[GSL] Grand Finals - Code S May - Page 204

On May 14 2011 18:06 TheBJ wrote:


Code A is still part of the gsl

On May 14 2011 18:09 Taf the Ghost wrote:
So, if MC, NesTea or MVP wins the Super Tournament, do they get a "golden Crystal"?

On May 14 2011 18:07 icouldcareless wrote:


With the Code S invite from MLG, the GSL is going to alter the pool play system. It's clear that the current one round of pool play then 16 player single elimination bracket does a poor job of ensuring the best players advance. One problem is that a player can advance or drop out after playing the same player twice, since the point of having pool play is to have players play multiple matchups to avoid the unlucky bracket problem of two good players meeting up in the round of 32. The small size of the groups also makes it easy for a player to avoid a weak matchup and/or maps.

Hopefully when the new group play system is announced the size of the pools will increase. At least then, players like Inca will be more likely to have to play against weak matchups in the group stage and have a higher chance of going down to the up and down matches.

On May 14 2011 18:13 SKtheAnathema wrote:
i almost feel bad for inca until i realized he had a relatively easy road to $20k

Oh yeah forgot Seriously all S championships have been atrocious. I wish we'd just get NeaTea, MVP, MC, MKP and a few others let them play BO5's with championship BO7. That would be epic.

On May 14 2011 18:00 David451 wrote:

Jinro was definitely Ro4 worthy, at the time. He was head and shoulders above his competition. Times change, some players get better and some get worse.

The group stage is best of 3.

Give the GSL time, bad players can't stay in code S forever, there's ferocious players coming up through Code A every season.

On May 14 2011 18:10 shizna wrote:
the only players that would have given nestea a challenge in a bo7 are like MVP and MC and to a lesser extent bomber, marineking, san and anypro.

On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote:
terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault.

the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16.

inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16.

the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality).

it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches.

the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*)

not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament.


don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure.

On May 14 2011 18:22 shizna wrote:
...and jinro is not even close to the level of mvp, nestea, july, san, anypro, mc etc.

we cheered for jinro because he was a foreigner, and he had a couple of amazing tourneys, but there are at least 30 players who have achieved a similar feat in the gsl. very few of those 30 players would create an interesting final series against the champion material, jinro included.

On May 14 2011 18:24 figq wrote:
Yes, the GSL format so far was way too random, I was saying this from the 1st GSL -- but as I was also guessing, the idea was to create hype, unpredictable results, and through the sheer number of tournaments, eventually to form a solid group of players that can be used for an actual solid league (which I think is the goal). That means, on the long run it's more important what players are A/S-code, as a whole group, than who won those GSL tournaments. The real skill will become clear in a league format all-vs-all, not single-elimination.

On May 14 2011 17:06 Vorlik wrote:


You're so ignorant, just stop. It's a completely different culture, of course you wouldn't understand it, but to disrespect it? C'mon.

On May 14 2011 18:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh and also, I thought the star leagues were like this? Single Elimination at some point I mean

What's the big difference with the GSL tournament format?

On May 14 2011 18:00 SenorChang wrote:

I feel bad for him after reading that tweet

On May 14 2011 18:25 pdd wrote:

This is a terribly ignorant post. While I agree tournament structures can determine outcomes, isn't it always the case for any tournament (particularly when you don't do a full rank 1-32 seeding).

1. How does group play not make sense? The top 2 of the group would make it to the Ro16. Same as a single elimination Ro32. Look at what happened to Leenock in the Ro32 of Code A this season. People thing's he's Code S potential, yet he lost in the first round. Upsets happen even if you use a Ro32 format.

2. Jinro made it to the Ro4 in GSL Season 3 where it was all single elimination and Season 4 (where the Ro16 was also a group stage... and he made it beating MC twice in his Ro16 group stage match and Idra in a Bo3).

3. Jinro was top calibre the last two seasons. He's since been slumping.

4. Are you saying that Nada is a terrible player? Everyone knows that Nada is the better player, and yet he lost. You can change the tournament structure around but it doesn't change the fact that Inca eventually ended up meeting a better player, where in ANY form of tournament he would have lost. But he didn't and you can't blame the tournament format for it, because it was Nada's fault for losing.

5. Yes a Bo3 format for each match up in the group stage would be ideal. Unfortunately GOM has a schedule. And it's either a Ro32 single elimination or the current GOM format, both have flaws, but the group stage offers something more and does not bias the lesser skill player.

6. NASL takes place over 3 months. GSL takes place within 1 month.

7. Every one of these "best" players you're talking about (with the exception of MMA and perhaps Leenock) is now in Code S and yet you still blame the GSL format. Dude, we've seen weaker players like LegalMind, JookTo, Maka, choya all get knocked out of Code A. If the format was favorable to these lesser skilled players we'll still seem them all in Code S. Every other player who questionably remained in Code S have gone on to prove that they deserve a spot

Polt - drastic improvement
San - drastic improvement
anypro - I hate this guy and think he doesn't deserve Code S, but he did beat July in a Bo3, so he does deserve his spot somewhat.
Rain - he played an excellent losing game to MVP and beat Rainbow fair and square.

Yeah it might not be a perfect system, but then again what is? Do you want the GSL to go back to the Open format they had to truly determine the best of the bests?

8. BW has been using single elimination and Bo1 group stages for MSL and OSL for years. Hardly anyone complains about it.

9. If anything I can agree with you though, is that groupings have to be done better. Even then, Nada should have beaten him. Again it's Nada's fault for losing to Inca, not the tournament structure.

10. If there's a skill disparity between Nestea and other players, who in your opinion should have been in the finals?

MC - lost twice to Polt (similar to losing a Bo3)
MKP - lost to Alicia and Nada (not in Bo3s, but the fact he knew he had to win twice in his group, makes it similar to a Bo3)
MVP - lost twice in TWO Bo3 to Genius and Alicia.
July - lost twice to anypro.
Bomber - didn't qualify for Code A the season before.. (lost to Alicia in a Bo3 in the Code A qualifiers)
MMA - lost to SangHo in a Bo3 the season before.


Jinro beat MC TWICE in GSL 4 to get to the Ro4.

On May 14 2011 17:27 Pwnographics wrote:


Because 6 base to 2 base is all-in.