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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:48 openbox1 wrote: However, doesn't take away from the fact that his PvP is insane and is PvT while cheesy, is quite creative. Is it the TLO kind of creativeness? | ||
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Poilon
France139 Posts
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
Why is it that gsl finals always seem to be either incredibly close or a total annihilation? >< iirc? | ||
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MH_Gunner
200 Posts
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David451
United States491 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:39 Poopi wrote: InCa isn't as bad as you claim him to be lol. Plus since his PvP is good it'll hard for him to drop out of code S. I didn't say he was bad. But do you really think Inca is in the same league as Bomber, Alicia, MVP, MKP, MC, MVP_Keen, July, MMA, sCfou, Ryung, Nestea, etc.? It's only a matter of time. Being good at PvP will only get you so far. And b4 someone says "but he beat Nada", Nada won't be in Code S much longer unless he steps it up and starts playing like a champion again. I've seen nothing but sloppy play from Nada lately. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:38 Codeskye wrote: it won't matter. im sure those 2 respect each other but again you gotta play to win. btw, inca didn't cheese nada in game 3--it was a macro game. Untrue although it was a macro game inca tried to cheese nada and it was spotted and the stargate got taken out, that is why he was more than 40 supply behind the entire game, but nada derped it and got over confident to take out that nexus and lost to much, and didnt have ghosts. Obviously in a best of 3 with games like that though i have no doubt nada would have come out the victor. Weather it was succesful or not, inca tried to cheese his teammate in all three games. | ||
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Lhar
67 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:33 Seide wrote: Logically if zerg was in fact imba, then when zerg won it would be because the player was much more skilled, and when they lost imbalance would of played a major role. It is actually a sound basis for an argument. The problem is that it's an easy and meaningless argument. The opposite argument is equally easy and meaningless to make. MC crushes July -> MC is far superior player Nestea crushes Inca -> Z is OP The whole point is acknowledging which people were simply the better players (MC and Nestea) without dragging balance whines into it, which doesn't always happen (especially when Protoss is involved it seems). | ||
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jazzbassmatt
United States566 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:42 CellTech wrote: Well, I work night shifts now so I can't say I stayed up for this or anything, but damn that was the weakest series I've ever seen, let alone grand final.. Oh look! nestea scouted inca's opener... Roach/ling ... For 4 games. At least no matter what happens in the TSL it should blow this out of the water. Thorzaine fighting. haha I also work nights. I'm a security guard (which basically means I just sit and do nothing and get to watch GSL) | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
Basically it is a completely guessing game after your first scouting probe die to lings. Go 3 gate sentry expo: get owned by 8 roach+28 ling timing. You basically need perfect ff and sometimes that isn't even enough Go DT expand: as we saw today, a evo+spore just owns this Go void ray or pheonix? expand: same spore+queen just owns this 4 gate all in As long as Zerg isn't greedy, evo+spore counters basically 2 of the 3 non-all in openings. And Roach+ling get the last. I just hope toss players doesn't just start 4 gating every game. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:51 Lhar wrote: The problem is that it's an easy and meaningless argument. The opposite argument is equally easy and meaningless to make. MC crushes July -> MC is far superior player Nestea crushes Inca -> Z is OP The whole point is acknowledging which people were simply the better players (MC and Nestea) without dragging balance whines into it, which doesn't always happen (especially when Protoss is involved it seems). I agree Its actually quite a circular argument if you ask me personally, as you can never really objectively prove otherwise.Unless you compare win/loss ratios based on match ups and ELOs, i guess, but its incredibly too early for that to even be a remote possibility | ||
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needmoreMicro
36 Posts
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:50 Poilon wrote: Guys, please, everyone knows what stress is right ? Inca is damn good, better than all of you talkin', so please stop trashing him. I was cheering for Nestea who have fully mind gamed Inca, and was a lot better in these games. I'm really happy about his win. But nobody can say that Inca is not good or didn't deserve the finale. He deserved it, he is really good, he has his style of play, he shows really great strategies against killer, and then raped Nada, with calm and mind game. The final has too much pressure and he had not enough cold blood to do this, next time he'll be better To be fair, that's what people said of MKP, and look where he ended up...  Though mkp is irrefutably a very strong player, of course. At that point, 3 silvers is definitely pretty beastly lol | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:50 Z3kk wrote: Wow, poor inca :o nestea just beat him like a drum. Why is it that gsl finals always seem to be either incredibly close or a total annihilation? >< iirc? welp, looks like dts are gonna be able to fly in return for a mana based 200/200 research cost for cloak ala NASL and incontrol | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
http://twitter.com/#!/oGsInCa/status/69324511706746880 | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:55 shizna wrote: terrible final and it's the GSL structure that's at fault. the gap between qualified players and champion material is massive, but in code S you play a stupid group that doesn't make sense and then a Ro16. inca beat huk and rain in a best of 1, then qualified for the Ro16. the same format was responsible for jinro getting to the Ro4 (?), even though he's way out of his depth (great player, but not top GSL quality). it doesn't work - the format means that you'll often get huge disparity in skill in the latter stages of the tournament which leads to terrible matches. the group stage needs to be best of 3 at LEAST, and you should play everyone else in your group at least once. (like NASL *cough*) not to mention the fact that half of the best players in korea have been sucked into code A... it wasn't going to be a classic tournament. don't blame the loser, blame the dumb tournament structure. I can't help but to agree here(on the group stage aspect), as most group stages in high class tourneys that I have seen, have each person playing the other one atleast twice. | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
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Poopi
France12917 Posts
Too bad they never met | ||
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