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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5341
rofl 0 zerg in the tournament, wake up blizzard
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5342
The part that confused me was that he kept producing mutas. After the form came out, you think he would have gone something else.

Also, Ghosts can be hit by feed back, so I guess Terrans never should build them...wait...
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5343
Aww poor Mondi, was really rooting for him.

GGs today.
RIP MBC Game Hero
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5344
On April 18 2011 06:08 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:07 GP wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:04 dani` wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:03 oZii wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 425kid wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 ampson wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


Maybe get some infestors with that 1.7K gas, commit less to mutalisks against blink stalker/HT. There's plenty of things that he could do better.

HT hard counter infestors. you know that right?



Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.

HTs insta-kill Infestors using Feedback. There is no way you can say HTs do NOT counter Infestors unless you are joking.

Stop using the word "counters" You're making Day9 lose sleep at night.



He's making me lose sleep at night by using the phrase "Fantastic Storms" "Fantastic Forcefields"


It's a little know fact that storming buildings is fantastic.
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GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5345
On April 18 2011 06:06 delayed reflex wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:00 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


He never quite responded to Cruncher's composition. When he went for the big muta base snipe he should have killed the tech off. He could have killed the archives and possibly the cyber core and that would have bought a lot more time for him. Also fungal seems like it should be super effective against these stalker clumps. Sure there's templar there,but each feedback is a storm lost. Probably needed Hydras or the infestors to just be cost effective against those big clumps. Maybe baneling drops would have been a nice edge to add in in the mid late game. Idk tbf Cruncher's air opening is superstrong. It really prevents that 3rd from going up.


I think in theory ultralisks would be the way to go vs stalker+HT, and I think he might have been able to get them out in time after that massive hold at the 4th if he started it after his hive instead of the greater spire (which never saw any use). I gotta say I was impressed at how nicely Cruncher responded in unit comp to Mondi's muta play - mass mutas would do great against void+colossus but Cruncher showed he is more than just a 1-trick pony.

I still feel bad for zergs

I think it would have been better if Mondragon did something with the mutas. He let them pile up and sit in his base and when the mutas were discovered he still just let the mutas sist in his natural for several minutes letting Cruncher build tons of phoenixes.
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#5346
Infestor/Ling/Hydra and/or Ultra would have been a better choice from Mondi against Cruncher than his Roach/Muta/Ling in G4.

Cruncher did outplay Mondi in G4. But sad to see the way Mondi lost in G2 and G3. D:
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5347
--- Nuked ---
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5348
On April 18 2011 06:08 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:05 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:02 Clog wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 lord_ghostmaster wrote:
sadly i was right with my 3-1 prediction for today QQ
why no hydras vs mass stalkers? why so overreacting vs cannonrush?
so sad...


You don't go hydra against high templar.


Nor marine against toss.

-.- cmon now.


No that's actually true, because Hydras can't really dodge the storms, because they're fatter than marines, yet still very fragile. Marines fare much better honestly.

It looked like he trying to go mass ling at the end there, and honestly that was probably the best choice, but he didn't have the upgrades


Watch Idra v MC at Dreamhack. Idra mismicro'd his Broodlords brought his Hydras in to try buy some time for them and gets hit by 3 storms. His Hydras get floored because they can't get away or you have to predict Storms before they happen.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5349
On April 18 2011 06:08 SoL[9] wrote:
Teamliquid now is full of trolls or just retard people. Is sad. But well now we watch SC2 instead of BW so is probably related in somehow.
Mondi <3


The price of mainstream appeal.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:11:47
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5350
nvm.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5351
Mondi needed fewer mutas and more infestors to shut down those blink stalkers.
Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5352
On April 18 2011 06:02 iGod.blue wrote:
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The better player always wins. Today, Cruncher was the better player.


qft




If the better player always wins theres no point in playing the game unless you are redefining 'better player' as whoever wins the game. When people say things like "the better player always wins" its intentionally ambiguous and stupid. If you truly believe that, then you cannot judge players outside of win/loss ratio at all, and cannot compare players other than head to head games, and even further, all comparisons of 2 players mean nothing until the game is even played. So either you truly mean what you say and better stick to that belief and never judge players outside of head to head win/loss or you are a misguided idiot.
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5353
On April 18 2011 06:06 delayed reflex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:00 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


He never quite responded to Cruncher's composition. When he went for the big muta base snipe he should have killed the tech off. He could have killed the archives and possibly the cyber core and that would have bought a lot more time for him. Also fungal seems like it should be super effective against these stalker clumps. Sure there's templar there,but each feedback is a storm lost. Probably needed Hydras or the infestors to just be cost effective against those big clumps. Maybe baneling drops would have been a nice edge to add in in the mid late game. Idk tbf Cruncher's air opening is superstrong. It really prevents that 3rd from going up.


I think in theory ultralisks would be the way to go vs stalker+HT, and I think he might have been able to get them out in time after that massive hold at the 4th if he started it after his hive instead of the greater spire (which never saw any use). I gotta say I was impressed at how nicely Cruncher responded in unit comp to Mondi's muta play - mass mutas would do great against void+colossus but Cruncher showed he is more than just a 1-trick pony.

I still feel bad for zergs

Blink+Inferior upgrades =

I just hope that new maps are going to have a more challenging 3rd for toss to take.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:10:57
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5354
On April 18 2011 06:07 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:04 taintmachine wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:01 zocktol wrote:
I really dislike Crunchers playstyle. I have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make hugh amount of cannons at every base.

My bracket is official BS right now, cause i had MOndi in the finals


i really dislike mondragon's playstyle. i have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make huge amounts of spine crawlers at every base.


It's called defending. And it's effective when your opponent cuts collossi for more stalkers.


yea read what i quoted thanks bye
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5355
On April 18 2011 06:10 Roggay wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:07 Ko1tz wrote:
I guess I'll cheer for Adelscott and BoxeR now. RIP all Zergs o7


What? Isnt Adelscott out already?...


no, he beat qxc last weekend
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5356
On April 18 2011 06:03 Carapas wrote:
Meanwhile in blizzard office,
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


User was temp banned for this post.


this made me laugh in tears
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5357
On April 18 2011 06:08 Eufouria wrote:
I dislike Crunchers turtleing style. I find it irritating that he's able to be that overzealous with cannons and eliminate the threat of drops and harassment completely, but I can't blame him for doing what he needs to do the win and exploiting the strengths of Protoss.


Agree. I don't blame him for doing it, but it bothers me how easily a protoss can turtle with basically no fear of getting punished.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5358

On April 18 2011 06:04 Incursus wrote:
This series upsets me... I mean, I believe in playing to win of course. But it didn't seem fair, Mondragon was playing so well, battering CrunCher left and right. Normally when someone wins a series that convincingly it feels natural to say they played better. But here it doesn't, it doesn't seem fair that Mondragon lost, he's so much better than CrunCher, I'm sorry but it's true. If CrunCher wins this TSL, I will be deeply upset. Hopefully Naniwa will beat him, as Naniwa is actually very good.

CrunCher is just a cheesey player who likes to BM people. I'm bothered by these results.

I cannot wait to see what State of the Game has to say about all this.



How was CrunCher playing worse than MonDragon the last game? I'll give you Shakuras, Mondragon played brilliantly and it was sad to see him lose. But the game on Metaloplais, you can't honestly blame imbalance on that. There wasn't even a deathball, CrunCher just played that very well
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5359
On April 18 2011 06:07 DonaldLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:05 branflakes14 wrote:
I love how people are saying Infestors would've been useless because of Feedback. Is everyone really stuck in this "X hard counters Y" mentality?


Yes. That and "You can't do X because of Y".

That's the biggest problem of Zerg metagame now.

I'm sad for Mondragon. Last game he really could have had it, but he sticked to Roaches and Mutalisks.
I think one of these transitions would most likely won him the game:
Corrupters instead of more Mutalisks (Julys old style)
Hydralisks. Cruchers Colossi came out to late.
Infestors.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
April 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#5360
In my mind there is absolutely no doubt that the game is lost when protoss gets his third, so my judgement may be clouded, but I can't understand why day9 repeatedly talks about hive and infestors. has there been a game where zerg could win, or just did not lose in an absurdly one-sided fashion, by getting hive or infestors?
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