• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:05
CEST 01:05
KST 08:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy3uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event14Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple5SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Lambo Talks: The Future of SC2 and more... Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event
Tourneys
SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) ByuN vs TaeJa Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Global Tourney for College Students in September RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 543 users

[TSL] Ro16 Day 4 - Page 270

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 268 269 270 271 272 288 Next
Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5381
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

Cruncher won and the game is balanced so he must be the better player.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5382
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

I think he was sarcastic,lol
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5383
On April 18 2011 06:03 oZii wrote:


Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.


Infestors only have 90 HP and so feedback can often kill them, so in that way HT's are a counter. Additionally, the opportunity cost of one infestor is 1.5 mutas. And FG only works for 4 seconds now, so mass blink stalkers will more than likely still escape unless the zerg has an absurd amount of infestors & lings ready and executes all of the FG's perfectly (he'd need to FG each group of stalkers multiple times).

Morrow tried this against anypro in the first match of the world gsl team tournament and anypro just blinked away and took little more than shield damage.

Infestors are absurdly good against terran (maybe too good), but like many late tier zerg units, pretty terrible against protoss.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5384
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


Ace won?
I
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:12:50
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5385
Its a real shame all the zergs are out of the TSL. I could theory craft bout how Mondi could have won, but Protoss just seems very difficult to deal with right now. So many great tech paths and options

Hats off to Mondragon for his manner though. Truly a class act in and out of the game. Thats always good to see if nothing else.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5386
On April 18 2011 06:10 zeru wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 CScythe wrote:
Months later and people are still saying Zerg need to learn to play. You guys make these threads hard to read.

It's because zergs refuse to use infestor, and its frustrating.


And Protoss don't use Carriers or Warp Prisms. It frustrates me more to see such an ability to have such diversified play not used. People tell Zerg to use Overlord drops and be inventive. No one tells Protoss to use Warp Prisms to beat Roach Hydra Corruptor or use Carriers to harass mineral lines.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5387
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.
MC for president
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:14:07
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5388
Seriosly Im so pissed because I feel like all top zerg player are stupid nobrainers like their race.... HELLO infestor counter blink stalkers, mass phoenix voidrays and are awesome against everything toss have(ok not against HT). Why noone makes em !?!?!

game 1 = Cruncher played terrible , Mondi played awesome.
game 2 = Cruncher played good wining because of imba map and invincible combo, Mondi played awesome but its just not enough.
game 3 = Cruncher wins with cheese thats easy to defend, Mondi reacts in the worst possible way.
game 4 = Both playing awesome but Cruncher was so cost effective that wins even with Mondi massive eco advantage. Overall Cruncher is the superior player today ( or superior race?? )

Cruncher played decent today if we dont count game 1. Clearly deserved this win. GG's !!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5389
Time to get so high all the pain go away

GG, amazing ro16, looking forward to ro8 GREAT JOB TEAM LIQUID
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5390
A very disappointing weekend for the swarm. At least there's Spanishiwa to give us hope that the Zerg dark age might end eventually.
Sky Net
Profile Joined February 2011
United States134 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5391
On April 18 2011 06:03 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 peeeky wrote:
This series of Mondragon was just saddening, he is definitely the better player. Pity he made mistakes in g2 and the cannon rush one.


Sigh. Biased fanboyism.

The better player always wins. Today, Cruncher was the better player.

In a completely balanced game/competition sure the better man wins, but this isn't Chess and that wasn't the case.


Doesn't white always have the advantage in chess?
"Never surrender" -Billy Mitchell
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5392
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


No, Moon placed 2nd. Ace (protoss) won IEM.
A marine walks into a bar and asks: Where's the counter?
MaXy57
Profile Joined January 2011
25 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5393
Zergs need to learn that outplaying their opponents doesn't mean beating them (the last game was terrible though)
Bronze league regular
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5394
On April 18 2011 06:11 branflakes14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 Xadar wrote:
rofl 0 zerg in the tournament, wake up blizzard


Because it's just that simple!

It's not like 1) there are less Zerg players than the other races and 2) Zerg strategy feels somewhat underdeveloped.


Neither of those is true. There were fewer zergs before but not as much anymore. We also saw Mondragon doing significantly different things in his games compared to cruncher.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5395
On April 18 2011 06:12 tdt wrote:
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.


Banes vs Storm? You really think that's a good idea?
Logo
Almisael
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria235 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5396
On April 18 2011 06:11 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.

Nerchio won the Sennheiser Cup #10 yesterday.


you're wrong! stephano won go4sc2 cup about 1.5 hours ago!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5397
--- Nuked ---
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5398
sad sad sad day, no more zergs.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5399
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

He went Voidray Colossus two games, Cannon rush and then finally Phoenix/Stalker/High Templar the final.

You can't honestly say that Mondragon played better than Cruncher the last game, it is getting to incredible levels of pettiness if you think balance was the reason why Mondragon last the final game.
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5400
Mondragon played brilliantly, showcasing a style of zerg that will become more popular in the coming months for sure. However, he was held back by his lack of game experience, especially in the third game during the cannon rush (which was truly the only moment he butchered anything).

Overall, the TSL shows why its the tournament of the whole StarCraft scene, bringing out amazing games from everyone.
@DreamingBird
Prev 1 268 269 270 271 272 288 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 191
Livibee 125
ProTech89
CosmosSc2 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 750
NaDa 62
ggaemo 40
Stormgate
UpATreeSC206
Dota 2
syndereN1233
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K786
Foxcn234
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0567
Other Games
summit1g3179
Grubby1915
shahzam691
ViBE150
Maynarde106
ZombieGrub66
Day[9].tv24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick416
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 69
• Hupsaiya 54
• RyuSc2 45
• musti20045 31
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 24
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV310
League of Legends
• Doublelift4643
• TFBlade756
Other Games
• imaqtpie2087
• Scarra954
• Day9tv24
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
55m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
11h 55m
The PondCast
1d 10h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
SC Evo League
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Contender
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
SC Evo League
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

StarCon 2025 Philadelphia
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.