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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 scintilliaSD wrote: D: Poor InCa. http://twitter.com/#!/oGsInCa/status/69324511706746880 arw, poor guy next time Inca, keep practicing NESTEA <3 <3 <3 so happy for him | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote: terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault. the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. Jinro got to the round of 4 twice and although he is slumping recently he has had some truely inspiring play including beating MC in the round of 8 in january, i would say he defenetly was high code s material back then, and probably will be again once he gets back into his rythm and hopefully gets out of code A. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 scintilliaSD wrote: D: Poor InCa. http://twitter.com/#!/oGsInCa/status/69324511706746880 I feel bad for him after reading that tweet  | ||
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David451
United States491 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote: terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault. the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. Jinro was definitely Ro4 worthy, at the time. He was head and shoulders above his competition. Times change, some players get better and some get worse. The group stage is best of 3. Give the GSL time, bad players can't stay in code S forever, there's ferocious players coming up through Code A every season. | ||
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The Shiva
United States8 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:32 Codeskye wrote: pro players play to win to earn money. it won't matter to them if they have to cheese to win. yea true and against any non team you got to do what you gotta do. but facing your team mate to see who gets to finals the coach should of talked to both of them and said look ogs is going to the finals no matter what so both of you (nada and inca) need to play straight up and the better player goes to the finals | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
The last time he won it. GSL2 | ||
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote: terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault. the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. I can totally see inca beating huk and rain in best of whatever any day. But yes i do think should play 3 matches ideally....however, i think it is the balance. I am not saying one race or the other is OP, balance in terms of certain builds hard counter the other. In SC1, it is more like mechanics and strats win you the game as opposed to just the pre-prepared opening | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:49 Requizen wrote: FFE into Robo instead of going Templar tech every time and then throwing DTs to their death? The pressure from Nestea was low enough that he could have easily held it off while expanding, he just chose the same tech path 4 times in a row, even though it never came close to working. The "low pressure" is because Nestea is smart enough to not try a roachling bust before lair when theres dt's in the field. Also FFE can be and has been destroyed with spine crawlers, and Nestea did say he also had another way of killing FFE, which prob made inca not wanna do it. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:58 Sultan.P wrote: Inca should've let NaDa win if that was his performance for a GSL finals. It looks like no amount of training could have helped him win that. He was clearly an inferior player to Nestea and I personally wish to never see him in another finals >.< I personally wish he doesnt stay in code s unless we see a huge improvement on his part, being terrible in one matchup (like havent won a game yet terrible) is defenetly not code s material he can make as many excuses as he wants but 0-8 in zvp is god awful you cant just get through on PVP's and cheeses and hope you get lucky brackets / your coin flip cheese's work. Honestly I thought inca was gonnna have a way better showing, even though i thought it would be 4-1 even if it was 4-0 i wouldnt have minded if the games werent so lopsided. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:50 Z3kk wrote: Wow, poor inca :o nestea just beat him like a drum. Why is it that gsl finals always seem to be either incredibly close or a total annihilation? >< iirc? Where is the incredibly close part? | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
Code A is still part of the gsl  | ||
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All Bogs
Netherlands104 Posts
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icouldcareless
United States96 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote: terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault. the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. With the Code S invite from MLG, the GSL is going to alter the pool play system. It's clear that the current one round of pool play then 16 player single elimination bracket does a poor job of ensuring the best players advance. One problem is that a player can advance or drop out after playing the same player twice, since the point of having pool play is to have players play multiple matchups to avoid the unlucky bracket problem of two good players meeting up in the round of 32. The small size of the groups also makes it easy for a player to avoid a weak matchup and/or maps. Hopefully when the new group play system is announced the size of the pools will increase. At least then, players like Inca will be more likely to have to play against weak matchups in the group stage and have a higher chance of going down to the up and down matches. | ||
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Drygioni
Japan379 Posts
season 2 had a close score iirc | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 14 2011 18:00 The Shiva wrote: yea true and against any non team you got to do what you gotta do. but facing your team mate to see who gets to finals the coach should of talked to both of them and said look ogs is going to the finals no matter what so both of you (nada and inca) need to play straight up and the better player goes to the finals I agree, throwing in one cheese in a best of 5 even against a teammate is not a big deal, but trying to win through cheese's isnt going to get you anywhere, its like cheating on a tests and then your finals come up(nestea who is really hard to cheese) and you dont know anything. Normally there is mutual respect between team mates in big tournaments and they wont just try and cheese their team mates out in every game, but inca is kind of a douche that way and therefore he deserved to lose. The cheeky smile on his face after he cheesed nada 3 games in a row (last game went to macro and nada screwed up but he still tried to cheese and it was thwarted) pissed me off im glad to see nestea wipe that silly smile off his face. Im a protoss player and i love watching protoss play and i usually hope they will win, but i never liked inca to me he was just a PVP player and a 1 baser/ gimmicky plays. Not champion material or inspiring play thats for sure. sorry inca you lose! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
As far as Inca goes: I'm sure Inca prepared and tried hard in his matches, unfortunately it didn't work out for him for whatever reason, be it just pressure or what not. Hope he takes this well like a good player would and uses this loss as fuel for improvement. Discussion whether or not Inca deserved to be in the finals is a bit meaningless, as he played the game, he beat his opponents. Even if he did use cheesy strats and aggressive strategies, his opponents before had the full chance to stop them. I wouldn't really blame him for using what was working for him, macro based play isn't the end all be all of SC2, as much as some people would like it to be. Frankly, watching a game where 2 players sit back and macro for the 1st 10 minutes would be quite boring. Not Incas fault his opponents failed to hold off his early rushes. Its like calling someone a noob for 6 pooling you, when in actuality you are the noob for not being able to hold off one of the basic rushes in the game. | ||
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