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On December 08 2011 17:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:10 Namenlos wrote:
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ. Winner of elfi vs F91 advances in 2nd place. Socke is out.
Not if Moonglade loses against Jack.
Edit: Moonglade just won, lol :v
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sssso
mvp 6-0, xigua 6-0, titan 5-1, dKiller 5-1
like results by far!
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On December 08 2011 17:11 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here? bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well) You make is sound as if BoX formats are vastly superior to Bo1. They aren't. Also, stop trying to connect Bo1 and cheese somehow. Just makes your argument that much less convincing. Idra has said that he doesn't have a good handle on ZvZ. Have you considered that?
Bo3 is better than Bo1.Plus, maps play a huge role especially in Bo1s plus Bo1s does not actually speak which player are better in general due to the volatility of the matchup ESPECIALLY ZVZ in Bo1s.
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btw not in liquipedia > bigs beat f91 in a base trade with clever burrowed infestors after losing his army.
the empire team have to play tie breakers as well to decide who qualifies from group B behind xigua, so ironic!
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Idra loses almost every BoX that he loses the first game of anyways.
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On December 08 2011 17:09 cvt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Again: This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format. Lol.. wait, there's people who actually think bo1 group stage is good? I can't believe its even a discussion.
You don't think the number of players in the groups have any significance to this?
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On December 08 2011 17:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:09 cvt wrote:On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Again: This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format. Lol.. wait, there's people who actually think bo1 group stage is good? I can't believe its even a discussion. Probably because you aren't used to it or know the history of it within WCG. ._.
Neither of those things make it not awful.
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On December 08 2011 17:09 cvt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 16:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 08 2011 16:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 08 2011 16:53 bgx wrote:On December 08 2011 16:50 FakeDeath wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On December 08 2011 16:45 EZSkull wrote:
I don't get why something like WCG would use a Bo1 format. I mean, I sort of get it, but it just feels like, hey if you can just take one game off a top level guy, you could advance. It just screams "I got lucky, but I advanced"(with all due respect to all the players) No, because you still have to be top 2 in your group. You need more than one lucky game to get top 2. Best of 1 format is just bad. Playing against different player you can cheese or whatever and take games off player that are better than you. like what happened to MVP, xigua, titan and others who apparently sweeped through groups? this format was used long time and its good dont make it sound like 6 poolers got lucky and won wcg group You don't have to be lucky, you just have to get lucky in the one or two matches where your opponent is better. both killer and orly are 0-4 against idra, and I guarantee they would not win a bo5 series, and had a good cheese ready to snipe him out. Orly got utterly destroyed at Dreamhack Again: This isn't just best of 1 it's Bo1 in a group stage with 7 people. Of course you can say things such as you aren't used to your opponent as much so you get cheesed easier, but this is actually not argument related to bad format just lack of allround skill from Idra if you think he is more likely to lose in this format. You could for example argue that the format is bad for Idra because he is not good at playing a different player each time. This does not make it a bad format, it makes it a bad format for Idra. Other players will consistently be better in this format. Lol.. wait, there's people who actually think bo1 group stage is good? I can't believe its even a discussion.
BO1 against multiple players is better than BO3 and actually rewards players who play super safe and cautious.
BO3 is the most volatile format and the format that rewards risk taking the most. Winning a quick game with a coinflip build gives you a huge advantage in the series (or brings you back from a huge deficit), but losing it doesn't automatically eliminate you from the series.
Longer series than BO3 are obviously a lot better, but unrealistic for group stages due to the number of games required.
BO1s in group stages are actually standard anyway, that's how it was always done.
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On December 08 2011 17:15 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:11 NHY wrote:On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here? bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well) You make is sound as if BoX formats are vastly superior to Bo1. They aren't. Also, stop trying to connect Bo1 and cheese somehow. Just makes your argument that much less convincing. Idra has said that he doesn't have a good handle on ZvZ. Have you considered that? Bo3 is better than Bo1.Plus, maps play a huge role especially in Bo1s plus Bo1s does not actually speak which player are better in general due to the volatility of the matchup ESPECIALLY ZVZ in Bo1s.
Idra's zvz has been plain bad for a while. Has nothing to do with the volatility of ZvZ that he ended up dropping 2 games here today.
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On December 08 2011 17:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:10 Namenlos wrote:
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ. Winner of elfi vs F91 advances in 2nd place. Socke is out.
Moonglade still has to play against JacK according to Liquipedia. If he loses, he is 4-2 aswell with a loss vs Socke and a win vs Elfi/F91.
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On December 08 2011 17:16 Zzoram wrote:
Idra loses almost every BoX that he loses the first game of anyways.
ha ha ha ha!
Verrrry nice.
For the guy still trying to preach bo3's over bo1's.
2 letters for you.
B W
Throughout the history of the WCG, the right guys always came through.
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On December 08 2011 17:11 NHY wrote:
You make is sound as if BoX formats are vastly superior to Bo1. They aren't.
Also, stop trying to connect Bo1 and cheese somehow. Just makes your argument that much less convincing.
Idra has said that he doesn't have a good handle on ZvZ. Have you considered that?
its not about idra, look at who has won and lost on liquipedia, lets just say they aren't results most would have expected.
There was a SOTG episode where LiquidTyler explained it far better than I ever will. BoX are vastly superior to Bo1 at determining who is "better", which is what tournaments are about. its simple statistics -- the sample size of 1 game is too small especially in a game that is super volatile (I use cheese as an example of this volatility). The fact that many of the players are total unknowns adds even more variability.
I realize its the way WCG has been done forever but as a first-time spectator its pretty disappointing, and I probably won't watch again in years following because I feel like drawing names from a hat would be an equally effective way of determining the groups.
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On December 08 2011 17:17 SnapCall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 08 2011 17:10 Namenlos wrote:
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ. Winner of elfi vs F91 advances in 2nd place. Socke is out. Moonglade still has to play against JacK according to Liquipedia. If he loses, he is 4-2 aswell with a loss vs Socke and a win vs Elfi/F91.
Nope. 
GLaDe is 1st place.
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On December 08 2011 17:16 Zzoram wrote:
Idra loses almost every BoX that he loses the first game of anyways.
Rational and logical thinking won't get you anywhere with these crowd... what they really are saying is : "Bo1 sux coz Idra lost and I want my mommy".
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On December 08 2011 17:18 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:16 Zzoram wrote:
Idra loses almost every BoX that he loses the first game of anyways. ha ha ha ha! Verrrry nice. For the guy still trying to preach bo3's over bo1's. 2 letters for you. B W Throughout the history of the WCG, the right guys always came through.
Wow man you have 9000 posts and you know all about wcg history and brood war history. holy fuck, congrats.
Good argument for why bo1 is better than bo3 .
User was warned for this post
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Proleaaaaaague. I want to see the crowd at this event.
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On December 08 2011 17:15 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:11 NHY wrote:On December 08 2011 16:57 darkscream wrote:On December 08 2011 16:54 eleaf wrote:
Wait... So you guys are implying Idra lose because of the stupid BO1, am I getting the correct information here? bo1 gives the best chance for an inferior player to surprise a better one and walk away with the win to phrase it better, actionjezuz(as an example, hes not there) could 6pool his group, win every time, and get to the final bracket because of it not all idra games were shown so who knows why he lost, but the fact is bo1 format virtually guarantees there will be no consistency in the skill of the players who make it through (other than perhaps being able to hold cheese well) You make is sound as if BoX formats are vastly superior to Bo1. They aren't. Also, stop trying to connect Bo1 and cheese somehow. Just makes your argument that much less convincing. Idra has said that he doesn't have a good handle on ZvZ. Have you considered that? Bo3 is better than Bo1.Plus, maps play a huge role especially in Bo1s plus Bo1s does not actually speak which player are better in general due to the volatility of the matchup ESPECIALLY ZVZ in Bo1s.
We all know that Bo1<Bo3<Bo5<..., thank you.
No one is saying that Capoch is the better player because he beat Idra in Bo1.
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On December 08 2011 17:19 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 17:17 SnapCall wrote:On December 08 2011 17:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 08 2011 17:10 Namenlos wrote:
Is there a possibility for a 3 way tie in group 1 F91 Socke and elfi if elfi beats F91? In the Liquipedia page the Moonglade is placed 1ˢᵗ and F91 2ⁿᵈ. Winner of elfi vs F91 advances in 2nd place. Socke is out. Moonglade still has to play against JacK according to Liquipedia. If he loses, he is 4-2 aswell with a loss vs Socke and a win vs Elfi/F91. Nope. GLaDe is 1st place.
Why? Is the match already played? I dont get it, sorry 
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What the hell is he doing? Just woke up.
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