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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5421
Geez guys, Protoss is NOT unbeatable. You just need nydus, drops, burrowed roaches, infestors, hive tech, brood lords, ultralisks, 6 bases, and emp. Duh.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5422
--- Nuked ---
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5423
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere


So we are not allowed to be sad that we will se no more zerg games in TSL? That's my zerg tears at least
<3
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5424
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right?
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:16:46
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5425
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----



IdrA said roach/infestor was going to make PvZ easy after 1.3

One week later, and that opinion was drastically gone. Until Mondragon wins with it *shrug*
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
FEiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom91 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5426
Such great play by mondragon, shame it didnt work out. That conversation made me smile Kennigit
Aravan
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland36 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5427
Well, I'm sure sorry to see Mondragon lose, but all in all, CrunCher was the better player. I'm rooting for Boxer, MC and NaNiwa (& HotBid the awesome obs <3).
Also, yesterday's Boxer vs Sen series was much more entertaining than anything today.
"The number J!" - Day[9]
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5428
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

Does this mean that he will continue playing SC2 until the next TSL?
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5429
On April 18 2011 06:14 Aeyce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:10 dementrio wrote:
In my mind there is absolutely no doubt that the game is lost when protoss gets his third, so my judgement may be clouded, but I can't understand why day9 repeatedly talks about hive and infestors. has there been a game where zerg could win, or just did not lose in an absurdly one-sided fashion, by getting hive or infestors?


Fungal Growth shuts down blink, while ultras rip through stalkers like a hot knife through butter. This especially helps when Mondie had his Muta/Roach composition in G4 so that 1) there are less stalkers and 2) not all stalkers can fire at the mutas by blinking under them.


I thought same thing, but i believe the reason he didnt go hive was mutas. Mutas are sort of like sentry, the more you get the more you delay your tech because of the heavy gas investment. He pumped too many mutas, even if he got the hive not sure how many ultras, let alone infestors, he could have got out in time. Just theorycrafting tho.
IceMan80
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany20 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5430
So sad. Mondragon's macro so much better than Cunrcher's, but he still lost. H8 it, Toss did NOTHING but turtling and won.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5431
On April 18 2011 06:11 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:03 Tommie wrote:
Mondragon had about 5000 gas worth of mutas produced during the game. Maybe even more. Cruncher made Phoenices and high templars and Stalkers. Had Cruncher controlled his phoenices better he would have owned even harder. Imagine 5000 gas worth of infestors this game. With heaps of zerglings running by all the time.
The last game was a tech path loss.

This x10000

Mondragon built mutas against an army of ht blink stalker and pheonix... of course he was going to lose, that would be like p complaining that his zealots keep dying to bc's therefore its imba... honestly people watch the games and ACTUALLY think about it before spamming LR's with balance QQ

Cruncher played great, the fact that people are surprised he lost to someone who admittedly doesn't play alot of sc2 is astounding, the biased fanboyism is insane.



You're looking at it wrong.

Cruncher made stalker/HT BECAUSE mondragon made mutalisks, so yea obviously infestors would've been good against that. But if he didnt make those mutalisks then cruncher would've just made the deathball like he did the other games, heavy on the colossi.

Even if stalker/ht was a reaction to the Mutas, Mondragon's decision to get mutas was not smart considering protoss opened with a stargate, how can you expect mutas to be effective when the toss is already pumping out one of its counters before you even drop the tech building?

It was bad decision making that cost Mondragon these games!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5432
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere



haha Kennigt laying it down!
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#5433
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere


that's my hero <3
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5434
On April 18 2011 06:10 gnutz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:07 DonaldLee wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:05 branflakes14 wrote:
I love how people are saying Infestors would've been useless because of Feedback. Is everyone really stuck in this "X hard counters Y" mentality?


Yes. That and "You can't do X because of Y".

That's the biggest problem of Zerg metagame now.

I'm sad for Mondragon. Last game he really could have had it, but he sticked to Roaches and Mutalisks.
I think one of these transitions would most likely won him the game:
Corrupters instead of more Mutalisks (Julys old style)
Hydralisks. Cruchers Colossi came out to late.
Infestors.


I wonder if its because its hard to find that one beefy unit for zerg to really decide to structure their builds around. If you have a unit you really want to work, you can find ways to make it work. Look at Goody and mech play for example. Sure, he lost today, but hes proving Mech is viable. Ultras and Broodlords just aren't that same kind of unit for whatever reason that really feel like a strong plan to go for from the beginning. They seem to be a reaction if the game goes super long, but I get the feeling most zergs hope they never have to get them.

Meanwhile, CrunCher says - hell yea, I'm getting Colossus/Void Ray, and I don't care if I need to build 15 cannons to make it work. The point being that when you have a unit or units you really want to make work, you figure out ways to do it. Zerg doesn't seem to have that equivalent at the moment, and I think its stagnating the development of their meta game.

As always: I'm not very good so feel free to ignore me
You'll never get better being an angry nerd sitting alone in your room.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:17:48
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5435
On April 18 2011 06:15 Tracedragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


...
"I'm a fan of whoever's currently winning" much?

"I don't get sarcasm even though there is a smiley face included at the end of the post" much?
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5436
On April 18 2011 06:11 Mordiford wrote:
The, "But they had High Templar" mentality is kind of stupid, you have to force shit to work sometimes.

Fungal Growth has 9 range, Feedback has 9 range, cast fungal before they can Feedback you.

It's not fucking impossible, don't just assume that the Zerg should throw his hands up in the air. Often times a composition will involve your opponent having a set of units that crush one half of your army, and another set that crush the other half, but the set that crushes one half is weak to the other half.

You make shit work, Zerg needs a single tech structure to produce units, throw shit in there, he was sitting on 1400 gas by the end of it.


Pfft, who needs positioning, forcing, and other advanced tactics? True gosus know that Rock, Paper, Scissors is the ultimate strategy game.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5437
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere

Well until he proves it, it's just talking. Until now Protoss are dominating Zergs, which is not really deniable.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5438
I'm just hoping the terrans will have more luck than the zergs next round. Can't be bothered to watch PvP. Would be sad if TSL3 is already "over" for me in the Ro4.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5439
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)

Actually Ace won, Moon was 2nd.
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
April 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#5440
On April 18 2011 06:13 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:12 tdt wrote:
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.


Banes vs Storm? You really think that's a good idea?

Banelings on creep could kill protoss before storm land down. Wake up and stop whining
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