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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2201
On December 08 2011 17:08 ceaRshaf wrote:
Hey guys, just tuned in and I have some questions:

On how many days does this tournament stretch?
Is the Offstage stream the only sc2 stream?
Are more sc2 games today?


Thx!


4
The only consistent one
Yes
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
December 08 2011 08:09 GMT
#2202
Interview with moon about the future.


I am not young enough to know everything.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 08 2011 08:09 GMT
#2203
idra fans: omg he lost must be cheez

sen fans: we are sad v.v
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
cvt
Profile Joined November 2011
United States192 Posts
December 08 2011 08:09 GMT
#2204
On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack

Again:

This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format.


Lol.. wait, there's people who actually think bo1 group stage is good? I can't believe its even a discussion.
Namenlos
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany96 Posts
December 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#2205
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#2206
On December 08 2011 17:08 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 17:08 ceaRshaf wrote:
Hey guys, just tuned in and I have some questions:

On how many days does this tournament stretch?
Is the Offstage stream the only sc2 stream?
Are more sc2 games today?


Thx!


4
The only consistent one
Yes


Thanks a lot.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#2207
On December 08 2011 17:07 windsupernova wrote:
Obviously we need groups with BO9s

If idra loses? Well we can always say he was tired due to playing so many games XD



Better yet, it could be a BoN, where N >= 3, N <= B, and B is the minimum minimun number of games needed where Idra can show his full potential.. that way we could save several pages of constant testosterone-induced bickering and whining.
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
December 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#2208
Will Tatosis cast Proleague or will it be just Korean?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#2209
On December 08 2011 17:09 cvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack

Again:

This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format.


Lol.. wait, there's people who actually think bo1 group stage is good? I can't believe its even a discussion.


Probably because you aren't used to it or know the history of it within WCG. ._.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#2210
If Tastetosis cast Proleague, orgasms galore
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
December 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#2211
On December 08 2011 17:10 Namenlos wrote:
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ.

Winner of elfi vs F91 advances in 2nd place. Socke is out.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
December 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#2212
On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here?



bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win

to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it

not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well)


You make is sound as if BoX formats are vastly superior to Bo1. They aren't.

Also, stop trying to connect Bo1 and cheese somehow. Just makes your argument that much less convincing.

Idra has said that he doesn't have a good handle on ZvZ. Have you considered that?
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
December 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#2213
On December 08 2011 17:10 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 17:07 windsupernova wrote:
Obviously we need groups with BO9s

If idra loses? Well we can always say he was tired due to playing so many games XD



Better yet, it could be a BoN, where N >= 3, N <= B, and B is the minimum minimun number of games needed where Idra can show his full potential.. that way we could save several pages of constant testosterone-induced bickering and whining.

thats a funny one.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
December 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#2214
On December 08 2011 17:11 Zzoram wrote:
If Tastetosis cast Proleague, orgasms galore


This

CJ 3-1 KHAN
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 08:13:47
December 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#2215
well, if the best player is supposed to win every time we should just give the tournament to MVP without even bother to play. What's the point? We all know he's the best player.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#2216
On December 08 2011 17:11 Zzoram wrote:
If Tastetosis cast Proleague, orgasms galore



It will be funny watching them cast it if they do.

Tasteless seems to be following it a little, but I don't know about Artosis.

Still would be fun!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#2217
Level 6 Warden for Moon..
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore848 Posts
December 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#2218
glade 5-1. takes #1 seed in his group
sc2sea.com - The SEA / ANZ community
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#2219
On December 08 2011 17:13 aLt)nirvana wrote:
glade 5-1. takes #1 seed in his group


Yup, nice play!
Lamphead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada241 Posts
December 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#2220
wow these groups are crazy..there are THREE GROUPS WITHOUT TERRAN IN THEM
We didn't lose the game. We just ran out of time. - Vince Lombardi
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