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Dymeter
Macedonia74 Posts
Then he went to loose almost all engagements and his most critical expansions Than he turns twoards Boxer and kills him. Yes the first game it was obviously a mistake on boxer loosing a third of his army and that cost him the game, but i really feel Boxer outplayed Hasu in the 2nd and 3th game and lost anyways. I am disapointed from todays matches Still, grats on Hasu on getting so far, and as a European myself Im glad the top 4 shows the might of europe in esports | ||
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David451
United States491 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:08 ZeraToss wrote: one thing ; how you want to kite colossi who have 9 range ? can you explain that, sry if i understood wrong Well if it was easy/intuitive then everyone would be doing it. But Thorzaine and Kas showed the way, basically you slightly overmake vikings, engage with your whole army, and kite back with your MMM while the vikings melt the collosi. Once the collosi are down you move in to clean up the gateway (landing vikings if helpful). | ||
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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:10 DorN wrote: Why wouldnt you? Its part of every kind of sport to chose someone you can cheer for. The easiest way to do so is chosing someone by either the players location or his race. As a starcraft fan, nationality or race doesn't matter to me; all I care about is the player's SKILL. edit, removed useless rant | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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MadVillain
United States402 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:12 Fungal Growth wrote: Do think we are seeing somewhat antiquated tactics from Boxer. Marauders are good early/mid game units but not late game when toss catches up on tech and has AOE units out. What's the counter to this? Not tanks...their splash is ineffective vs the fatter stalkers who don't clump nor for the squirrely zealots who don't stay together like say marines. Key is Thors with blue flamers and marines as minerals sinks. Thors > Colossi Thors could care less about HT's and AOE units in general Thors < Chargelots...but blue flamers >>> chargelots Thors > Stalkers Thors < Immortals ...but strike cannons >> immortals Thors > Phoenix Thors < Voids...but just a few vikings >>> voids I predict this will be the future for terran vs toss in macro maps... Early pressure hellion/rine to bank time for the Thors to be produced...then once a critical mass of thors completes send in a thor army with SCV train to win the game (intermixed with hellion harassment of protoss expansions during the mid-late game). With the money saved from not producing so many dropshops, vikings (thors will take out colossi) and racks/engineering bay upgrades, terran can put their money into vehicle weapons and armor which are very sick upgrades. Not sure how you would safely transition from enough marauders to fend off a 2 base toss to a critical mass amount of thors though... not sure if it can be done | ||
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RJGooner
United States2038 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:10 TicketoHELL wrote: people should really stop stuff saying like "Eu is best" its just one tournament you cant base your argument on one tournament thats not even offline but online i know all the people in europe want to brag their superiority in TSL but you cant just say theyre better based on one tourney Come on now, we all know EU is best at sc2. On April 25 2011 06:15 RJGooner wrote: gg to Hasu...Boxer made a number of tactical decisions that were suspect to say the least..... so frustrating because he could have and should have IMO won at least 1-2 of the games....my hope now is Kas beats Thorzain and takes down the winner of Naniwa-Hasu in the finals. Yeah he did some great sytuff esp with the ghosts, but every time faced an unbeatable protoss deathball.. | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:08 RajaF wrote: THIS. I mean how easy do you think it is to have to play in front of a live audience and on TV for the very first time (which was the case for most of those guys that went to GSL). Give them the same experience as all the Korean players and things will even out. And it`s not like they went there and did not win a match. So the reason why nestea lost to goody/mvp lost to adelscott/mc to kas was because they were comfortably playing from their houses and ergo the better player between them had to win, which means that ALL (roflcopter) of them have nerve problems and could win GSL tournaments/dreamhack/Copenhagen if only they hadn't, makes perfect sense.  | ||
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote: Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran: colossus 9 range zealots w/charge stalkers w/blink sentries w/forcefields void rays dark templars, especially late game high templars, you saw the series dont see many immortals For Terran against Toss: marines w/stim marauders w/stim + slow ghosts vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there) mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game In that second game in particular, Boxer could've easily done a couple of sacrificial drops and began some kind of transition into YC Battlecruisers/Banshees/Ravens. There are plenty of Master level players who are advocating the use of these three units yet we still see Terrans continuing to solely produce a mid game army at 20 minutes+. What's the point of sitting on 3k minerals/gas and not spending any of it? | ||
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:10 FliedLice wrote: I said that it was relatively even all the time but.... This was the liquibet for that match: TLAF-Liquid`HuK 89% (6860 : 860) Wow. I didn't realize it was that one-sided. Maybe that was the result of a lot of hopeful fanboys. =P (Or the fact that Hasu was relatively unknown outside of Europe, and especially Germany.) I voted for HuK, but if anybody had asked me I'd have said that it was far from a sure thing. Without my Canadian bias, perhaps I would have voted for Hasu. | ||
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Lezt
United States115 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:09 Vimsey wrote: So I guess nobody plays undead now?  not followed it this year at all.iirc sweet and lucifer have both come back somewhat and are doing some tournaments, but most wc3 players are on the edge at this point. players like violet, focus and others do wc3 when its available but atm sc2 has more of a scene so more wc3 players are gravitating towards that. idk about infi or th000 havent heard much about them in a while, Remind is one of the few players still completely dedicated to wc3 afaik, course i havent kept up with the scene in a long time | ||
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Skipton
United States707 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:12 TicketoHELL wrote: i agree 100% with you people just want to look at something they want to look at and that is TSL right now with no korean and no BW pros but you gotta look at the big picture GSL results (most skilled tournament which I'm pretty sure everybody would agree on) sort of speaks for itself. No doubt that some wc3 players in it are doing well, but the BW players always win it. | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:14 MoriyaGXP wrote: Just to let anyone know Boxer's today match isn't live... it was taped before GSL may starts what? that doesnt make any sense at all he said in the interview after beating his first code a opponent that he had TSL coming up | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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David451
United States491 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:09 Lennon wrote: Hasu won 3-0 and you're still overly biased? Hilarious. Well if you just saw the score you might think Hasu could beat Kas/Thorzaine but I watched the games. | ||
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CeThoR
Germany53 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:14 Dymeter wrote: I totaly do not feel Hasu outplayed Boxer. Boxer had more income almost every moment of every game... Thats a given. When terrans are on equal bases with any other race, then they always have a higher income because of mules. | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
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HolydaKing
21251 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:17 David451 wrote: Well if you just saw the score you might think Hasu could beat Kas/Thorzaine but I watched the games. HasuObs can beat them both, although i would rate Kas higher than him | ||
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Rawkclayton
Denmark43 Posts
On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote: Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran: colossus 9 range zealots w/charge stalkers w/blink sentries w/forcefields void rays dark templars, especially late game high templars, you saw the series dont see many immortals For Terran against Toss: marines w/stim marauders w/stim + slow ghosts vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there) mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game Remind me again which units Thorzain used to beat MC (arguably the best protoss if the world)? Thors was it, let me tell you how much they blow | ||
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