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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5381
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

Cruncher won and the game is balanced so he must be the better player.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5382
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

I think he was sarcastic,lol
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5383
On April 18 2011 06:03 oZii wrote:


Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.


Infestors only have 90 HP and so feedback can often kill them, so in that way HT's are a counter. Additionally, the opportunity cost of one infestor is 1.5 mutas. And FG only works for 4 seconds now, so mass blink stalkers will more than likely still escape unless the zerg has an absurd amount of infestors & lings ready and executes all of the FG's perfectly (he'd need to FG each group of stalkers multiple times).

Morrow tried this against anypro in the first match of the world gsl team tournament and anypro just blinked away and took little more than shield damage.

Infestors are absurdly good against terran (maybe too good), but like many late tier zerg units, pretty terrible against protoss.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5384
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


Ace won?
I
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:12:50
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5385
Its a real shame all the zergs are out of the TSL. I could theory craft bout how Mondi could have won, but Protoss just seems very difficult to deal with right now. So many great tech paths and options

Hats off to Mondragon for his manner though. Truly a class act in and out of the game. Thats always good to see if nothing else.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5386
On April 18 2011 06:10 zeru wrote:

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On April 18 2011 06:08 CScythe wrote:
Months later and people are still saying Zerg need to learn to play. You guys make these threads hard to read.

It's because zergs refuse to use infestor, and its frustrating.


And Protoss don't use Carriers or Warp Prisms. It frustrates me more to see such an ability to have such diversified play not used. People tell Zerg to use Overlord drops and be inventive. No one tells Protoss to use Warp Prisms to beat Roach Hydra Corruptor or use Carriers to harass mineral lines.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5387
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.
MC for president
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:14:07
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5388
Seriosly Im so pissed because I feel like all top zerg player are stupid nobrainers like their race.... HELLO infestor counter blink stalkers, mass phoenix voidrays and are awesome against everything toss have(ok not against HT). Why noone makes em !?!?!

game 1 = Cruncher played terrible , Mondi played awesome.
game 2 = Cruncher played good wining because of imba map and invincible combo, Mondi played awesome but its just not enough.
game 3 = Cruncher wins with cheese thats easy to defend, Mondi reacts in the worst possible way.
game 4 = Both playing awesome but Cruncher was so cost effective that wins even with Mondi massive eco advantage. Overall Cruncher is the superior player today ( or superior race?? )

Cruncher played decent today if we dont count game 1. Clearly deserved this win. GG's !!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5389
Time to get so high all the pain go away

GG, amazing ro16, looking forward to ro8 GREAT JOB TEAM LIQUID
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#5390
A very disappointing weekend for the swarm. At least there's Spanishiwa to give us hope that the Zerg dark age might end eventually.
Sky Net
Profile Joined February 2011
United States134 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5391
On April 18 2011 06:03 hmunkey wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 peeeky wrote:
This series of Mondragon was just saddening, he is definitely the better player. Pity he made mistakes in g2 and the cannon rush one.


Sigh. Biased fanboyism.

The better player always wins. Today, Cruncher was the better player.

In a completely balanced game/competition sure the better man wins, but this isn't Chess and that wasn't the case.


Doesn't white always have the advantage in chess?
"Never surrender" -Billy Mitchell
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5392
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


No, Moon placed 2nd. Ace (protoss) won IEM.
A marine walks into a bar and asks: Where's the counter?
MaXy57
Profile Joined January 2011
25 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5393
Zergs need to learn that outplaying their opponents doesn't mean beating them (the last game was terrible though)
Bronze league regular
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5394
On April 18 2011 06:11 branflakes14 wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:09 Xadar wrote:
rofl 0 zerg in the tournament, wake up blizzard


Because it's just that simple!

It's not like 1) there are less Zerg players than the other races and 2) Zerg strategy feels somewhat underdeveloped.


Neither of those is true. There were fewer zergs before but not as much anymore. We also saw Mondragon doing significantly different things in his games compared to cruncher.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5395
On April 18 2011 06:12 tdt wrote:
Mondi just played bad especially that 4th game. muta roach vs blinkstalkers & storm GG. Should have built banes and/or infestors. Banes against stalkers with no sentries GG.


Banes vs Storm? You really think that's a good idea?
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Almisael
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria235 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5396
On April 18 2011 06:11 Bobster wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.

Nerchio won the Sennheiser Cup #10 yesterday.


you're wrong! stephano won go4sc2 cup about 1.5 hours ago!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5397
--- Nuked ---
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5398
sad sad sad day, no more zergs.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5399
On April 18 2011 06:10 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


Seriously? I have seen the games where mondragon outplayed cruncher. And "innovative" style is going each game stargate into void/collo? Yeah very innovative..

He went Voidray Colossus two games, Cannon rush and then finally Phoenix/Stalker/High Templar the final.

You can't honestly say that Mondragon played better than Cruncher the last game, it is getting to incredible levels of pettiness if you think balance was the reason why Mondragon last the final game.
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5400
Mondragon played brilliantly, showcasing a style of zerg that will become more popular in the coming months for sure. However, he was held back by his lack of game experience, especially in the third game during the cannon rush (which was truly the only moment he butchered anything).

Overall, the TSL shows why its the tournament of the whole StarCraft scene, bringing out amazing games from everyone.
@DreamingBird
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