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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
June 08 2011 18:18 GMT
#261
I genuinely hope the scheduling issue with Dreamhack can be fixed as nobody in my opinion would benefit from having these tournaments collide.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 08 2011 18:32 GMT
#262
On June 09 2011 03:15 Kreb wrote:
The "one round each day" setup seems rather annoying for players. Wouldnt it be better to split up the qualifying brackets in 4 parts? Play one part each day, which each gives 2/8 top8 players. After 4 days you have the 8 players ready for next season. And on the 5th day, play the final 8 for the final spot. All players would only have to commit to 1day each (depending on bracket part) plus the final day should they reach top 8.

Tbh i think that would be more interesting as a viewer too, all days would hold some really important games.



Are they streaming any of the open tournament? What's the plan in regards to coverage?

1024 players is a lot of games! To be honest I don't usually follow many online tournaments/qualifiers, and could live without watching StrifeCo smash DarkMatrixDestroyer1485 in round 1.




mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
June 08 2011 18:35 GMT
#263
So is this the only way players from season one who did not move on can get back in for season 2 ?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 19:29:42
June 08 2011 19:29 GMT
#264
On June 09 2011 03:32 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:15 Kreb wrote:
The "one round each day" setup seems rather annoying for players. Wouldnt it be better to split up the qualifying brackets in 4 parts? Play one part each day, which each gives 2/8 top8 players. After 4 days you have the 8 players ready for next season. And on the 5th day, play the final 8 for the final spot. All players would only have to commit to 1day each (depending on bracket part) plus the final day should they reach top 8.

Tbh i think that would be more interesting as a viewer too, all days would hold some really important games.



Are they streaming any of the open tournament? What's the plan in regards to coverage?

1024 players is a lot of games! To be honest I don't usually follow many online tournaments/qualifiers, and could live without watching StrifeCo smash DarkMatrixDestroyer1485 in round 1.





FULL SCHEDULE

Ro1,024 : Monday June 20th
Ro512 : Tuesday June 21st
Ro256 + Ro128 : Wednesday June 22nd
Ro64 + Ro32 : Thursday June 23rd
Ro16 : Friday June 24th
Ro8 + Ro4 : Saturday June 25th
Grand Final : Sunday June 26th

http://nasl.tv/p/Rules
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 08 2011 19:40 GMT
#265
On June 09 2011 04:29 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:32 Defacer wrote:
On June 09 2011 03:15 Kreb wrote:
The "one round each day" setup seems rather annoying for players. Wouldnt it be better to split up the qualifying brackets in 4 parts? Play one part each day, which each gives 2/8 top8 players. After 4 days you have the 8 players ready for next season. And on the 5th day, play the final 8 for the final spot. All players would only have to commit to 1day each (depending on bracket part) plus the final day should they reach top 8.

Tbh i think that would be more interesting as a viewer too, all days would hold some really important games.



Are they streaming any of the open tournament? What's the plan in regards to coverage?

1024 players is a lot of games! To be honest I don't usually follow many online tournaments/qualifiers, and could live without watching StrifeCo smash DarkMatrixDestroyer1485 in round 1.





FULL SCHEDULE

Ro1,024 : Monday June 20th
Ro512 : Tuesday June 21st
Ro256 + Ro128 : Wednesday June 22nd
Ro64 + Ro32 : Thursday June 23rd
Ro16 : Friday June 24th
Ro8 + Ro4 : Saturday June 25th
Grand Final : Sunday June 26th

http://nasl.tv/p/Rules


Thanks.

So everything past round of 64 has the potential to be cast by the NASL.

DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 08 2011 19:43 GMT
#266
Well atleast it is only 1-2 series a day. Shouldn't be too hard to fit that into the dreamhack schedule (or so I hope..)
425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
June 08 2011 19:44 GMT
#267
And it doesnt look like there will be more than 128 entrants anyways
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
June 08 2011 19:45 GMT
#268
On June 09 2011 03:35 mechavoc wrote:
So is this the only way players from season one who did not move on can get back in for season 2 ?


Players eliminated from S1 are not eligible for the "Open Tourney". But they can re-qualify for S2 in the "Next Season Qualifier". The "Next Season Qualifier" apparently will take place the week after the "Open Tourney".

Check the graphic out:
http://wireninja.com/starcraft2/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/nsl-starcraft-2-league.jpg
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 20:01:00
June 08 2011 20:00 GMT
#269
On June 08 2011 13:33 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 12:41 425kid wrote:
On June 08 2011 10:39 Defacer wrote:
On June 08 2011 05:07 avilo wrote:
lol @ $10 entry fee. Very few if any other online tournaments have had entry fees, with similar sometimes larger, sometimes smaller prize pools than this. I'd hate to see other tournaments start charging for entry into their "open tournaments."

At people saying they don't want to make money...uh...they do want the money out of your pocket, that's why they have the gaul to make it $10 entry.

Anyways...I think it's a pretty bad idea, especially with how people will be seeded or not seeded. They will handpick seeds, just like they handpicked the original first 50 nasl people...

How will seeding work exactly?


Avilo, I promise to sponsor 20% of your entry fee, or two whole dollars. All you have to do now is find four other strangers to give you two dollars and you're set.

As a primary sponsor, I expect some form of brand recognition. Preferably my name drawn with a black sharpie on a t-shirt you found in a dumpster behind the 7-11.



His issue isnt that he has to pay 10 dollars, its that nasl is arrogant enough to charge money for an online tournament, setting the standard that charging for tournaments is acceptable when in the past it hasnt been. If you offer to pay 20% of everyone that wants to play then you can start talking


You may consider an entry fee arrogant, but do you know what I think is naive?

Thinking that $10 is an outrageous fee, for a $100,000 tournament.

Just imagine for a moment the capital and operating expenses to run a single season of this tournament. The staff. The equipment. The studio space. Travel and accommodation. Administration. Event space. Food and entertainment. And of course, the prize pool, a huge and untouchable pot of money that represents a significant risk.

How much do you think someone like InControl or Gretorp deserves to be paid? What's their salary? Even if they were making only $2000/month -- or close to minimum wage -- the maximum amount that could be made of this online tournament wouldn't cover their salaries for 1 season.

You would have to run 20 open online qualifiers before you made a profit off of them. The fee obviously exists to deter 14-year-old Silver and Gold leaguers from wasting people's time, as well as offset some of their own expenses.

NASL is not unique in regards to entry fees. MLG has already set a worse precedent, where you can essential 'buy' points in their point system for $7 dollars. Now THAT is silly.

Once NASL starts charging a $100 entry fee, than we can start talking. But $10 is hardly a malicious or exploitative fee in the grand scheme of things.



I just wanted to say thank you for introducing some calm, rational truth into this thread. A $10 entry fee for a big tournament is cheap. Maybe even so cheap that someone like me (who's downright terrible) would consider entering for the sake of pot-monstering* and maybe seeing if I can take a round just to say I did.

*"pot-monstering" is when people who don't have a chance of winning enter a tournament anyway. It's actually a good thing -- adds to the scene, increases the money available to the tournament, and gives all the players more chance to establish the true level of their skill. It might become a bad thing if the pot-monsters were crowding out spots that could otherwise be taken by people with a much better chance of winning.

I hope NASL can successfully accommodate players who want to participate in Dreamhack as well.
Hondelul
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1999 Posts
June 08 2011 20:37 GMT
#270
Nothing to do with the topic itself but may I ask a question?

Almost 1/3 of the hits for registration are from TL (look at "References"). Is TL really the only big SC2 site? I knew gosugamers as I watched Dota replays, but this amount of hits from TL links is just stunning for me.
It is enough to spend (too) much time every day, but I´m curious if there are other big sites...
thanks for answers, and sorry to post off topic
Argolis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada211 Posts
June 08 2011 21:22 GMT
#271
52 participants so far! Crazyness
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 21:26:21
June 08 2011 21:26 GMT
#272
On June 09 2011 06:22 Argolis wrote:
52 participants so far! Crazyness


Link for reference: NASL Participants

Is it evil of me to hope that some Koreans enter the fray? Can you imagine if half the Slayers or IM teams threw their hats in the ring?

Siiiiiiigggggh.

r3clay
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands137 Posts
June 08 2011 21:27 GMT
#273
so they make 10.000 bucks for the open bracket thats 10% of their total prizebudget.. bout 1/20 of totat spendings..(if 1000 people sign up at least.. could be profitable this open bracket.;.
U Mad Bro?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 08 2011 21:40 GMT
#274
I'm working on getting Koreans to participate in the tournament! I've spoken to GSL representatives at MLG Columbus so I'm hoping for a good turnout !
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
VforVinDiesel
Profile Joined May 2010
United States41 Posts
June 08 2011 21:42 GMT
#275
Is it possible people from the group stages join the open tourney in case they don't make it top 2 of their group or through the 2nd chance bracket?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
June 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#276
On June 09 2011 06:40 Xeris wrote:
I'm working on getting Koreans to participate in the tournament! I've spoken to GSL representatives at MLG Columbus so I'm hoping for a good turnout !


Definitely looking forward to it!!! Currently, I am not watching NASL that frequently, because I think that there are some people in there that do not deserve to be there. But I really, really really like the whole tournament structure and after a couple of seasons where the bad players have been weeded out and better players take their place, this will more than likely become my second favorite regular tournament (behind the new GSTL, because team leagues are awesome, and before the regular GSL)!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 08 2011 21:51 GMT
#277
On June 09 2011 06:40 Xeris wrote:
I'm working on getting Koreans to participate in the tournament! I've spoken to GSL representatives at MLG Columbus so I'm hoping for a good turnout !


Nice! No disrespect to the other players, but a Code S player could probably take down that entire field right now.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 08 2011 21:51 GMT
#278
On June 06 2011 10:49 DoomsVille wrote:
They're making the same mistake IPL did. A qualifier system where they allow 8 players from a single qualifier isn't going to get you the best players.

Some players are going to luck their way in with easy bracket sections while others while get screwed with their section.

there is no perfect tournament system, plus these is variance in starcraft 2, so yeah it doesn't matter if the best 8 players from the tournament don't make it
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 08 2011 21:52 GMT
#279
On June 09 2011 06:49 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 06:40 Xeris wrote:
I'm working on getting Koreans to participate in the tournament! I've spoken to GSL representatives at MLG Columbus so I'm hoping for a good turnout !


Definitely looking forward to it!!! Currently, I am not watching NASL that frequently, because I think that there are some people in there that do not deserve to be there. But I really, really really like the whole tournament structure and after a couple of seasons where the bad players have been weeded out and better players take their place, this will more than likely become my second favorite regular tournament (behind the new GSTL, because team leagues are awesome, and before the regular GSL)!


Yeah, I totally agree. I really do think this tournament structure, over time, will reward the best and most consistent players.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 21:58:36
June 08 2011 21:58 GMT
#280
On June 09 2011 06:52 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 06:49 JustPassingBy wrote:
On June 09 2011 06:40 Xeris wrote:
I'm working on getting Koreans to participate in the tournament! I've spoken to GSL representatives at MLG Columbus so I'm hoping for a good turnout !


Definitely looking forward to it!!! Currently, I am not watching NASL that frequently, because I think that there are some people in there that do not deserve to be there. But I really, really really like the whole tournament structure and after a couple of seasons where the bad players have been weeded out and better players take their place, this will more than likely become my second favorite regular tournament (behind the new GSTL, because team leagues are awesome, and before the regular GSL)!


Yeah, I totally agree. I really do think this tournament structure, over time, will reward the best and most consistent players.

Dont think so. The qualifiers from this one tourney will be somewhat random, especially when its top 8 that qualify.
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