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Arguing and whining in this thread will be met with the hammer. Please enjoy the games and keep this thread on track!
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#4001
On April 25 2011 06:16 YoungNeil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:10 FliedLice wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:07 YoungNeil wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:05 FliedLice wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:05 damorphy wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:58 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Hasu's pretty good but Naniwa will roll over him easily.


Yeah like cruncher would be rolled over as well .


Or like HuK rolled over Hasu

I don't think anybody was expecting that, really. HuK was probably considered a slight favourite, but everybody had already seen too much of his PvP to be confident. Hasu had a pretty strong reputation in PvP coming in as well, so I don't think many people were too surprised about the outcome. I was expecting a 2-1 in either direction, personally.


I said that it was relatively even all the time but....

This was the liquibet for that match:
TLAF-Liquid`HuK 89% (6860 : 860)

Wow. I didn't realize it was that one-sided. Maybe that was the result of a lot of hopeful fanboys. =P (Or the fact that Hasu was relatively unknown outside of Europe, and especially Germany.)

I voted for HuK, but if anybody had asked me I'd have said that it was far from a sure thing. Without my Canadian bias, perhaps I would have voted for Hasu.


Everyone in the WC3 scene knows Hasu is a big name so labelling him "unknown" outside of Germany is false.
David451
Profile Joined October 2010
United States491 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#4002
On April 25 2011 06:17 Manimal_pro wrote:
cmon david kim, make hellions 75 minerals so we can have hellion tank vs toss again! i am so tired of medivacs and vikings right now


Blue flame hellions are gosu versus toss. They hard counter their only mineral dump.
Shae: I don't want to play. Tyrion: It's fun! Look at the fun we're having!
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#4003
Wc3 players actually seem like a well fit for the type of units there are in sc2, especially looking at the tal'darim game of Mc vs Thorzain, did anyone elses mind just get blown away when you heard sniper rounds being fired in almost every battle he had ghosts?
Kooun
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada260 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#4004
With my favorite players out, I have no interest in this TSL =[
MadVillain
Profile Joined June 2010
United States402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:21:16
April 24 2011 21:19 GMT
#4005
On April 25 2011 06:15 Absentia wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote:
Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran:

colossus 9 range
zealots w/charge
stalkers w/blink
sentries w/forcefields
void rays
dark templars, especially late game
high templars, you saw the series

dont see many immortals

For Terran against Toss:
marines w/stim
marauders w/stim + slow
ghosts
vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there)

mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol

so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran

just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game


In that second game in particular, Boxer could've easily done a couple of sacrificial drops and began some kind of transition into YC Battlecruisers/Banshees/Ravens. There are plenty of Master level players who are advocating the use of these three units yet we still see Terrans continuing to solely produce a mid game army at 20 minutes+. What's the point of sitting on 3k minerals/gas and not spending any of it?


Well if we use this last series as an example..., once the players establish their economy it becomes a back and forth dance waiting for one to commit etc and this all takes place at 200/200 so a transition would have to come before that because if you lose your army you can't wait for BC's or thors etc... maybe once max is reached just build on the tech structures and production? i dunno

talking about mid game etc.. is it possible to transition out of MMM? that's what i'm wondering. like if boxer decided he wanted to transition to thors when he is on 3/4 base.. it just seems impossible.
For The Swarm!
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
April 24 2011 21:20 GMT
#4006
On April 25 2011 06:18 Niruz wrote:
Wc3 players actually seem like a well fit for the type of units there are in sc2, especially looking at the tal'darim game of Mc vs Thorzain, did anyone elses mind just get blown away when you heard sniper rounds being fired in almost every battle he had ghosts?

really? i didnt know any of the templars were sniped i thought MC fedback all the ghost before any of that happened
(づ.ㅡ) 부비적 (ㅡ.ど) 부비적 (づ.ど) 부비부비
caretony
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
April 24 2011 21:20 GMT
#4007
On April 25 2011 06:18 David451 wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:17 Manimal_pro wrote:
cmon david kim, make hellions 75 minerals so we can have hellion tank vs toss again! i am so tired of medivacs and vikings right now


Blue flame hellions are gosu versus toss. They hard counter their only mineral dump.

Blue flame helions don't counter zealots... only thing they really counter is workers and with a cannon or spine they don't even do this anymore.

Helions are killed waaay too fast in a real fight to deal with the zealots
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
April 24 2011 21:20 GMT
#4008
On April 25 2011 06:12 Paradice wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:06 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:04 Project Psycho wrote:
Europeans taking over the world(again). Some awesome games, i was hoping Cruncher would win but am pretty sure he still proved to be one of the best protoss players in the world, all the games naniwa won were epically close.

Again?I only saw this happening in online tournaments, could you (or anyone) PLEASE point out a non-cross server tournament won by europeans?


MLG lol. Didn't have to look that far!

Not a single korean played there(unless select counts)?
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
April 24 2011 21:20 GMT
#4009
On April 25 2011 06:17 David451 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:09 Lennon wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:06 David451 wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:57 Ovreel wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:55 David451 wrote:
Bad play on both sides.




Ummm... care to explain that?


Hasu losing battles/expos he shouldn't lose, then BoxeR being clueless as to how to press his advantages. BoxeR overstimming and microing incorrectly against Collossi (splitting instead of kiting)... The BoxeR we saw beat Sen did not show up today. If Hasu makes it to the finals, the winner of Kas/Thorzaine is going to crush him like a bug.


Hasu won 3-0 and you're still overly biased? Hilarious.

Well if you just saw the score you might think Hasu could beat Kas/Thorzaine but I watched the games.


I saw the games. Hasu will not get "crushed". He might not necessarily win but "crushed" is way too extreme.
PhiLtheFisH
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
April 24 2011 21:21 GMT
#4010
What's up with all that eu nationialism? I mean, even ordinary nationalism is kind of retarded, but still maybe understandable (for some people), this on the other hand....

It's an individual competition, having a fellow countryman in the semi finals doesn't make you better at this game or better than (for example) any American. You have not more in common with them than to people outside of Europe, so please stop to adorn yourself with borrowed plumes and just grant the individual players the respect they deserve....
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Logarythm
Profile Joined November 2010
United States264 Posts
April 24 2011 21:21 GMT
#4011
So, who's still in the tournament?
Making bad decisions.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:22:43
April 24 2011 21:21 GMT
#4012
On April 25 2011 06:20 TicketoHELL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:18 Niruz wrote:
Wc3 players actually seem like a well fit for the type of units there are in sc2, especially looking at the tal'darim game of Mc vs Thorzain, did anyone elses mind just get blown away when you heard sniper rounds being fired in almost every battle he had ghosts?

really? i didnt know any of the templars were sniped i thought MC fedback all the ghost before any of that happened


Yeah in one battle I heard like 10 snipes go off in 1 second, it was insane. I commented on it but no one seemed to care. Such an underrated ability.
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mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:22:19
April 24 2011 21:21 GMT
#4013
On April 25 2011 06:10 Blasphemi wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:02 Gaius Baltar wrote:
A lot of people have been talking about how SC1 progamers, not WC3 progamers, are the ones succeeding at SC2.

Now let's take a look at this here TSL3. Korean SC1 players, European and NA SC1 players, and European WC3 players all entered. All that remains are four European WC3 players. Honestly, I think their macro has caught up, and perhaps their micro and creativity is starting to shine through.

I'm not saying they're dominant, just that they've truly arrived and are here to stay. Thoughts?


The biggest tournaments GSL, Assembly, Dreamhack, MLG are still almost exclusively dominated by BW players.

People have no sense of perspective, this is just one online tournament. The only WC3 player to really prove anything yet at the top level are Naniwa and maybe Moon.

I still think that in order to really prove you're at the top level you need to go to Korea and make something happen in the GSL. Like in all sports anyone can beat anyone on their day and especially when players play as many games as they do in SC2, but consistancy and winning major tournaments are what really seperate the best from the rest, which is why MC is so clearly the best player playing the game right now.

???
Dreamhack last year, IEM Europe, UGC, Gadget Show, Gathering, MLG Dallas (top 3 Warcraft players)
Dreamhack this year had one WC3 player invite (Sjow) and u can hardly say the invites were skill based (Tlo, Huk...).
GSL is a really really dumb example to compare Wc3 vs BW cos there are only very few korean Wc3 player playing Sc2. (essentially Moon, Lyn, Soccer and Check are the only one who switched who were somehow notable in Warcraft)
Iem World finals had 2 Warcraft players in the top 4. Copenhagen Games had 2 Warcraft players in the top 4.
You also have to note that the difference between BW and SC2 is much smaller than the diffenrence between Warcraft and BW and therefore the players needed a little bit more time to get used to SC2.Which is why I think we had much more BW players in the tournaments shortly after the game was published. Nowadays I dont think there is any difference between BW and WC3 players. All of them are playing the same game...
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
April 24 2011 21:21 GMT
#4014
On April 25 2011 06:17 Manimal_pro wrote:
cmon david kim, make hellions 75 minerals so we can have hellion tank vs toss again! i am so tired of medivacs and vikings right now


Mech looks pretty doable tbh. ThorZain did it once against Tyler and won and did it once against MC and won. And those games weren't close at all. I'm not saying mech is better than bio, just that it can work.
<3
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
April 24 2011 21:22 GMT
#4015
On April 25 2011 06:20 TicketoHELL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:18 Niruz wrote:
Wc3 players actually seem like a well fit for the type of units there are in sc2, especially looking at the tal'darim game of Mc vs Thorzain, did anyone elses mind just get blown away when you heard sniper rounds being fired in almost every battle he had ghosts?

really? i didnt know any of the templars were sniped i thought MC fedback all the ghost before any of that happened

There were sniper rounds being shot in atleast two of the deciding battles, the one right before he won and dropped into his gateways and then there was a major battle not long after that
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 24 2011 21:22 GMT
#4016
On April 25 2011 06:18 Daiki wrote:
With my favorite players out, I have no interest in this TSL =[


Heheh, that sounded like I'ma get my toys and play in my house... chillax, it's a game.
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
April 24 2011 21:23 GMT
#4017
Guess I'll root for Kas? Because he's from the Ukraine and the Ukraine is home to White-Ra. Go Whit.... Kas!
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
April 24 2011 21:23 GMT
#4018
Sick games today can't wait for the ro4
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
April 24 2011 21:24 GMT
#4019
this definitely not the 4 I would expect to be here in the semi-finals. jsut goes to show how good the qualifying players are and how strong some of these eur players are. i hope thorazain wins it all.
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
April 24 2011 21:24 GMT
#4020
On April 25 2011 06:21 PhiLtheFisH wrote:
What's up with all that eu nationialism? I mean, even ordinary nationalism is kind of retarded, but still maybe understandable (for some people), this on the other hand....

It's an individual competition, having a fellow countryman in the semi finals doesn't make you better at this game or better than (for example) any American. You have not more in common with them than to people outside of Europe, so please stop to adorn yourself with borrowed plumes and just grant the individual players the respect they deserve....


Thats what happens in sports, when you root for someone you identify with them for whatever reason and you boast about it when they win. Think about it, whenever a hockey/football etc team loses in a sport its " they lost " but when your home country wins its " we won ", its just what happens and theres nothing really that can stop it.
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