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Geez guys, Protoss is NOT unbeatable. You just need nydus, drops, burrowed roaches, infestors, hive tech, brood lords, ultralisks, 6 bases, and emp. Duh.
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere
So we are not allowed to be sad that we will se no more zerg games in TSL? That's my zerg tears at least 
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right?
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  -----
IdrA said roach/infestor was going to make PvZ easy after 1.3
One week later, and that opinion was drastically gone. Until Mondragon wins with it *shrug*
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Such great play by mondragon, shame it didnt work out. That conversation made me smile Kennigit
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Well, I'm sure sorry to see Mondragon lose, but all in all, CrunCher was the better player. I'm rooting for Boxer, MC and NaNiwa (& HotBid the awesome obs <3). Also, yesterday's Boxer vs Sen series was much more entertaining than anything today.
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere Does this mean that he will continue playing SC2 until the next TSL?
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Aeyce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:10 dementrio wrote: In my mind there is absolutely no doubt that the game is lost when protoss gets his third, so my judgement may be clouded, but I can't understand why day9 repeatedly talks about hive and infestors. has there been a game where zerg could win, or just did not lose in an absurdly one-sided fashion, by getting hive or infestors? Fungal Growth shuts down blink, while ultras rip through stalkers like a hot knife through butter. This especially helps when Mondie had his Muta/Roach composition in G4 so that 1) there are less stalkers and 2) not all stalkers can fire at the mutas by blinking under them.
I thought same thing, but i believe the reason he didnt go hive was mutas. Mutas are sort of like sentry, the more you get the more you delay your tech because of the heavy gas investment. He pumped too many mutas, even if he got the hive not sure how many ultras, let alone infestors, he could have got out in time. Just theorycrafting tho.
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So sad. Mondragon's macro so much better than Cunrcher's, but he still lost. H8 it, Toss did NOTHING but turtling and won.
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On April 18 2011 06:11 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:09 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 18 2011 06:03 Tommie wrote: Mondragon had about 5000 gas worth of mutas produced during the game. Maybe even more. Cruncher made Phoenices and high templars and Stalkers. Had Cruncher controlled his phoenices better he would have owned even harder. Imagine 5000 gas worth of infestors this game. With heaps of zerglings running by all the time. The last game was a tech path loss. This x10000 Mondragon built mutas against an army of ht blink stalker and pheonix... of course he was going to lose, that would be like p complaining that his zealots keep dying to bc's therefore its imba... honestly people watch the games and ACTUALLY think about it before spamming LR's with balance QQ Cruncher played great, the fact that people are surprised he lost to someone who admittedly doesn't play alot of sc2 is astounding, the biased fanboyism is insane. You're looking at it wrong. Cruncher made stalker/HT BECAUSE mondragon made mutalisks, so yea obviously infestors would've been good against that. But if he didnt make those mutalisks then cruncher would've just made the deathball like he did the other games, heavy on the colossi. Even if stalker/ht was a reaction to the Mutas, Mondragon's decision to get mutas was not smart considering protoss opened with a stargate, how can you expect mutas to be effective when the toss is already pumping out one of its counters before you even drop the tech building?
It was bad decision making that cost Mondragon these games!
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere
haha Kennigt laying it down!
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere
that's my hero <3
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On April 18 2011 06:10 gnutz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:07 DonaldLee wrote:On April 18 2011 06:05 branflakes14 wrote: I love how people are saying Infestors would've been useless because of Feedback. Is everyone really stuck in this "X hard counters Y" mentality? Yes. That and "You can't do X because of Y". That's the biggest problem of Zerg metagame now. I'm sad for Mondragon. Last game he really could have had it, but he sticked to Roaches and Mutalisks.  I think one of these transitions would most likely won him the game: Corrupters instead of more Mutalisks (Julys old style) Hydralisks. Cruchers Colossi came out to late. Infestors.
I wonder if its because its hard to find that one beefy unit for zerg to really decide to structure their builds around. If you have a unit you really want to work, you can find ways to make it work. Look at Goody and mech play for example. Sure, he lost today, but hes proving Mech is viable. Ultras and Broodlords just aren't that same kind of unit for whatever reason that really feel like a strong plan to go for from the beginning. They seem to be a reaction if the game goes super long, but I get the feeling most zergs hope they never have to get them.
Meanwhile, CrunCher says - hell yea, I'm getting Colossus/Void Ray, and I don't care if I need to build 15 cannons to make it work. The point being that when you have a unit or units you really want to make work, you figure out ways to do it. Zerg doesn't seem to have that equivalent at the moment, and I think its stagnating the development of their meta game.
As always: I'm not very good so feel free to ignore me
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On April 18 2011 06:15 Tracedragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote: Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (: ... "I'm a fan of whoever's currently winning" much? "I don't get sarcasm even though there is a smiley face included at the end of the post" much?
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On April 18 2011 06:11 Mordiford wrote: The, "But they had High Templar" mentality is kind of stupid, you have to force shit to work sometimes.
Fungal Growth has 9 range, Feedback has 9 range, cast fungal before they can Feedback you.
It's not fucking impossible, don't just assume that the Zerg should throw his hands up in the air. Often times a composition will involve your opponent having a set of units that crush one half of your army, and another set that crush the other half, but the set that crushes one half is weak to the other half.
You make shit work, Zerg needs a single tech structure to produce units, throw shit in there, he was sitting on 1400 gas by the end of it.
Pfft, who needs positioning, forcing, and other advanced tactics? True gosus know that Rock, Paper, Scissors is the ultimate strategy game.
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On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:King of Manner Show nested quote +Kennigit says (4:57 PM): you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you Mondragon says (4:58 PM): nah after the games vs cruncher i found out how to play XD Kennigit says (4:58 PM): hahah Mondragon says (4:58 PM): wouldnt have lost now! ^^ roaches + infestors only are the key to everything Mondragon says (4:58 PM): found out too late taht infestors are the key ! Kennigit says (4:59 PM): protoss death ball is -_- Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yes protoss deathball isnt tough anymore if you make 10 infestors ^^ either infestors + roaches only Kennigit says (5:00 PM): haha Mondragon says (5:00 PM): or just broodlords only + infestors only both are fine but i found out 3 days too late Kennigit says (5:00 PM): ahh ;;; oh well, next time ^^ Mondragon says (5:00 PM): yep yep  ----- Take your zerg tears elsewhere Well until he proves it, it's just talking. Until now Protoss are dominating Zergs, which is not really deniable.
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I'm just hoping the terrans will have more luck than the zergs next round. Can't be bothered to watch PvP. Would be sad if TSL3 is already "over" for me in the Ro4.
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On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote: can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea. Dreamhack, I think? Dreamhack had a TvP finals =>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish) =>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK) =>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month. =>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final. =>Ret wins assembly winter =>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes) Actually Ace won, Moon was 2nd.
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On April 18 2011 06:13 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:12 tdt wrote: Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG. Banes vs Storm? You really think that's a good idea? Banelings on creep could kill protoss before storm land down. Wake up and stop whining
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