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Zerg doing spanishiwa build.
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On May 30 2011 20:16 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:09 hmunkey wrote:
A lot of people are blaming poor scouting and greediness for Junwi's loss, so would someone please enlighten me on how exactly he's supposed to scout that? There was a walloff (which he didn't even make it to because of the three marines at the 2nd ramp) and there were patrolling marines at the base perimeter. It's not like Junwi had scans or overlord speed that early.
And regarding the greediness: the only way to hold that off is to build several spines and cut drone production entirely. How is that even reasonable to do blind? Junwi had enough lings to kill the 3 marines denying scouting. Instead he attacked his rocks. He could've whacked those marines and seen no CC, then gone allout defence and win easily. He had 4 lings... And even that aside, the barracks were behind the wall so he wouldn't have seen them anyways. Yeah, not seeing a CC would cause him to bulk up his defense a bit, but there's no way he could possibly have known there was actually a CC further back or not and his reaction would be a total gamble.
Could've sworn it was at least 6. Either way, he could've gotten into the nat and seen a CC.
True, you can't see if they have an inbase CC. But if it's inbase they aren't going to zoom ahead of you economically or anything, so you can afford a bit more safety, some lings or spines or whatever. If you're wrong and they're doing an inbase CC you lose...300 minerals and 2 drones MAX, 150/1 if you like cutting corners. That's worth the safety, and will not kill you if you're wrong.
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On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon  CoCa vs NaDa  Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces
7:00
Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers
Nada about to attack as he starts stim
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wow that push by NaDa was so smart!
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United Kingdom38149 Posts
Coca is really good, I'm glad he's continuing to display some pretty awesome play.
Nice little timing attempt from Nada too, this looks like it could be a good series!
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On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon CoCa vs NaDa Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim
8:30
Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings
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On May 30 2011 20:19 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:16 hmunkey wrote:On May 30 2011 20:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:09 hmunkey wrote:
A lot of people are blaming poor scouting and greediness for Junwi's loss, so would someone please enlighten me on how exactly he's supposed to scout that? There was a walloff (which he didn't even make it to because of the three marines at the 2nd ramp) and there were patrolling marines at the base perimeter. It's not like Junwi had scans or overlord speed that early.
And regarding the greediness: the only way to hold that off is to build several spines and cut drone production entirely. How is that even reasonable to do blind? Junwi had enough lings to kill the 3 marines denying scouting. Instead he attacked his rocks. He could've whacked those marines and seen no CC, then gone allout defence and win easily. He had 4 lings... And even that aside, the barracks were behind the wall so he wouldn't have seen them anyways. Yeah, not seeing a CC would cause him to bulk up his defense a bit, but there's no way he could possibly have known there was actually a CC further back or not and his reaction would be a total gamble. Could've sworn it was at least 6. Either way, he could've gotten into the nat and seen a CC. True, you can't see if they have an inbase CC. But if it's inbase they aren't going to zoom ahead of you economically or anything, so you can afford a bit more safety, some lings or spines or whatever. If you're wrong and they're doing an inbase CC you lose...300 minerals and 2 drones MAX, 150/1 if you like cutting corners. That's worth the safety, and will not kill you if you're wrong.
If you make 8 or so lings early on "just in case" youre going to be behind economically.
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If nada loses...I might have to go to the hospital
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On May 30 2011 20:20 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon CoCa vs NaDa Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim 8:30 Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings
10:00
Coca is finishing his lair and baneling nest while getting Zergling speed
Nada getting siege tech
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i like this timing, just before muta can harras him
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Cancer jokes are fucking hilarious.
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SOOOOOOO-HO-HO-HO-HO many banelings! - Artosis
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On May 30 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:20 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon CoCa vs NaDa Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim 8:30 Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings 10:00 Coca is finishing his lair and baneling nest while getting Zergling speed Nada getting siege tech
12:00
Spire and baneling speed finish as Nada gets his third base and pushes across the map
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On May 30 2011 20:22 L3g3nd_ wrote:
i like this timing, just before muta can harras him
lol what don't you like about nada :X?
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On May 30 2011 20:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:19 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 hmunkey wrote:On May 30 2011 20:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 30 2011 20:09 hmunkey wrote:
A lot of people are blaming poor scouting and greediness for Junwi's loss, so would someone please enlighten me on how exactly he's supposed to scout that? There was a walloff (which he didn't even make it to because of the three marines at the 2nd ramp) and there were patrolling marines at the base perimeter. It's not like Junwi had scans or overlord speed that early.
And regarding the greediness: the only way to hold that off is to build several spines and cut drone production entirely. How is that even reasonable to do blind? Junwi had enough lings to kill the 3 marines denying scouting. Instead he attacked his rocks. He could've whacked those marines and seen no CC, then gone allout defence and win easily. He had 4 lings... And even that aside, the barracks were behind the wall so he wouldn't have seen them anyways. Yeah, not seeing a CC would cause him to bulk up his defense a bit, but there's no way he could possibly have known there was actually a CC further back or not and his reaction would be a total gamble. Could've sworn it was at least 6. Either way, he could've gotten into the nat and seen a CC. True, you can't see if they have an inbase CC. But if it's inbase they aren't going to zoom ahead of you economically or anything, so you can afford a bit more safety, some lings or spines or whatever. If you're wrong and they're doing an inbase CC you lose...300 minerals and 2 drones MAX, 150/1 if you like cutting corners. That's worth the safety, and will not kill you if you're wrong. If you make 8 or so lings early on "just in case" youre going to be behind economically.
This idea that Zerg is behind if they ever make anything but drones is hilarious.
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Come on Nada, please don't lose.
If he does, either Coca, Kyrix, Virus or Line will be in the Ro8.
Edit: Just realized how well ZeNex is doing today.
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On May 30 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:20 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:19 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:18 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:17 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:16 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:15 Drazerk wrote:On May 30 2011 20:08 Drazerk wrote:Fourth And Final Match will be starting soon CoCa vs NaDa Game one will be played on Terminus RE Game One is now Starting At the 3 o clock position is Coca While at the 9 is none other than NaDa 2:20 Hatchery first for Coca 4:00 Nada produces constant marines forcing ling and spine production from Coca 5:00 Command center is now on the way for Nada retreating his marine forces 7:00 Third base is going down for Coca while getting spine crawlers Nada about to attack as he starts stim 8:30 Bio weapons +1 is now starting as nada's push is cleaned up with Coca losing some spines and a lot of zerlings 10:00 Coca is finishing his lair and baneling nest while getting Zergling speed Nada getting siege tech 12:00
Spire and baneling speed finish as Nada gets his third base and pushes across the map
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Nada is sieged up but Coca has a HUGE amount of banelings
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He really wanted to kill those 6 marines huh
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is that 75 droines? holy shit if so gg
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On May 30 2011 20:22 Goibon wrote:
Cancer jokes are fucking hilarious.
the word tumor isnt a synonym to cancer you know
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