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LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
May 09 2011 17:31 GMT
#2201
Oh no Jinro bad way to start the day T_T!!!
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
fatvirgin
Profile Joined September 2010
23 Posts
May 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#2202
Seems like Jinro is playing a dated style of TvZ. Attacking the zerg early and often seems to be the new playstyle, rather than Jinro's macro style.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 09 2011 17:37 GMT
#2203
On May 10 2011 02:29 ct2299 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:29 MechKing wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:21 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:00 Beefwipe wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:53 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:06 tdt wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.

I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.

I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well.

West don't have best players there. NaNi, Thor, Hasu, Dimaga, Strelok, kas and many others I think would be S class.

idra too of course. He was getting higher every season and is playing better than ever now.


What? Are you aware of the Code-S level of play? Hasu, Strelok would never ever get there. Kas has the skill and he could if he trained 24/7 but he lacks strong mentality and thats extremely important when it comes to stage matches.. Thor has a lot to prove yet, dont get carried away from his results in online matches he had a week to prepare for. NaNi and Dimaga are the only ones who i could see in Code-S after 2 or 3 months in Korea.


Are you aware of the Code-S level of play?

A lot of top Europeans would easily play in Code S, I can only think of a few Americans but the Europeans are definitely there skill-wise.


A few of the top Europeans could compete in Code S (and be about mid-tier), a lot could (maybe) compete in Code A. TSL shows that given enough preparation, a lot of Europeans can create very strong customized builds for their opponents and win decisively, the GSL World Championships showed that with little preparation they still can get slaughtered just as easily. I do agree almost nobody in the NA server could compete in Code S though.

I actually disagree. Given enough time, I think that a Kiwikaki, a TT1, a Major/Terran/Kitty, an Incontrol, a Tyler, a Drewbie etc. could all compete at least in code A. They would have to stay in korea for a LONG time though. They couldn't just fly over and compete in code S, although I bet a few europeans could.


Code A has no money, if you're going to be a perennial Code A all-star your better off putting your efforts elsewhere.
Kiwikaki, Terran, InControl could do Code A well. Not sure about the others you mentioned though to be honest.


To be honest, I doubt even some of those European players could make straight shoot into Korea and go for Code S, even Jinro failed to qualify twice.

The tournament requires you to set up shop and prepare to work at it, getting ready for one straight attempt to make it through the qualifiers, through code A and then into code S is pretty demanding and puts a lot of pressure on you. I don't think any foreigner has actually done it since the establishment of the league unless they were there from the start.

You have to commit to Korea, that's the big thing.
NeonPeon
Profile Joined February 2011
93 Posts
May 09 2011 17:37 GMT
#2204
Feel bad for Jinro. He mentioned recently that he was really working on modernizing his style so it was suitable for the new metagame.

Such is the level of competition now in code S that the fact that he isn't quite at the level he was before due to this transition translates from him being really competitive, to him slumping and getting relegated to code A.

I hope he comes back.

And that's about all I take from it. I wish every time a foreigner loses a game it would stop being reduced to an argument of korea vs the world, there are so many more factors than that. Jinro hasn't performed that well in tournament play in general recently. If anything, if you want to go down that road, what we've seen from the last several months would point to the fact that the swedish scene is very strong at present.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:43:10
May 09 2011 17:40 GMT
#2205
On May 10 2011 02:35 fatvirgin wrote:
Seems like Jinro is playing a dated style of TvZ. Attacking the zerg early and often seems to be the new playstyle, rather than Jinro's macro style.

Jinro didn't play a macro style though. He did allinish bunker rushes and double starport banshee.

eta: I guess he played macro against Zenio on dual sight, but he executed poorly. Not taking a quick third against a no gas build from Zenio was ughhhh.
fatvirgin
Profile Joined September 2010
23 Posts
May 09 2011 17:41 GMT
#2206
On May 10 2011 02:40 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:35 fatvirgin wrote:
Seems like Jinro is playing a dated style of TvZ. Attacking the zerg early and often seems to be the new playstyle, rather than Jinro's macro style.

Jinro didn't play a macro style though. He did allinish bunker rushes and double starport banshee.


was referring to Zenio games
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 09 2011 17:45 GMT
#2207
Jinro just has an outdated style of play. Honestly these days you have to be very aggressive as terran vs zerg. As soon as he adjusts to the more modern styles of play he'll probably go back up.
The Notorious Winkles
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
May 09 2011 18:07 GMT
#2208
On May 10 2011 02:41 fatvirgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:40 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:35 fatvirgin wrote:
Seems like Jinro is playing a dated style of TvZ. Attacking the zerg early and often seems to be the new playstyle, rather than Jinro's macro style.

Jinro didn't play a macro style though. He did allinish bunker rushes and double starport banshee.


was referring to Zenio games


uh did you see the games?

jinro didnt play macro games against zenio
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
May 09 2011 18:07 GMT
#2209
Jinro :< Missed the games due to work, just got home and shed a tear...
God is dead.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
May 09 2011 18:10 GMT
#2210
How sad

I really hope he can get back to his earlier Jinro-shape!
We make signature, then defense it.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
May 09 2011 18:35 GMT
#2211
Shit shit

San and Jinro moved down?
And the 2 players that moved up are ones I don't know too well yet (as I assume with most others) so it's a bit disappointing.

Oh well I see the ratings are somewhat high, I hope Jinro went mech at least 1 time? :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
bOOgyWC
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany153 Posts
May 09 2011 18:41 GMT
#2212
Yo Jinro! Keep your head up!! When you lose, you just have to come back harder!!

Crush some Code A Nerds and get stronger!

GLHF
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 18:44:18
May 09 2011 18:43 GMT
#2213
I don't know what's happened to Liquid. All their players seem to be slumping hard. Maybe Koreans are improving faster than Jinro and Huk are, maybe they just lost their confidence. The things that stand out to me are micro mistakes and poor reaction to what's going on in the game. It's like once they get set on a strategy, they'll do it despite their opponent knowing it and preparing to hard counter it. Basically they've been playing like robots lately.

I believe Idra is better than anyone on Liquid. He gets a lot of flack but he is far more consistent a player than anyone on Liquid and hasn't slumped yet. Idra's new ZvP style is also very successful and aggressive and I like it. I think very few foreigners have a serious shot at getting into Code S now, the level of competition is really high. I suspect a guy like Naniwa can do it since he had the mental fortitude to perform at the LAN environment of MLG. Most foreign players seem to perform best online from the comfort of their home, and fall apart at LANs.
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
May 09 2011 19:00 GMT
#2214
Sad to see Jinro knocked to Code A but with supposedly 4 more regular GSLs, a Super Tournament and the Blizzard Cup for 2011 there is still a lot he can do in regards to just sticking to the GSL circuit, so still plenty for him to look forward to. Not to mention how many non GSL tournaments that will happen.

Just take a little inspiration from Rain! He fell to Code A and got back into Code S (first to do this I believe).
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
May 09 2011 19:01 GMT
#2215
Wow seems like Jinro could not improve anymore and the other players let him behind in terms of skill
Jinro played really bad overall and I think he knew that himself and that is why he relied on bunkerrushes so heavily
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
May 09 2011 19:03 GMT
#2216
On May 10 2011 02:16 shaman6ix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 01:58 fatvirgin wrote:
On May 10 2011 01:56 Sclol wrote:
On May 10 2011 01:47 Sandster wrote:
oGs has some insane internet in their team house (they actually offered to let all korean players use their house for international games before), and as such lag should not be a big problem for oGs.Zenio. It probably isn't like playing on LAN, but the effects of lag would be minimal.

I guess you played some games from there otherwise you are assuming


Idra said he played games at the oGs house and still said it was unplayable.

In fact, he said no results from online tournaments NA-KR should be considered.

I'm going to go with him, since like Jinro or Tyler, he's not obligated to say the matches are fair.


find a more reliable source. Idra is an immature kid who whines all the time about everything - thats his thing.


Just what would IdrA gain from lying in this situation? He's moved back to the US for good and will be facing quite a few players playing from Korea in NASL and future tournaments. If anything, it would be in his interest to downplay the significance of lag.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
May 09 2011 19:25 GMT
#2217
Jinro . Ah well, you'll bounce back, just a slump
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
May 09 2011 19:29 GMT
#2218
(P)MC
Incredible Miracle
-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Cuba292 Posts
May 09 2011 19:39 GMT
#2219
Jinro just hasn't been performing lately.. I hope he's able to bounce back? anyone think he might return home? I always remembering him saying he would stay in korea as long as he is code s
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
May 09 2011 19:39 GMT
#2220
Ouch, I was really betting on Jinro to make it. TT

Btw: Wasn't Coca the guy that learned to play in PC bangs because he didn't have a computer? Way to go.
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