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On December 08 2011 17:02 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:57 poorcloud wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 darkscream wrote:On December 08 2011 16:47 Zzoram wrote: Idra lost to Killer and Orly? Seriously? this is why group stage bo1 is a stupid format anyone can lose to anyone, a bunch of bo1's is a horrible way to decide "who is better" at the game given the amount of volatility in the game they may as well flip coins to determine the group scores I disagree. The volatility in Bo1s are negated by the fact that players have to play 6 games in a group and if they screw up 1 game due to cheese, still have 5 other games to show their skills. This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something. Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before. Why cant they make it Groups of 4 or 5 with Bo3?Isn't that standard for group play?IEM,Dreamhack,MLG,GSL do this . Why not WCG?
You guys are too used to lengthy marathon formats. -_-
Not every tournament follows the same bill.
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On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote: I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack
Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo.
On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.
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So, considering the upsets today, any chance of anyone upsetting against Mvp at this point?
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On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote: Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here? bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of itnot all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well)
You are exaggerating like crazy.
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Man, I love W3. Wish we had more events T_T
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On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote: I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo. On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.
I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible
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Socke has this game in the bag, Sen is out as well
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oh man. gg sen
didn't advance =[
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Really liking the no caster stream. Wish this were an option at more tournaments.
Nice timing by Socke, hitting 15 seconds before Sen's spinecrawlers finish.
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On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote: I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo. On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen. I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible
Don't worry. PL is next! :D
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On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:
I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible
LoL is horrible no matter what LOL
badumtssss
I am sad Sen is out 
He didn't play his best so he's out, just like idra :p
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Obviously we need groups with BO9s
If idra loses? Well we can always say he was tired due to playing so many games XD
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On December 08 2011 17:06 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote: I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo. On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen. I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible Don't worry. PL is next! :D
... oh come on lol, I like LoL, just the stream looks horrible lol(that is way too many LoLs in this post)
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Sad for Sen and IdrA, but perhaps that's what happens when you travel too much and doesn't prepare enough.
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Hey guys, just tuned in and I have some questions:
On how many days does this tournament stretch? Is the Offstage stream the only sc2 stream? Are more sc2 games today?
Thx!
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On December 08 2011 16:56 bgx wrote: i was hoping for f91 vs idra ^^ someone knows his history :D
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k sen lost to socke im a bit sad right now...
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On December 08 2011 17:04 Packawana wrote:So, considering the upsets today, any chance of anyone upsetting against Mvp at this point? 
Not for the groups. He could lose to someone in his group, but he should still make it through assuming liquipedia is accurate.
On December 08 2011 17:08 claash wrote: k sen lost to socke im a bit sad right now...
Socke is the man! He has great PvZ and I'm glad he won. He might be able to make it out of groups now.
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