EPTWCG 2011 Grand Finals - Page 108
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:53 EZSkull wrote: I, personally, am not making up excuses for Idra.. I just don't like Bo1s in general, don't matter the player. I would be saying the same thing if Killer was 3-3 or whatever instead of 5-1. They're different formats, but you can argue that the best player still won out in the end to make it out of the group. When you have group formats with bo3s someone can have better overall game results, but still not make it out because someone else ended up winning more bo3s overall. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7967 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:56 bgx wrote: i was hoping for f91 vs idra ^^ LOL | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:56 bgx wrote: i was hoping for f91 vs idra ^^ how? don't think that's possible | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote: Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here? bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well) | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:53 darkscream wrote: this is why group stage bo1 is a stupid format anyone can lose to anyone, a bunch of bo1's is a horrible way to decide "who is better" at the game given the amount of volatility in the game they may as well flip coins to determine the group scores I disagree. The volatility in Bo1s are negated by the fact that players have to play 6 games in a group and if they screw up 1 game due to cheese, still have 5 other games to show their skills. This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something. Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote: You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Again: This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote: IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA. You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right? => EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:57 FakeDeath wrote: ZVZ is volatile and Idra chances were 50/50. ZvZ is not volatile. If it was volatile, then the best players should have a 50% win rate in it. Why don't we see that? | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Again: This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format. IdrA fans are extremely loyal. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:58 iNfeRnaL wrote: You do realize that by winning your national WCG, you get a ticket to Korea and back by WCG as part of your prize, right? => EG did not pay a cent for him going to WCG. I don't think this was the case for WCG USA | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote: I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) I dont get why ppl keep complaining about format that has been used for years w/o problems | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:57 Azarkon wrote: IdrA was disappointing, especially given that EG probably paid quite a bit of money to send him there. But his group was stronger than people give it credit for, especially against the style IdrA loves to play. I mean, people like Capoch are PvZ wild cards, and it's been a while since ZvZ was an auto-win for IdrA. Not a big lose for EG considering IdrA will be practicing at the SlayerS house. -.-;; This format is fine. A lot of you guys are new to it. This format is tried tested and proven just like the rest. The rightful players win. Like we saw in BW. Korean domination. | ||
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