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CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
December 08 2011 07:59 GMT
#2161
On December 08 2011 16:58 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA.

You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right?
=> EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG.


WCG Usa didnt sent people
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 08 2011 07:59 GMT
#2162
Idra fanboys really go to the extreme to make excuses for bad performances.. again Killer isn't a scrub, stop the whining.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
December 08 2011 07:59 GMT
#2163
HAHA long time no see Tower Rush (after saw many Bunker Rush)
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2164
On December 08 2011 16:58 Lavi wrote:
haha people really saying mvp getting unfair edge with being terran in bo1's... as if he hasn't already proved himself the most consistent sc2 player through a variety of tourney formats


Yeah i agree. Its ridiculous to say that. To MVP
Bo1, Bo3, Bo5, Bo7 no probemo. Just give him his monies.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2165
Oh no Sen :O
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2166
geez sen, losing that overlord is so noob :p
byah!
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2167
On December 08 2011 16:58 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA.

You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right?
=> EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG.


He didn't win a qualifier. EG footed the bill for him and HuK to be sent over.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1837 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2168
On December 08 2011 16:58 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA.

You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right?
=> EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG.


Didn't WCG in the United States not pay this year for some reason? There was a lot of drama about it but I don't really remember
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2169
On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here?



bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win

to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it

not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well)


But in that case one would have to at least question the competence of that group :\

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#2170
On December 08 2011 16:59 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:58 iNfeRnaL wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA.

You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right?
=> EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG.


WCG Usa didnt sent people

nevermind what I said then.
but he's going to stay at slayers house anyway, isn't he? they partnered with eg and such...
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#2171
On December 08 2011 16:57 poorcloud wrote:

This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something.
Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before.



Sure, and i'm not saying idra would win if it weren't bo1 group stage but honestly seeing the others knocked out and players who actually did get through is leaving me scratching my head, either my perception of who is "good" and "bad" at starcraft2 is totally wrong or the format is wonky and not doing the job of letting "the best man" win.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
December 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#2172
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA.


Idra is in Korea anyways, so I don't think it cost EG that much money...!

On another note, why does the SC2 off stage have an obsever, but no commentator...?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#2173
Belgium > USA
Mwahahahahaha!!

Orly? Orly!
I had a good night of sleep.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#2174
On December 08 2011 16:59 s4life wrote:
Idra fanboys really go to the extreme to make excuses for bad performances.. again Killer isn't a scrub, stop the whining.


It used to be not so annoying when you knew who it would be coming from, ideally Media boys and then expanded and again and again.

It's white noise to me now.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
December 08 2011 08:02 GMT
#2175
Really fun series so far between Mon and Sky ;o
#freeshauni
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 08 2011 08:02 GMT
#2176
The logic that Bo1 is bad because you can just cheese is absurd, because it's also possible to cheese 2 games in a Bo3, or 3 games in 5, and so on.

"Yeah but in Bo3 you can be prepared for cheese after the first cheese" you say? Well, then why not be prepared for cheese in each Bo1? It's the same thing. There are 7 people in a group, which means every player plays 6 games. 6 games is a large enough sample to pick out the people playing their best.

And if you lose to cheese you aren't playing your best.
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
December 08 2011 08:02 GMT
#2177
On December 08 2011 16:57 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:53 darkscream wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:47 Zzoram wrote:
Idra lost to Killer and Orly? Seriously?


this is why group stage bo1 is a stupid format


anyone can lose to anyone, a bunch of bo1's is a horrible way to decide "who is better" at the game given the amount of volatility in the game

they may as well flip coins to determine the group scores


I disagree. The volatility in Bo1s are negated by the fact that players have to play 6 games in a group and if they screw up 1 game due to cheese, still have 5 other games to show their skills.

This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something.
Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before.


Why cant they make it Groups of 4 or 5 with Bo3?Isn't that standard for group play?IEM,Dreamhack,MLG,GSL do this .
Why not WCG?
Play your best
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
December 08 2011 08:03 GMT
#2178
I hope the rest of this Socke vs Sen game is better. Sen lost his first Overlord to a Cannon, Socke just got hugely supply-blocked...
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
December 08 2011 08:03 GMT
#2179
On December 08 2011 16:59 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)

I dont get why ppl keep complaining about format that has been used for years w/o problems


Doesn't mean I don't have to like the format. The fact that if you win your division in the NFL guarantees you a playoff spot and it's been used for years.. doesn't mean I have to agree with it
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2180
On December 08 2011 17:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 poorcloud wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 darkscream wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:47 Zzoram wrote:
Idra lost to Killer and Orly? Seriously?


this is why group stage bo1 is a stupid format


anyone can lose to anyone, a bunch of bo1's is a horrible way to decide "who is better" at the game given the amount of volatility in the game

they may as well flip coins to determine the group scores


I disagree. The volatility in Bo1s are negated by the fact that players have to play 6 games in a group and if they screw up 1 game due to cheese, still have 5 other games to show their skills.

This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something.
Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before.


Why cant they make it Groups of 4 or 5 with Bo3?Isn't that standard for group play?IEM,Dreamhack,MLG,GSL do this .
Why not WCG?

WCG has a ton of players, and SC2 isn't the only game going on you know.
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