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woot coca! gogogo! nice play
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On May 30 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:20 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon  CoCa vs NaDa  Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim 8:30 Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings 10:00 Coca is finishing his lair and baneling nest while getting Zergling speed Nada getting siege tech 12:00
Spire and baneling speed finish as Nada gets his third base and pushes across the map 13:30 Nada is sieged up but Coca has a HUGE amount of banelings
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fourth for both players are being constructed
Coca is engaging with HUGE zegling baneling force
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Great plug timing Tasteless!
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On May 30 2011 20:25 Telcontar wrote:
What was that by NaDa?
I don't think it was that bad. He delayed the 4th by a long time, didn't reinforce so he hadn't committed and could defend, and took his third.
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Coca blew up lots of banelings on a tank there 
No idea why Nada stayed there so long..
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Nada needs Happy's micro in a situation like this
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120 zerglings in production!?
Edit: nvm, crappy stream.
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IMO that was smart from NaDa to stay there, because if he leaves CoCa would kill that force with more ease. This way Nada saw the forces of coca and killed a small portion of coca's forces. Meanwhile he macroed hard and expoing.
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Since when do players not have to be red/blue in GSL?
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On May 30 2011 20:23 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 30 2011 20:19 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 hmunkey wrote:On May 30 2011 20:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:09 hmunkey wrote:
A lot of people are blaming poor scouting and greediness for Junwi's loss, so would someone please enlighten me on how exactly he's supposed to scout that? There was a walloff (which he didn't even make it to because of the three marines at the 2nd ramp) and there were patrolling marines at the base perimeter. It's not like Junwi had scans or overlord speed that early.
And regarding the greediness: the only way to hold that off is to build several spines and cut drone production entirely. How is that even reasonable to do blind? Junwi had enough lings to kill the 3 marines denying scouting. Instead he attacked his rocks. He could've whacked those marines and seen no CC, then gone allout defence and win easily. He had 4 lings... And even that aside, the barracks were behind the wall so he wouldn't have seen them anyways. Yeah, not seeing a CC would cause him to bulk up his defense a bit, but there's no way he could possibly have known there was actually a CC further back or not and his reaction would be a total gamble. Could've sworn it was at least 6. Either way, he could've gotten into the nat and seen a CC. True, you can't see if they have an inbase CC. But if it's inbase they aren't going to zoom ahead of you economically or anything, so you can afford a bit more safety, some lings or spines or whatever. If you're wrong and they're doing an inbase CC you lose...300 minerals and 2 drones MAX, 150/1 if you like cutting corners. That's worth the safety, and will not kill you if you're wrong. If you make 8 or so lings early on "just in case" youre going to be behind economically. This idea that Zerg is behind if they ever make anything but drones is hilarious.
What you talkin about bro 100 drones is standard play.
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On May 30 2011 20:18 Rampoon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:15 jinixxx123 wrote:
to be honest, game 2 and game 3 of virus and junwi are prime examples of why ZvT is not quite balanced yet. Both abused imbas.
Terran cant beat zerg late game......... and zergs cant scout terran allins properly early game, thats just the fact and its a game flaw. I don't think that these games are a very good example of this, even if there's truth to it. T played every engagement really sloppy, i had my face in my hands nearly the whole time. Re the second, maybe but there are things he could have done possibly - zergling at ramp to at least see whats coming out etc
It's more that the margin for error is very different depending on where in the game you are.
Early game, if zerg messes up once to early pressure (either micro or scouting) he can die to properly executed pressure/harass.
Late game, if terran mis-controls his army, he can lose to game to fungal/baneling. Zerg can generally retreat his army, whereas terran generally cannot retreat, and can lose 30+ marines in a heartbeat.
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On May 30 2011 20:25 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:20 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:[quote] Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim 8:30 Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings 10:00 Coca is finishing his lair and baneling nest while getting Zergling speed Nada getting siege tech 12:00
Spire and baneling speed finish as Nada gets his third base and pushes across the map 13:30 Nada is sieged up but Coca has a HUGE amount of banelings 14:30 fourth for both players are being constructed Coca is engaging with HUGE zegling baneling force
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Coca engage the siege tank line but loses most of his forces
Now double expanding from coca along with a infestation pit
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On May 30 2011 20:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:19 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 hmunkey wrote:On May 30 2011 20:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:09 hmunkey wrote:
A lot of people are blaming poor scouting and greediness for Junwi's loss, so would someone please enlighten me on how exactly he's supposed to scout that? There was a walloff (which he didn't even make it to because of the three marines at the 2nd ramp) and there were patrolling marines at the base perimeter. It's not like Junwi had scans or overlord speed that early.
And regarding the greediness: the only way to hold that off is to build several spines and cut drone production entirely. How is that even reasonable to do blind? Junwi had enough lings to kill the 3 marines denying scouting. Instead he attacked his rocks. He could've whacked those marines and seen no CC, then gone allout defence and win easily. He had 4 lings... And even that aside, the barracks were behind the wall so he wouldn't have seen them anyways. Yeah, not seeing a CC would cause him to bulk up his defense a bit, but there's no way he could possibly have known there was actually a CC further back or not and his reaction would be a total gamble. Could've sworn it was at least 6. Either way, he could've gotten into the nat and seen a CC. True, you can't see if they have an inbase CC. But if it's inbase they aren't going to zoom ahead of you economically or anything, so you can afford a bit more safety, some lings or spines or whatever. If you're wrong and they're doing an inbase CC you lose...300 minerals and 2 drones MAX, 150/1 if you like cutting corners. That's worth the safety, and will not kill you if you're wrong. If you make 8 or so lings early on "just in case" youre going to be behind economically.
He made six lings, to be safe. But instead of scouting with them he sent five to kill the rocks on his 3rd and one to scout. 3 marines just barely blocked that one ling from seeing that there was no expansion.
Junwi had the option of commiting more to making sure he was safe to drone up, he didn't and died. It's not fun to watch or play against but it isn't really unfair either.
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Wow Coca just threw away his advantage?
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Arghghgh Coca it was going so well...then that attack >_________<
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Nada crushing face with great tank/marine micro and macro.. 
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Nada is so good...DAMN! =))) <3
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wow why dont more terrans spread their tanks out that well?
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