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On May 10 2011 01:52 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:41 doihy wrote:On May 10 2011 00:46 Slimijs wrote:On May 09 2011 23:57 zerious wrote:On May 09 2011 23:55 Maenander wrote:On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.
I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.
I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well. It is not like Jinro and Huk had more success in foreigner tournaments lately, I doubt players like Zenio are one step ahead of the non-korean scene. I'm pretty sure Zenio would slaughter any foreign terran. Well + Show Spoiler +Drewbie beat him 2-0 in NASL yestarday Yea because Drewbie can totally make it through the Code A qualifiers, and then go on to Code S. He probably could if he put his mind to it and took 6 months out to move to Korea. What are you trying to imply? GSL is a commitment, some other top players have failed to make it in because they simply take one shot at it and then leave, most of the players in there right now either took the time to consistently work at getting in and staying in, or were a part of GSL early on before the split really pushed weaker players out. It'd be astounding for anyone to just move to Korea and make their way into Code S in one try at the moment. Even more astounding if they managed to stay in Code S for a following season.
no, just no. It takes an already GOOD player like Idra or Jinro, to stay in Korea for 6 months to qualify. A mediocre player like Drewbie will never qualify. Huk would never qualify if it weren't for a free spot in Code A. There's plenty of Europeans that could qualify, but I'd say Idra is the only NA player that could.
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On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal.
I guess you played some games from there otherwise you are assuming
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On May 10 2011 01:55 fatvirgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:52 Mordiford wrote:On May 10 2011 01:41 doihy wrote:On May 10 2011 00:46 Slimijs wrote:On May 09 2011 23:57 zerious wrote:On May 09 2011 23:55 Maenander wrote:On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.
I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.
I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well. It is not like Jinro and Huk had more success in foreigner tournaments lately, I doubt players like Zenio are one step ahead of the non-korean scene. I'm pretty sure Zenio would slaughter any foreign terran. Well + Show Spoiler +Drewbie beat him 2-0 in NASL yestarday Yea because Drewbie can totally make it through the Code A qualifiers, and then go on to Code S. He probably could if he put his mind to it and took 6 months out to move to Korea. What are you trying to imply? GSL is a commitment, some other top players have failed to make it in because they simply take one shot at it and then leave, most of the players in there right now either took the time to consistently work at getting in and staying in, or were a part of GSL early on before the split really pushed weaker players out. It'd be astounding for anyone to just move to Korea and make their way into Code S in one try at the moment. Even more astounding if they managed to stay in Code S for a following season. no, just no. It takes an already GOOD player like Idra or Jinro, to stay in Korea for 6 months to qualify. A mediocre player like Drewbie will never qualify. Huk would never qualify if it weren't for a free spot in Code A. There's plenty of Europeans that could qualify, but I'd say Idra is the only NA player that could.
Well, I guess we disagree there.
I don't consider Drewbie a mediocre player. SeleCT, one of the top Terrans in NA and probably one of the best foreign Terrans overall failed to qualify, so did Kiwikaki. IdrA got in and stayed in before the league really peaked in terms of difficulty and before some of the weaker players started getting pushed out. I'm pretty sure he could re-qualify if he put in the effort, but I think you're mistaken in thinking he's the only one who could.
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On May 10 2011 01:56 Sclol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal. I guess you played some games from there otherwise you are assuming
Idra said he played games at the oGs house and still said it was unplayable.
In fact, he said no results from online tournaments NA-KR should be considered.
I'm going to go with him, since like Jinro or Tyler, he's not obligated to say the matches are fair.
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On May 10 2011 01:58 fatvirgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:56 Sclol wrote:On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal. I guess you played some games from there otherwise you are assuming Idra said he played games at the oGs house and still said it was unplayable. In fact, he said no results from online tournaments NA-KR should be considered. I'm going to go with him, since like Jinro or Tyler, he's not obligated to say the matches are fair.
Some players have been complaining more than others, some not at all.
I've yet to hear Sen complain about playing on the NA server and he always performs well. Based on what I've seen, the Korean players on oGs appear to react and micro normally or near-normally in their matches with no indication of lag severely affecting their play.
Even a heavily micro oriented player like MC appears to be able to handle his shit alright.
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Now i dunno if i should buy the season pass for the next code a/code s. Im going to buy for the super champ.
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On May 09 2011 22:58 shell wrote:
ohh and btw:
oGsMC
IMMvP
also went to code A so it's no shame to loose
God it really bugs me when people get LOSE and LOOSE mixed up.
Also when they get their facts wrong as well... MC is in the up/down matches
Up/Down matches =/= BEING in Code A
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On May 10 2011 01:58 fatvirgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:56 Sclol wrote:On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal. I guess you played some games from there otherwise you are assuming Idra said he played games at the oGs house and still said it was unplayable. In fact, he said no results from online tournaments NA-KR should be considered. I'm going to go with him, since like Jinro or Tyler, he's not obligated to say the matches are fair.
find a more reliable source. Idra is an immature kid who whines all the time about everything - thats his thing.
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Correction he only whines about things that aren't in his favor, not being in korea the lag has no effect on him so he doesn't have an extra agenda saying that KR-NA is unplayable if anything it takes credit away from his own wins over KRs while being in NA
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Jinro may want to learn some TvZ from MKP. I know he is a friend of Jinro. Of course, MKP can learn some solid TvT from Jinro for exchange.
Hope Jinro get better and back to top soon!
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figured id put it in spoilers so no one gets pissed, but i feel obliged to do so.
+ Show Spoiler +NOOOOOOO JINROOOOO!!!!!!!
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On May 10 2011 01:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:55 fatvirgin wrote:On May 10 2011 01:52 Mordiford wrote:On May 10 2011 01:41 doihy wrote:On May 10 2011 00:46 Slimijs wrote:On May 09 2011 23:57 zerious wrote:On May 09 2011 23:55 Maenander wrote:On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.
I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.
I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well. It is not like Jinro and Huk had more success in foreigner tournaments lately, I doubt players like Zenio are one step ahead of the non-korean scene. I'm pretty sure Zenio would slaughter any foreign terran. Well + Show Spoiler +Drewbie beat him 2-0 in NASL yestarday Yea because Drewbie can totally make it through the Code A qualifiers, and then go on to Code S. He probably could if he put his mind to it and took 6 months out to move to Korea. What are you trying to imply? GSL is a commitment, some other top players have failed to make it in because they simply take one shot at it and then leave, most of the players in there right now either took the time to consistently work at getting in and staying in, or were a part of GSL early on before the split really pushed weaker players out. It'd be astounding for anyone to just move to Korea and make their way into Code S in one try at the moment. Even more astounding if they managed to stay in Code S for a following season. no, just no. It takes an already GOOD player like Idra or Jinro, to stay in Korea for 6 months to qualify. A mediocre player like Drewbie will never qualify. Huk would never qualify if it weren't for a free spot in Code A. There's plenty of Europeans that could qualify, but I'd say Idra is the only NA player that could. Well, I guess we disagree there. I don't consider Drewbie a mediocre player. SeleCT, one of the top Terrans in NA and probably one of the best foreign Terrans overall failed to qualify, so did Kiwikaki. IdrA got in and stayed in before the league really peaked in terms of difficulty and before some of the weaker players started getting pushed out. I'm pretty sure he could re-qualify if he put in the effort, but I think you're mistaken in thinking he's the only one who could.
And so did jinro, twice...
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 *sigh* sad to see Jinro lose, he was my last legitimate hope for TL in Korea.
As a team though, besides him and Ret (who has been playing quite well in NASL lately):
Tyler has been slumping like crazy lately, HuK probably won't last past the up/down matches, TLO well the guy has always been "creative" but not that consistent, and then there's Haypro which I shouldn't really have to elaborate on.
Cmon Jinro! Keep it up! You can smash Code A and make it back into Code S.
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I'm not really surprised that jinro is down to code A, he hasn't be performing well lately along with the majority of liquid players.
And I'm gonna say that either jinro or Huk so going to be in code B by the end of next season.
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On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal.
I love how people try and downplay the lag. Sure, oGs may let people use it, but maybe it goes from completely unbearable to not as bad. I highly doubt the "effects of lag would be minimal". That's a statement full of assumptions. How do you know how bad the lag is at the other houses, better than the other houses is all relative to how bad the internet in the other houses is.
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Think positive; Naniwa is probably going to win the road to korea and get a seed into code A. He is going to melt up some faces.
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On May 10 2011 02:26 ct2299 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal. I love how people try and downplay the lag. Sure, oGs may let people use it, but maybe it goes from completely unbearable to not as bad. I highly doubt the "effects of lag would be minimal". That's a statement full of assumptions. How do you know how bad the lag is at the other houses, better than the other houses is all relative to how bad the internet in the other houses is.
Your assumptions are as good as ours at the end of the day.
I used to play DotA on NA from Pakistan and after I got an internet upgrade, I was surprisingly doing fine with little to no-issue.
I don't know how bad the latency situation is, but based on what I'm seeing in these games, the Korean players aren't missing a beat in terms of micro and reaction time that I would attribute to lag, and when they do mess something up because of lag, it is fairly obvious and noticeable.
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On May 10 2011 00:29 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 00:21 PartyBiscuit wrote:On May 10 2011 00:00 Beefwipe wrote:On May 09 2011 23:53 shaman6ix wrote:On May 09 2011 23:06 tdt wrote:On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.
I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.
I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well. West don't have best players there. NaNi, Thor, Hasu, Dimaga, Strelok, kas and many others I think would be S class. idra too of course. He was getting higher every season and is playing better than ever now. What? Are you aware of the Code-S level of play? Hasu, Strelok would never ever get there. Kas has the skill and he could if he trained 24/7 but he lacks strong mentality and thats extremely important when it comes to stage matches.. Thor has a lot to prove yet, dont get carried away from his results in online matches he had a week to prepare for. NaNi and Dimaga are the only ones who i could see in Code-S after 2 or 3 months in Korea. Are you aware of the Code-S level of play? A lot of top Europeans would easily play in Code S, I can only think of a few Americans but the Europeans are definitely there skill-wise. A few of the top Europeans could compete in Code S (and be about mid-tier), a lot could (maybe) compete in Code A. TSL shows that given enough preparation, a lot of Europeans can create very strong customized builds for their opponents and win decisively, the GSL World Championships showed that with little preparation they still can get slaughtered just as easily. I do agree almost nobody in the NA server could compete in Code S though. I actually disagree. Given enough time, I think that a Kiwikaki, a TT1, a Major/Terran/Kitty, an Incontrol, a Tyler, a Drewbie etc. could all compete at least in code A. They would have to stay in korea for a LONG time though. They couldn't just fly over and compete in code S, although I bet a few europeans could.
Code A has no money, if you're going to be a perennial Code A all-star your better off putting your efforts elsewhere.
Kiwikaki, Terran, InControl could do Code A well. Not sure about the others you mentioned though to be honest.
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