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Dymeter
Profile Joined December 2010
Macedonia74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:16:06
April 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#3981
I totaly do not feel Hasu outplayed Boxer. Boxer had more income almost every moment of every game, he did upgrades, getting ghosts/vikings when needed, and all Hasu did that was smart was they way he used his stalkers to pick off a vikling/m.vac here and there.
Then he went to loose almost all engagements and his most critical expansions
Than he turns twoards Boxer and kills him.
Yes the first game it was obviously a mistake on boxer loosing a third of his army and that cost him the game, but i really feel Boxer outplayed Hasu in the 2nd and 3th game and lost anyways.
I am disapointed from todays matches
Still, grats on Hasu on getting so far, and as a European myself Im glad the top 4 shows the might of europe in esports
Man is a gaming animal. He must always be trying to get the better in something or other.- Charles Lamb
David451
Profile Joined October 2010
United States491 Posts
April 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#3982
On April 25 2011 06:08 ZeraToss wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:06 David451 wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:57 Ovreel wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:55 David451 wrote:
Bad play on both sides.




Ummm... care to explain that?


Hasu losing battles/expos he shouldn't lose, then BoxeR being clueless as to how to press his advantages. BoxeR overstimming and microing incorrectly against Collossi (splitting instead of kiting)... The BoxeR we saw beat Sen did not show up today. If Hasu makes it to the finals, the winner of Kas/Thorzaine is going to crush him like a bug.


one thing ; how you want to kite colossi who have 9 range ? can you explain that, sry if i understood wrong

Well if it was easy/intuitive then everyone would be doing it. But Thorzaine and Kas showed the way, basically you slightly overmake vikings, engage with your whole army, and kite back with your MMM while the vikings melt the collosi. Once the collosi are down you move in to clean up the gateway (landing vikings if helpful).
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MoriyaGXP
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)240 Posts
April 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#3983
Just to let anyone know Boxer's today match isn't live... it was taped before GSL may starts
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:15:56
April 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#3984
On April 25 2011 06:10 DorN wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:06 AlBundy wrote:
What's up with the EU vs NA / KR? This is pathetic guys. As an european I do not endorse this behavior.


Why wouldnt you? Its part of every kind of sport to chose someone you can cheer for.
The easiest way to do so is chosing someone by either the players location or his race.



As a starcraft fan, nationality or race doesn't matter to me; all I care about is the player's SKILL.

edit, removed useless rant
o choro é livre
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3985
None the less another great day for the TSL.
MadVillain
Profile Joined June 2010
United States402 Posts
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3986
On April 25 2011 06:12 Fungal Growth wrote:
Do think we are seeing somewhat antiquated tactics from Boxer. Marauders are good early/mid game units but not late game when toss catches up on tech and has AOE units out. What's the counter to this? Not tanks...their splash is ineffective vs the fatter stalkers who don't clump nor for the squirrely zealots who don't stay together like say marines. Key is Thors with blue flamers and marines as minerals sinks.

Thors > Colossi
Thors could care less about HT's and AOE units in general
Thors < Chargelots...but blue flamers >>> chargelots
Thors > Stalkers
Thors < Immortals ...but strike cannons >> immortals
Thors > Phoenix
Thors < Voids...but just a few vikings >>> voids

I predict this will be the future for terran vs toss in macro maps... Early pressure hellion/rine to bank time for the Thors to be produced...then once a critical mass of thors completes send in a thor army with SCV train to win the game (intermixed with hellion harassment of protoss expansions during the mid-late game). With the money saved from not producing so many dropshops, vikings (thors will take out colossi) and racks/engineering bay upgrades, terran can put their money into vehicle weapons and armor which are very sick upgrades.



Not sure how you would safely transition from enough marauders to fend off a 2 base toss to a critical mass amount of thors though... not sure if it can be done
For The Swarm!
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3987
gg to Hasu...Boxer made a number of tactical decisions that were suspect to say the least..... so frustrating because he could have and should have IMO won at least 1-2 of the games....my hope now is Kas beats Thorzain and takes down the winner of Naniwa-Hasu in the finals.
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wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:17:57
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3988
On April 25 2011 06:10 TicketoHELL wrote:
people should really stop stuff saying like "Eu is best" its just one tournament you cant base your argument on one tournament thats not even offline but online i know all the people in europe want to brag their superiority in TSL but you cant just say theyre better based on one tourney

Come on now, we all know EU is best at sc2.

On April 25 2011 06:15 RJGooner wrote:
gg to Hasu...Boxer made a number of tactical decisions that were suspect to say the least..... so frustrating because he could have and should have IMO won at least 1-2 of the games....my hope now is Kas beats Thorzain and takes down the winner of Naniwa-Hasu in the finals.

Yeah he did some great sytuff esp with the ghosts, but every time faced an unbeatable protoss deathball..
here i am
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3989
On April 25 2011 06:08 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:06 mathemagician1986 wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:01 Skipton wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:00 Caphe wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:55 Qwix wrote:
The top 4 spots filled by Europeans, what a surprise.. oh wait.

And European get smash by Korean in LIVE tourney across EU. Whenver there is Korean in a LIVE tourney, they will win it.

Noone for me to root for anymore, hope Naniwa or Thorzain takes it cos they are the best 2 left.


Pretty much this. Live GSL world championship foreigners didn't even get close to winning it and MC fly's in a 4-0 in Copenhagen.


Don't underestimate how a live stage affects nerves. MC played tons of televised matches, whereas most europeans haven't. So we could argue foreigners are actually better players but just have to get used to the live pressure.


THIS. I mean how easy do you think it is to have to play in front of a live audience and on TV for the very first time (which was the case for most of those guys that went to GSL).

Give them the same experience as all the Korean players and things will even out. And it`s not like they went there and did not win a match.

So the reason why nestea lost to goody/mvp lost to adelscott/mc to kas was because they were comfortably playing from their houses and ergo the better player between them had to win, which means that ALL (roflcopter) of them have nerve problems and could win GSL tournaments/dreamhack/Copenhagen if only they hadn't, makes perfect sense.
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
April 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#3990
On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote:
Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran:

colossus 9 range
zealots w/charge
stalkers w/blink
sentries w/forcefields
void rays
dark templars, especially late game
high templars, you saw the series

dont see many immortals

For Terran against Toss:
marines w/stim
marauders w/stim + slow
ghosts
vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there)

mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol

so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran

just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game


In that second game in particular, Boxer could've easily done a couple of sacrificial drops and began some kind of transition into YC Battlecruisers/Banshees/Ravens. There are plenty of Master level players who are advocating the use of these three units yet we still see Terrans continuing to solely produce a mid game army at 20 minutes+. What's the point of sitting on 3k minerals/gas and not spending any of it?
YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 21:16:23
April 24 2011 21:16 GMT
#3991
On April 25 2011 06:10 FliedLice wrote:
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On April 25 2011 06:07 YoungNeil wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:05 FliedLice wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:05 damorphy wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:58 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Hasu's pretty good but Naniwa will roll over him easily.


Yeah like cruncher would be rolled over as well .


Or like HuK rolled over Hasu

I don't think anybody was expecting that, really. HuK was probably considered a slight favourite, but everybody had already seen too much of his PvP to be confident. Hasu had a pretty strong reputation in PvP coming in as well, so I don't think many people were too surprised about the outcome. I was expecting a 2-1 in either direction, personally.


I said that it was relatively even all the time but....

This was the liquibet for that match:
TLAF-Liquid`HuK 89% (6860 : 860)

Wow. I didn't realize it was that one-sided. Maybe that was the result of a lot of hopeful fanboys. =P (Or the fact that Hasu was relatively unknown outside of Europe, and especially Germany.)

I voted for HuK, but if anybody had asked me I'd have said that it was far from a sure thing. Without my Canadian bias, perhaps I would have voted for Hasu.
Lezt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States115 Posts
April 24 2011 21:16 GMT
#3992
On April 25 2011 06:09 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:08 Tiel wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:05 DorN wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:04 Vimsey wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:00 Azarkon wrote:
4x Europeans, 4x ex-WC 3 players, 4x players who qualified through the TLOpen.

TSL 3: the tournament that signaled the end of the old order?

Possibly but the Chinese will be coming soon.


I hope so. Wanna see Sky,infi,ted in action.


Sky's brother is playing in the stars war tournament, think i saw one game of infi in beta. ted retired from wc3, but maybe he would make a comeback for sc2 though iunno. one can always hope ofc


So I guess nobody plays undead now? not followed it this year at all.

iirc sweet and lucifer have both come back somewhat and are doing some tournaments, but most wc3 players are on the edge at this point. players like violet, focus and others do wc3 when its available but atm sc2 has more of a scene so more wc3 players are gravitating towards that. idk about infi or th000 havent heard much about them in a while, Remind is one of the few players still completely dedicated to wc3 afaik, course i havent kept up with the scene in a long time
Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please - Niccolo Machiavelli
Skipton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States707 Posts
April 24 2011 21:16 GMT
#3993
On April 25 2011 06:12 TicketoHELL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:10 Blasphemi wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:02 Gaius Baltar wrote:
A lot of people have been talking about how SC1 progamers, not WC3 progamers, are the ones succeeding at SC2.

Now let's take a look at this here TSL3. Korean SC1 players, European and NA SC1 players, and European WC3 players all entered. All that remains are four European WC3 players. Honestly, I think their macro has caught up, and perhaps their micro and creativity is starting to shine through.

I'm not saying they're dominant, just that they've truly arrived and are here to stay. Thoughts?


The biggest tournaments GSL, Assembly, Dreamhack, MLG are still almost exclusively dominated by BW players.

People have no sense of perspective, this is just one online tournament. The only WC3 player to really prove anything yet at the top level are Naniwa and maybe Moon.

I still think that in order to really prove you're at the top level you need to go to Korea and make something happen in the GSL. Like in all sports anyone can beat anyone on their day and especially when players play as many games as they do in SC2, but consistancy and winning major tournaments are what really seperate the best from the rest, which is why MC is so clearly the best player playing the game right now.
i agree 100% with you people just want to look at something they want to look at and that is TSL right now with no korean and no BW pros but you gotta look at the big picture


GSL results (most skilled tournament which I'm pretty sure everybody would agree on) sort of speaks for itself. No doubt that some wc3 players in it are doing well, but the BW players always win it.
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
April 24 2011 21:16 GMT
#3994
On April 25 2011 06:14 MoriyaGXP wrote:
Just to let anyone know Boxer's today match isn't live... it was taped before GSL may starts

what? that doesnt make any sense at all he said in the interview after beating his first code a opponent that he had TSL coming up
(づ.ㅡ) 부비적 (ㅡ.ど) 부비적 (づ.ど) 부비부비
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
April 24 2011 21:17 GMT
#3995
cmon david kim, make hellions 75 minerals so we can have hellion tank vs toss again! i am so tired of medivacs and vikings right now
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
David451
Profile Joined October 2010
United States491 Posts
April 24 2011 21:17 GMT
#3996
On April 25 2011 06:09 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:06 David451 wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:57 Ovreel wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:55 David451 wrote:
Bad play on both sides.




Ummm... care to explain that?


Hasu losing battles/expos he shouldn't lose, then BoxeR being clueless as to how to press his advantages. BoxeR overstimming and microing incorrectly against Collossi (splitting instead of kiting)... The BoxeR we saw beat Sen did not show up today. If Hasu makes it to the finals, the winner of Kas/Thorzaine is going to crush him like a bug.


Hasu won 3-0 and you're still overly biased? Hilarious.

Well if you just saw the score you might think Hasu could beat Kas/Thorzaine but I watched the games.
Shae: I don't want to play. Tyrion: It's fun! Look at the fun we're having!
CeThoR
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany53 Posts
April 24 2011 21:17 GMT
#3997
On April 25 2011 06:14 Dymeter wrote:
I totaly do not feel Hasu outplayed Boxer. Boxer had more income almost every moment of every game...


Thats a given. When terrans are on equal bases with any other race, then they always have a higher income because of mules.
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#3998
Hasu is a monster, Naniwa is a monster, Kas is a monster, Thorzain is a monster. Looking good for the semis and finals.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#3999
On April 25 2011 06:17 David451 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:09 Lennon wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:06 David451 wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:57 Ovreel wrote:
On April 25 2011 05:55 David451 wrote:
Bad play on both sides.




Ummm... care to explain that?


Hasu losing battles/expos he shouldn't lose, then BoxeR being clueless as to how to press his advantages. BoxeR overstimming and microing incorrectly against Collossi (splitting instead of kiting)... The BoxeR we saw beat Sen did not show up today. If Hasu makes it to the finals, the winner of Kas/Thorzaine is going to crush him like a bug.


Hasu won 3-0 and you're still overly biased? Hilarious.

Well if you just saw the score you might think Hasu could beat Kas/Thorzaine but I watched the games.

HasuObs can beat them both, although i would rate Kas higher than him
Rawkclayton
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark43 Posts
April 24 2011 21:18 GMT
#4000

On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote:
Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran:

colossus 9 range
zealots w/charge
stalkers w/blink
sentries w/forcefields
void rays
dark templars, especially late game
high templars, you saw the series

dont see many immortals

For Terran against Toss:
marines w/stim
marauders w/stim + slow
ghosts
vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there)

mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol

so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran

just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game


Remind me again which units Thorzain used to beat MC (arguably the best protoss if the world)? Thors was it, let me tell you how much they blow
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