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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2181
On December 08 2011 17:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:57 poorcloud wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 darkscream wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:47 Zzoram wrote:
Idra lost to Killer and Orly? Seriously?


this is why group stage bo1 is a stupid format


anyone can lose to anyone, a bunch of bo1's is a horrible way to decide "who is better" at the game given the amount of volatility in the game

they may as well flip coins to determine the group scores


I disagree. The volatility in Bo1s are negated by the fact that players have to play 6 games in a group and if they screw up 1 game due to cheese, still have 5 other games to show their skills.

This has been the system all along and while all of us may prefer Bo3s, WCG can't have their finals GSL style and play it over 2 weeks or something.
Personally, i think the results do show that the best players have advanced. Idra is wildly inconsistent and he has lost Bo3s, Bo5s to perceived "inferior" players before.


Why cant they make it Groups of 4 or 5 with Bo3?Isn't that standard for group play?IEM,Dreamhack,MLG,GSL do this .
Why not WCG?



You guys are too used to lengthy marathon formats. -_-

Not every tournament follows the same bill.
willonic
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium5 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2182
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack


Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo.

On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.
I really feel alright
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2183
So, considering the upsets today, any chance of anyone upsetting against Mvp at this point?
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2184
On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:
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On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here?



bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win

to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it

not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well)


You are exaggerating like crazy.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#2185
Man, I love W3. Wish we had more events T_T
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
December 08 2011 08:05 GMT
#2186
On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack


Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo.

On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.



I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 08 2011 08:05 GMT
#2187
Socke has this game in the bag, Sen is out as well
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 08 2011 08:06 GMT
#2188
oh man. gg sen

didn't advance =[
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
December 08 2011 08:06 GMT
#2189
Really liking the no caster stream. Wish this were an option at more tournaments.

Nice timing by Socke, hitting 15 seconds before Sen's spinecrawlers finish.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:06 GMT
#2190
On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack


Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo.

On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.



I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible


Don't worry. PL is next! :D
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2011 08:07 GMT
#2191
Socke beats Sen
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 08:07 GMT
#2192
Sen GGs

Yup he's out.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 08 2011 08:07 GMT
#2193
On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:


I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible


LoL is horrible no matter what LOL

badumtssss

I am sad Sen is out

He didn't play his best so he's out, just like idra :p
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 08 2011 08:07 GMT
#2194
Obviously we need groups with BO9s

If idra loses? Well we can always say he was tired due to playing so many games XD

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2195
On December 08 2011 17:06 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 17:05 EZSkull wrote:
On December 08 2011 17:04 willonic wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:
On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players)


No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2.


Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you.

like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups?

this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group


You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better.

both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack


Now I know Orly. I've met him, I've seen him, watch him play. And I know for a fact, that he's not a cheeser. He wouldn't do such a thing. On the other hand, that's the reason why he might cheese. As you already said, he got completely destroyed in Dreamhack. Poor fella, but a couple MLG's ago, he got 26th place. That's pretty good imo.

On the topic of the stream. Do you guys also have 360p and a 4:3 ratio screen? Goddamnit the quality is aweful. =/ I watched the game between Jack and Sen and couldn't even fullscreen.



I'm watching the current LoL game and it's horrible


Don't worry. PL is next! :D


... oh come on lol, I like LoL, just the stream looks horrible lol(that is way too many LoLs in this post)
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 08:08:24
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2196
Sad for Sen and IdrA, but perhaps that's what happens when you travel too much and doesn't prepare enough.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2197
Hey guys, just tuned in and I have some questions:

On how many days does this tournament stretch?
Is the Offstage stream the only sc2 stream?
Are more sc2 games today?


Thx!
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2198
On December 08 2011 16:56 bgx wrote:
i was hoping for f91 vs idra ^^

someone knows his history :D
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2199
k sen lost to socke im a bit sad right now...
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 08:09:06
December 08 2011 08:08 GMT
#2200
On December 08 2011 17:04 Packawana wrote:
So, considering the upsets today, any chance of anyone upsetting against Mvp at this point?


Not for the groups. He could lose to someone in his group, but he should still make it through assuming liquipedia is accurate.


On December 08 2011 17:08 claash wrote:
k sen lost to socke im a bit sad right now...


Socke is the man! He has great PvZ and I'm glad he won. He might be able to make it out of groups now.
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