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On April 25 2011 06:08 Finrod1 wrote:
All this nationalism and gamingalism (:D ) is really really annoying. All those players didn't win because of their background or nation but due to their skill. I am a european aswell, is that making me a better player? I don't think so.
Yeah, it's sad to see that as well, but every sport nurtures on fostering nationalism, classism or racism, so it's really hard to ask esports of a maturity not even physical sports possess.
It's even funnier that some europeans are fast enough to bring their nationalism into play, but when NA tries to foster theirs, they go like wtf, all North american league? wtf?
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On April 25 2011 06:07 MechKing wrote:
Idk what's more annoying. People still comparing WC3 to BW or the "omg eruos r besty"
Whats more annoying is those combining both in the same statement obviously
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On April 25 2011 06:06 TYJ.Aoy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:04 Project Psycho wrote:
Europeans taking over the world(again). Some awesome games, i was hoping Cruncher would win but am pretty sure he still proved to be one of the best protoss players in the world, all the games naniwa won were epically close. Again?I only saw this happening in online tournaments, could you (or anyone) PLEASE point out a non-cross server tournament won by europeans?
MLG lol. Didn't have to look that far!
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Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
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Do think we are seeing somewhat antiquated tactics from Boxer. Marauders are good early/mid game units but not late game when toss catches up on tech and has AOE units out. What's the counter to this? Not tanks...their splash is ineffective vs the fatter stalkers who don't clump nor for the squirrely zealots who don't stay together like say marines. Key is Thors with blue flamers and marines as minerals sinks.
Thors > Colossi
Thors could care less about HT's and AOE units in general
Thors < Chargelots...but blue flamers >>> chargelots
Thors > Stalkers
Thors < Immortals ...but strike cannons >> immortals
Thors > Phoenix
Thors < Voids...but just a few vikings >>> voids
I predict this will be the future for terran vs toss in macro maps... Early pressure hellion/rine to bank time for the Thors to be produced...then once a critical mass of thors completes send in a thor army with SCV train to win the game (intermixed with hellion harassment of protoss expansions during the mid-late game). With the money saved from not producing so many dropshops, vikings (thors will take out colossi) and racks/engineering bay upgrades, terran can put their money into vehicle weapons and armor which are very sick upgrades.
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On April 25 2011 06:10 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:07 arb wrote:
No Zergs
No BW Players
None left in the Final 4
Guess my TSL3 Experienced ended here
Hopefully Kas wins though. Glad you watch SC2 for anything other than SC2 matches! I don't get it. Do the games suddenly get less interesting if the one playing USED to play WC3 instead of BW? Aren't they all playing SC2 now? Does it matter where they were born? The no Zergs I can understand, but if that was truly your motivation to stop watching, why did you watch the RO8?
I really dont think theres anyway i can reply to this without sounding like an elitist so im not going to even bother.
(I'll gladly tell you in PM if you want to shoot me one though)
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On April 25 2011 06:10 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:02 Gaius Baltar wrote:
A lot of people have been talking about how SC1 progamers, not WC3 progamers, are the ones succeeding at SC2.
Now let's take a look at this here TSL3. Korean SC1 players, European and NA SC1 players, and European WC3 players all entered. All that remains are four European WC3 players. Honestly, I think their macro has caught up, and perhaps their micro and creativity is starting to shine through.
I'm not saying they're dominant, just that they've truly arrived and are here to stay. Thoughts? The biggest tournaments GSL, Assembly, Dreamhack, MLG are still almost exclusively dominated by BW players. People have no sense of perspective, this is just one online tournament. The only WC3 player to really prove anything yet at the top level are Naniwa and maybe Moon. I still think that in order to really prove you're at the top level you need to go to Korea and make something happen in the GSL. Like in all sports anyone can beat anyone on their day and especially when players play as many games as they do in SC2, but consistancy and winning major tournaments are what really seperate the best from the rest, which is why MC is so clearly the best player playing the game right now. i agree 100% with you people just want to look at something they want to look at and that is TSL right now with no korean and no BW pros but you gotta look at the big picture
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
It won't be a PvP finals regardless... the TvT and PvP semifinals are on opposite sides of the bracket, so the final is a guaranteed TvP
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
Finals are going to be PvT either way ^_^
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
PvP finals is not even possible.
It's TvT and PvP semifinals
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On April 25 2011 06:10 mathemagician1986 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:08 Skipton wrote:On April 25 2011 06:06 mathemagician1986 wrote:On April 25 2011 06:01 Skipton wrote:On April 25 2011 06:00 Caphe wrote:On April 25 2011 05:55 Qwix wrote:
The top 4 spots filled by Europeans, what a surprise.. oh wait. And European get smash by Korean in LIVE tourney across EU. Whenver there is Korean in a LIVE tourney, they will win it. Noone for me to root for anymore, hope Naniwa or Thorzain takes it cos they are the best 2 left. Pretty much this. Live GSL world championship foreigners didn't even get close to winning it and MC fly's in a 4-0 in Copenhagen. Don't underestimate how a live stage affects nerves. MC played tons of televised matches, whereas most europeans haven't. So we could argue foreigners are actually better players but just have to get used to the live pressure. I guess time will tell. I see the gap extending though not shortening with training houses having a larger impact over time. that's certainly true. I think it's not really so much that koreans are better at SC2. It's their way of training that makes them so good, so the more foreigners practise under the same conditions, the more equal it will be in the future.
The one thing I am really interested to see is the results in the coming months of the players in the training house TLO is in. The best environment will breed the best players over time without a doubt.
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On April 25 2011 06:09 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:08 Tiel wrote:On April 25 2011 06:05 DorN wrote:On April 25 2011 06:04 Vimsey wrote:On April 25 2011 06:00 Azarkon wrote:
4x Europeans, 4x ex-WC 3 players, 4x players who qualified through the TLOpen.
TSL 3: the tournament that signaled the end of the old order? Possibly but the Chinese will be coming soon. I hope so. Wanna see Sky,infi,ted in action. Sky's brother is playing in the stars war tournament, think i saw one game of infi in beta. ted retired from wc3, but maybe he would make a comeback for sc2 though iunno. one can always hope ofc So I guess nobody plays undead now?  not followed it this year at all.
Lucifer does, but thats pretty much it.
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Don't think Thorzain will make it past Kas, his TvT seems to be his weakness while it's Kas' strength.
3-1 in favor of Kas
So Kas-Nani in the finals, with Nani taking it
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
Wow another person really confused. Its already a for sure thing to be TvP.
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On April 25 2011 06:02 Paradice wrote:
So amazing how many people in this tournament, when reality doesn't meat up with their expectations of who should have won (or why), they claim that reality is wrong. It's just mind boggling.
Pretty much reminds me of this.
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On April 25 2011 05:58 mholden02 wrote:
Time for Boxer to hang em up.
That's exactly the loser mentality you will not find on Boxer's side. Defeates are cornerstones of improvement...
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On April 25 2011 06:10 MadVillain wrote:
Attacking units Toss can viably and offensively use against terran:
colossus 9 range
zealots w/charge
stalkers w/blink
sentries w/forcefields
void rays
dark templars, especially late game
high templars, you saw the series
dont see many immortals
For Terran against Toss:
marines w/stim
marauders w/stim + slow
ghosts
vikings (doesn't really count since they're useless if collosus aren't there)
mech is very risky and is incredibly slow, besides thors blow and tanks vs blink stalkers? lol
so 2 out of 3 tier 3 units that toss can build and none for terran
just seems like toss has way more options, especially late game
Thinly disguised whining, sigh. Also, you didn't see Thorzain vs MC, did you? When you only have to go back a single day in the very same tournament to disprove your theorycraft, you're really not trying hard enough.
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On April 25 2011 06:11 ZeraToss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:10 TicketoHELL wrote:
people should really stop stuff saying like "Eu is best" its just one tournament you cant base your argument on one tournament thats not even offline but online i know all the people in europe want to brag their superiority in TSL but you cant just say theyre better based on one tourney they are just rooting for europe, where they live . They all know korea is best....
HAHA yeah right buddy. Wait till more European players start showing up for the GSL.
I live in Canada and i say Europe is the best. Want more proof?? Look at the ladder rankings.
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Rooting for Thorzain. Don't want to see a PvP Finals.
It's impossible to have a PvP final. Have u seen the bracket?
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On April 25 2011 06:12 Paradice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:06 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On April 25 2011 06:04 Project Psycho wrote:
Europeans taking over the world(again). Some awesome games, i was hoping Cruncher would win but am pretty sure he still proved to be one of the best protoss players in the world, all the games naniwa won were epically close. Again?I only saw this happening in online tournaments, could you (or anyone) PLEASE point out a non-cross server tournament won by europeans? MLG lol. Didn't have to look that far!
yeah but that was Naniwa being a boss and how did the rest of eu players do in MLG? not that great
you cant say eu players are taking over the world with that can you?
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