[GSL] Grand Finals - Code S May - Page 205

On May 14 2011 18:25 pdd wrote:

This is a terribly ignorant post. While I agree tournament structures can determine outcomes, isn't it always the case for any tournament (particularly when you don't do a full rank 1-32 seeding).

1. How does group play not make sense? The top 2 of the group would make it to the Ro16. Same as a single elimination Ro32. Look at what happened to Leenock in the Ro32 of Code A this season. People thing's he's Code S potential, yet he lost in the first round. Upsets happen even if you use a Ro32 format.

2. Jinro made it to the Ro4 in GSL Season 3 where it was all single elimination and Season 4 (where the Ro16 was also a group stage... and he made it beating MC twice in his Ro16 group stage match and Idra in a Bo3).

3. Jinro was top calibre the last two seasons. He's since been slumping.

4. Are you saying that Nada is a terrible player? Everyone knows that Nada is the better player, and yet he lost. You can change the tournament structure around but it doesn't change the fact that Inca eventually ended up meeting a better player, where in ANY form of tournament he would have lost. But he didn't and you can't blame the tournament format for it, because it was Nada's fault for losing.

5. Yes a Bo3 format for each match up in the group stage would be ideal. Unfortunately GOM has a schedule. And it's either a Ro32 single elimination or the current GOM format, both have flaws, but the group stage offers something more and does not bias the lesser skill player.

6. NASL takes place over 3 months. GSL takes place within 1 month.

7. Every one of these "best" players you're talking about (with the exception of MMA and perhaps Leenock) is now in Code S and yet you still blame the GSL format. Dude, we've seen weaker players like LegalMind, JookTo, Maka, choya all get knocked out of Code A. If the format was favorable to these lesser skilled players we'll still seem them all in Code S. Every other player who questionably remained in Code S have gone on to prove that they deserve a spot

Polt - drastic improvement
San - drastic improvement
anypro - I hate this guy and think he doesn't deserve Code S, but he did beat July in a Bo3, so he does deserve his spot somewhat.
Rain - he played an excellent losing game to MVP and beat Rainbow fair and square.

Yeah it might not be a perfect system, but then again what is? Do you want the GSL to go back to the Open format they had to truly determine the best of the bests?

8. BW has been using single elimination and Bo1 group stages for MSL and OSL for years. Hardly anyone complains about it.

9. If anything I can agree with you though, is that groupings have to be done better. Even then, Nada should have beaten him. Again it's Nada's fault for losing to Inca, not the tournament structure.

10. If there's a skill disparity between Nestea and other players, who in your opinion should have been in the finals?

MC - lost twice to Polt (similar to losing a Bo3)
MKP - lost to Alicia and Nada (not in Bo3s, but the fact he knew he had to win twice in his group, makes it similar to a Bo3)
MVP - lost twice in TWO Bo3 to Genius and Alicia.
July - lost twice to anypro.
Bomber - didn't qualify for Code A the season before.. (lost to Alicia in a Bo3 in the Code A qualifiers)
MMA - lost to SangHo in a Bo3 the season before.


Jinro beat MC TWICE in GSL 4 to get to the Ro4.

On May 14 2011 18:10 shizna wrote:
the only players that would have given nestea a challenge in a bo7 are like MVP and MC and to a lesser extent bomber, marineking, san and anypro.

ace, thorzain, whitera and ret have beaten MC twice (or more), it doesn't make them better players than MC.

On May 14 2011 18:22 shizna wrote:
...and jinro is not even close to the level of mvp, nestea, july, san, anypro, mc etc.

we cheered for jinro because he was a foreigner, and he had a couple of amazing tourneys, but there are at least 30 players who have achieved a similar feat in the gsl. very few of those 30 players would create an interesting final series against the champion material, jinro included.

On May 14 2011 17:06 Vorlik wrote:


You're so ignorant, just stop. It's a completely different culture, of course you wouldn't understand it, but to disrespect it? C'mon.

On May 14 2011 18:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


But it shows that Jinro is not not no where near MC's level. At least, it is very strong evidence that he is not not no where MC's level. Of course you can't "prove" this, hence why I say it's "strong evidence".

On May 14 2011 18:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


But it shows that Jinro is not not no where near MC's level. At least, it is very strong evidence that he is not not no where MC's level. Of course you can't "prove" this, hence why I say it's "strong evidence".