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Alright no need to be a douche. I missed his last match, and from what I saw in the original comment I thought it was a discussion about who MIGHT advance when everything is settled.
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
Alright no need to be a douche. I missed his last match, and from what I saw in the original comment I thought it was a discussion about who MIGHT advance when everything is settled. | ||
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DelRax
Australia54 Posts
If your play has holes, sure, you'll be more prone to losing in BO1's even if you're (generally speaking) the better player. Idra lost. Big deal. He obviously didn't play well enough, and that's all that matters in the end. + Show Spoiler + And does it even matter? MVP is going to crush through WCG. People will be lucky to take a single game off of him. | ||
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:22 StarStruck wrote: I love internet sarcasm. One thing is certain. I've definitely been following RTS games longer than you. You don't like the format? Tough. There is ample proof and several tournaments other than WCG that have used bo1's before and they all have their reasons including Survivor and Courage. You got to deliver. LOL there you go again. Your argument is literally that you have been watching/following/knowing shit about leagues longer than i have. You can name 100 tournaments that have used a bo1 format and it really doesn't change the fact that bo1 favors the worse player. | ||
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Nadrav
United States86 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:23 Elem wrote: This wc3 game is so good. Why did WC3 have to die in the west QQ ya, it is so nice to take a break from sc2 and enjoy some good old wc3. | ||
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:25 cvt wrote: LOL there you go again. Your argument is literally that you have been watching/following/knowing shit about leagues longer than i have. You can name 100 tournaments that have used a bo1 format and it really doesn't change the fact that bo1 favors the worse player. Bo1 doesn't favor the worse player It just gives the worse player a bigger chance than in a longer series Personally I love upsets and weird results :p | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: There's pros and cons to both obviously, but bo7 against 1 player means that having an easy road/good matchups for you can take you far. Yeah but that in the same time means that you can land your worst mu in that bo7. If idra had to meet mvp from the first round in a bo7 we know that mvp would have won. But facing mvp in only one game means nothing since he can still beat 6 other noobs, or even cheese mvp himself :D. | ||
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:23 krisbin wrote: Yeah just saw it too. A couple of surprisingly results so far. Some chinese players seem pretty strong. The same Chinese players who weren't in his group? :D | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:25 cvt wrote: LOL there you go again. Your argument is literally that you have been watching/following/knowing shit about leagues longer than i have. You can name 100 tournaments that have used a bo1 format and it really doesn't change the fact that bo1 favors the worse player. Get the fuck out if you're gonna bitch about it, seriously. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
The Bo1 groups are fine because they have 7 players. Idra lost half his games, he doesn't deserve to advance. | ||
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jeeneeus
1168 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:25 cvt wrote: LOL there you go again. Your argument is literally that you have been watching/following/knowing shit about leagues longer than i have. You can name 100 tournaments that have used a bo1 format and it really doesn't change the fact that bo1 favors the worse player. and you are talking about things you have barely any knowledge of. You could just LP it, but here you go off your rocker again. Look at every WCG in Brood War. I already told you four times where to look for Christ Sake. The results don't lie. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:04 Packawana wrote: So, considering the upsets today, any chance of anyone upsetting against Mvp at this point?  It would have to be a strong korean level protoss player | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:25 cvt wrote: LOL there you go again. Your argument is literally that you have been watching/following/knowing shit about leagues longer than i have. You can name 100 tournaments that have used a bo1 format and it really doesn't change the fact that bo1 favors the worse player. It disfavors a player with holes. The best player overall isn't supposed to win every single time. That's why we actually have god damn tournaments. This is the format for GSL, and bo3 in ro64/32 is just as volatile if not more so. Deal with it, jesus christ. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:19 darkscream wrote: its not about idra, look at who has won and lost on liquipedia, lets just say they aren't results most would have expected. There was a SOTG episode where LiquidTyler explained it far better than I ever will. BoX are vastly superior to Bo1 at determining who is "better", which is what tournaments are about. its simple statistics -- the sample size of 1 game is too small especially in a game that is super volatile (I use cheese as an example of this volatility). The fact that many of the players are total unknowns adds even more variability. I realize its the way WCG has been done forever but as a first-time spectator its pretty disappointing, and I probably won't watch again in years following because I feel like drawing names from a hat would be an equally effective way of determining the groups. Between two players yes. If you are talking about getting the best players out of a group that's not neccesarily the case. Lets say you have a group of 1000 players that all play each other in bo1's. You don't think this will give a better indication of whos the better player than playing in groups of 4 players and bo3's? Yes that aren't a realistic scenario but you can just make a blanket statement that bo1's are always inferiour to higher boX when you are not talking about a head-to-head matchup. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:26 Termit wrote: Get the fuck out if you're gonna bitch about it, seriously. This is the best argument in favor of bo1's yet. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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krisbin
Germany46 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:24 DelRax wrote: I can't believe people are still complaining about BO1's, if you're a solid enough player (i.e. MVP), you'll get through it. If your play has holes, sure, you'll be more prone to losing in BO1's even if you're (generally speaking) the better player. Idra lost. Big deal. He obviously didn't play well enough, and that's all that matters in the end. + Show Spoiler + And does it even matter? MVP is going to crush through WCG. People will be lucky to take a single game off of him. Yeah you are right but it also denpends on the mappool. | ||
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GoShox
United States1842 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:27 Zzoram wrote: Yet in Broodwar, the Koreans always made it top the Top 4 with Bo1 groups, despite everyone trying every kind of cheese or special build they could come up with to try to upset the better player. The Bo1 groups are fine because they have 7 players. Idra lost half his games, he doesn't deserve to advance. Thank you~ "BO1 favors the worst player" what the heck lol? Obviously never bothered the Koreans in Brood War If you want to blame anything, blame the nature of Starcraft 2 where less talented players have better chances of winning. Don't blame the amount of games in the series. | ||
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