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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
April 17 2011 21:19 GMT
#5461
So this thread is now actually about how Zerg will soon be OP with mass Infestor use. I'm down for that :D
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:19:26
April 17 2011 21:19 GMT
#5462
On April 18 2011 06:17 Nik0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

no disrespect for mondi, but i'll believe it when i see it

agreed, infestors against stalkers isnt a new concept. If zergs can win consistenetly with it against death balls maybe something will change. Good to see Mondragon evolving so quickly regardless.
OpAndroid
Profile Joined July 2010
United States84 Posts
April 17 2011 21:19 GMT
#5463
Being a Zerg player, and after watching these games and knowing there won't be anymore zerg in the TSL, I just feel like putting on some pajamas and an undershirt, and watching a Sandra Bullock movie while eating from a tub of ice cream. : (
Antedelerium
Profile Joined June 2010
United States224 Posts
April 17 2011 21:19 GMT
#5464
On April 18 2011 06:15 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere


Thanks for posting that <3


Amen. Also great to see how well Mondragon took it. I really want to see him in some more tournaments. He is just so much fun to watch
"Isn't it ironic to yell the word silence?" ~B.C.
MrSpider
Profile Joined January 2011
France173 Posts
April 17 2011 21:19 GMT
#5465
On April 18 2011 06:17 Malaz wrote:
I'm just hoping the terrans will have more luck than the zergs next round. Can't be bothered to watch PvP. Would be sad if TSL3 is already "over" for me in the Ro4.


It wont happen, Blizzard will do some sort of lobbying on protoss player...
Les androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5466
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere



Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only


Thank you for posting this and sadly this will be lost amongst all this rage going on in this thread. Again we see the player who lost not be upset about why they lost but understand what he has to do next time. Sadly fans of those players always feel the need to crusade like its a Shield law.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5467
On April 18 2011 06:17 hitman133 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:13 Logo wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:12 tdt wrote:
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.


Banes vs Storm? You really think that's a good idea?

Banelings on creep could kill protoss before storm land down. Wake up and stop whining


I'm going to pray this is sarcasm because if it isn't then there's no hope for you.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Gluttony
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden160 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5468
It's been trhilling, dissapointing, and many times really really awesome! That's all due to my subjectivity. This last series, between Cruncher and Mondragon was just very very good. Especially from Mondragon. He was everywhere, intelligently making air kinda useless with his focus on ground units. imressive and entertaining and really skilled play. I really rooted for him, I still have the impression or illusion that the zergs are underdogs right now, I also have a bias towards IdrA, so it was not really a question.

And overall the series was really good, with all kinds of games, but also, for me, dissapointing It really felt like Mondragon here deserved a win. My dream would been a final between Tyler and Mondragon, I think many agree that would have been just phenomenal.

I don't really know my point, so sorry, I think I lost it, just very emotional at the end of game for, made me wanna write it down. trying not to scream or punch you know. and also, I know I don't have the mechanics or skill to truly judge the games, I only know what I saw, and I don't really know If I can trust my own judgment.

It was good games, just left a bitter taste of unfairness.

(Yay first post, although been reading for years (I think) hardcore lurker but afraid of writing posts ))

THANKS for the beautiful show Team Liquid! TSL3 is the best
I'm out of quotes atm :/
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5469
On April 18 2011 06:16 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right?


no that's not what mon is saying or what you should take from the quote. you pretty much read what kennigit posted like a stupid person
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5470
On April 18 2011 06:13 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

He went Voidray Colossus two games, Cannon rush and then finally Phoenix/Stalker/High Templar the final.

You can't honestly say that Mondragon played better than Cruncher the last game, it is getting to incredible levels of pettiness if you think balance was the reason why Mondragon last the final game.


I can guarantee you that he was planning to go void/collo in all games. He went cannon rush in G3 because he knows that it's impossible to defend going hatch first and on Tal darim there is no good place got get expansion because there is rocks on 3rd. On G4 Mondragon went mutas because he knew cruncher is doing same old thing each game, but his mutas was scouted and cruncher just went into phoenixes -> blink -> storms.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Sky Net
Profile Joined February 2011
United States134 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5471
I love Mondragon. While so many of his fans spew hatred at Cruncher and whine that protoss is unbeatable, Mondragon congradulates Cruncher on a game well played and confidently comes up with new strategies to use against toss.
"Never surrender" -Billy Mitchell
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5472
On April 18 2011 06:19 MrSpider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:17 Malaz wrote:
I'm just hoping the terrans will have more luck than the zergs next round. Can't be bothered to watch PvP. Would be sad if TSL3 is already "over" for me in the Ro4.


It wont happen, Blizzard will do some sort of lobbying on protoss player...

No they wont.
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5473
On April 18 2011 06:18 Tegin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:11 entropius wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:07 Tegin wrote:
Pretty sure the better player won today, and that better player was CrunCher. That's why they played a best of 5. Anyone complaining because of the outcome need to realize CrunCher outplayed Mondragon, especially in the final game. It's sad to see no zergs left..maybe they need to pick their games up a bit to contend?


Are you trolling?

The likelihood that all of the zerg players who tried to qualify for TSL just need to "step up their games" is pretty low, statistically; that would require that all of the high-level zergs are slackers for some mysterious reason.

Or are you saying that there's just something about the zerg race that makes players who select it play poorly?

I said the better play won today, which was clearly CrunCher. I also said for zerg players to pick up their game. I'm not going to get into some stupid imba debate. If Blizzard finds zerg underpowered, changes will be made. Until then, zerg players need to pick up their game and play to win, just like CrunCher did today.


And I'm not saying anything about imbalance. I'm saying that you are claiming that all of the zerg players in the world are mysteriously just "not picking up their game".

The odds of this being true -- that all of the zergs in the world have mysteriously decided to not practice/start sucking -- are VERY, VERY LOW.

And, if Blizzard finds zerg underpowered, they'll probably change the bunker build time again.
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5474
On April 18 2011 06:02 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 EAGER-beaver wrote:
Oh man, cruncher out played mondragon so bad, made him look like a scrub especially game 2 with the brilliant voidray/walker push.


Either you're a troll, or we were watching a different game. Cruncher in NO way outplayed mondragon in game 2.


sarcasm -_- lol
IMNestea's biggest fan.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5475
I'll believe Mondi has the "solution" when I see him winning tournaments.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
April 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#5476
On April 18 2011 06:17 Nik0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

no disrespect for mondi, but i'll believe it when i see it

Just based on evidence alone Cruncher was a huge favorite coming into this.
You either believe in Mondragon or you don't. I never saw him play BW so I don't really, but if you were expecting him to win this series you should be taking him seriously.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
April 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#5477
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere


Well these games were played pretty close to patch 1.3 and the infestor buff weren't they? Maybe Mondragon didn't have enough time to adapt. And he's had 2 weeks since these games to play with infestors vs Protoss deathballs.
MaXy57
Profile Joined January 2011
25 Posts
April 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#5478
On April 18 2011 06:18 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:16 hmunkey wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right?


Implying that Mondragon (when he practices) is an inferior player to IdrA and Ret is hilarious. Especially when it comes to figuring things out.


Well, he implied it after seeing the last games. Remember how terribly mondragon played on metalopolis? gee, he sure improved alot after back then, 15 minutes ago
Bronze league regular
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:23:05
April 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#5479
Must say, I'm liking Mondragon's attitude. He doesn't seem to have the jaded perspective that other Zergs have, but that might just be because he's still learning SC 2. Either way, looking forward to him in the future.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#5480
On April 18 2011 06:14 Tracedragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:07 Tegin wrote:
Pretty sure the better player won today, and that better player was CrunCher. That's why they played a best of 5. Anyone complaining because of the outcome need to realize CrunCher outplayed Mondragon, especially in the final game. It's sad to see no zergs left..maybe they need to pick their games up a bit to contend?

So are you implying that all Zerg players are bad? :/

No. I'm saying they need to pick their game up. Kinda like what a pitcher would need to get a final out in the 9th inning, or a basketball player to hit a game winning shot. There are tons of great zerg players, but none of them are "finishing" in TSL3.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
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