EPT[TSL] Ro16 Day 4 - Page 275
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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF! Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy! | ||
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GCVeila
United States39 Posts
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
Ha well, it's only a replay or two! If Mondi can indeed beat Cruncher's style reliably with Infestors, it would go a long way towards motivating Zergs if Mondi were to release a replay. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere Well then let's hope he'll actually show the world what he found out instead of disappearing until TSL4. ^^ Can't wait to see it. Zerg strategy needs some fresh air! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:17 DonaldLee wrote: Pfft, who needs positioning, forcing, and other advanced tactics? True gosus know that Rock, Paper, Scissors is the ultimate strategy game. LOL. Wait, your telling me that feedback doesn't work cross map and insta-gib anything with energy!?!?! You mean I have to get in range of the infestor to feed back it with my unit that can't attack and is retarded slow?!?! Thats unreasonable, I can't put the unit at risk!!!! They cost to much gas!?!?!? | ||
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Tracedragon
United States948 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:17 Clog wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay. Let's look at game 2 When Crucher was getting his 4th base, it was attacked by a large forces of roaches. All cannons were either canceled or killed. It was obvious the nexus would die. The roaches run by it to the bottom right main, and Cruncher lets it finish. 300 minerals he threw away. At many points in the game, he lost colossi to roaches in areas he clearly could have ran the colossus away, such as down cliffs or towards cannons. Unnecessarily lost colossi. He placed a crapton of cannons at his third up at the top. Don't know the exact count, but i recall it being in the realm of 10-15. That's 1500 or more minerals of static defense clumped into one small area that is easily avoided by drop play. Cruncher got an early stargate against a player that is well known for drop play against early stargates. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together. At one point in the game, Cruncher sent his entire air fleet (plus obs) to the top left base to deal with the small handful of roaches, maybe 8 or so, that had finished killing the rocks leading towards his 3rd. Cannons were already up - the roaches clearly would not be able to do any damage. By doing this, he leaves his natural almost completely undefended, save for like 3 cannons, and he gets punished for it. He even knew there were some roaches gathering near the ramp to the natural, as he had seen them burrow there with the stargate units before sending them to the top left. Now, I'm sure Mondragon made a few mistakes as well, but when you watch these games, you need to be objective. Don't blindly assume the player that won played better. Now, Mondragon definitely messed up with the cannon rush, and he didn't play that well in the fourth game. But if you think Cruncher played better for this series as a whole, you're kidding yourself. Thank you for this.  | ||
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phrenzy
United Kingdom478 Posts
Though im not always sure what to do with a NP colossi, use it against them, or pull it out of position for my roaches to take down? | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
 MC 3-1  ThorZaINAdelscott 0-3 KasBoxeR 3-2 HasuObsNaNiwa 3-0 CrunCherMC will probably lose one game being caught a little off guard by thorzain's style. But he'll catch up. Training with Jinro is going to serve him well. Kas is going to roll adelscott. He'll play well in game one but lose anyway and then tilt and make horrible mistakes and lose terribly. Happens all the time. BoxeR vs Hasuobs is probably the most interesting Ro8 matchup. Hard to predict. I think hasuobs' PvT ain't too good, while BoxeR's TvP is so patient and solid. I think lag might screw BoxeR up a bit, 3-2 is the correct prediction imo. Naniwa is going to crush cruncher so hard it will make him look bronze league. He's on a whole different level of play. I give cruncher absolutely 0% chances he'll win. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:17 entropius wrote: It is absolutely true if there are even a few sentries scattered in amongst the stalkers. if you're going to say x loses to y then don't leave out other units | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:18 Kazang wrote: You are the misguided one here. "The better player always wins. Today, Cruncher was the better player." TODAY in this best of 5 Cruncher played better, thus he won. Simple as that. Yea.... you made the same mistake.. Think about what you are trying to say. Really think. Is he the better player because he won? or did he win because he was the better player? (adding today to the statement doesn't make the reasoning any different right now). Because if you are saying he won because he is better (today). then there has to be reasons why he is better outside of the fact that he won. But my initial point still stands.. the way people are using the phrase "the better player wins" is a circular way of addressing the question. and it is flawed. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere If the games were played 3 days later there would have been a Zerg in the RO8 | ||
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Yuke
Germany30 Posts
I think he could be in the Ro8 =) Im so sad that mondi is out >_< | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:04 Teogamer wrote: Mondi is so bad, he should have made infestors, it's not like he had to worry about Cruncher having units that could drain all their energy in one spell. Go find a game where infestors actually makes a huge difference in ZvP. Yes fungal is pretty good, but nowhere near what people make them out to be. I have not seen a game where massing infestors has worked vs a competent protoss. Collosus/templar/pheonix all owns infestors. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:16 Mailing wrote: IdrA said roach/infestor was going to make PvZ easy after 1.3 One week later, and that opinion was drastically gone. Until Mondragon wins with it *shrug* People pay too much attention to individual units and not enough to the entire context behind them. The key is finding a good transition towards them in a way that leaves your opponent particularly vulnerable in one area. Maybe they become hesitant to leave their base buying you extra time, or they overproduce a specific unit. I don't know what it'll be in ZvP but the ZvT example of Broodlords into Ultras is a good start. Mondi cut down on Collosi/VRs and skewed Cruncher's composition towards Stalker/Phoenix but he stayed on mutas. | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:20 Denzil wrote: I'm going to pray this is sarcasm because if it isn't then there's no hope for you. You've never tried it right ? Well then keep QQing. | ||
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MrSpider
France173 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:22 mordk wrote: Well, time for some predictions MC 3-1 ThorZaINAdelscott 0-3 KasBoxeR 3-2 HasuObsNaNiwa 3-0 CrunCherMC 3-1 ThorZaINAdelscott 3-1 KasBoxeR 3-0 HasuObsNaNiwa 3-2 CrunCher | ||
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diverzee
Sweden992 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:05 Essentia wrote: Mondragon didnt open enough doors. Haha, i c what u did thar. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:22 phrenzy wrote: Ive been playing with infestors in ZvP, you need decent micro, especially if there are colossi invovled with the ridiculous range, but both fungal and neural parasite are amazing. Though im not always sure what to do with a NP colossi, use it against them, or pull it out of position for my roaches to take down? Walking it towards you to crush forcefields and then kill it with roaches is nice but there is lots of micro involved as the colossus numbers go up -.- | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:21 Tegin wrote: No. I'm saying they need to pick their game up. Kinda like what a pitcher would need to get a final out in the 9th inning, or a basketball player to hit a game winning shot. There are tons of great zerg players, but none of them are "finishing" in TSL3. So here's a baseball analogy. Suppose in baseball all players had to bat from the same side of the plate, and then suppose there is a season of baseball where left-handed batters have a league-wide batting average of .210, while right-handed batters have a league-wide batting average of .275, over all teams in the Major Leagues, over the whole ~150 game season. Should you say "Those lefties really need to step up their game"? | ||
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MaXy57
25 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:21 Tegin wrote: No. I'm saying they need to pick their game up. Kinda like what a pitcher would need to get a final out in the 9th inning, or a basketball player to hit a game winning shot. There are tons of great zerg players, but none of them are "finishing" in TSL3. So true, they really really need to do more than simply just outplaying their opponents (game 2) and get their balls together. No one watches american "sports" User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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