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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5301
On April 18 2011 06:04 Gigaudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:02 Tracedragon wrote:
Ulras/Infestors could have helped Mondi. :3
Great manner from him!


Feedback!

Roachs+corruptor+broodlord woud've perhaps been the best choice?


Are you trolling? All of those are bad against blink stalker
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5302
Hmm... Results for the Mondragon vs. Cruncher match!? Just tuned in and the OP isn't updated.
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5303
im so sad right now, i think i won't watch & play sc2 for a long time now
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5304
On April 18 2011 06:02 littlejunior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 05:59 GwSC wrote:
No Zerg in ro8 TSL3
1 Zerg made it out of pool play in MLG dallas
1 Zerg in last GSL Code S ro8

TT
Sad Zerg here


Indeed my fellow zerg brother.

Dark times for us zerg players.

Sad but true.

Even the ex Terran god MorroW can't help us Zerglings, sadly.
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5305
On April 18 2011 06:04 taintmachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 zocktol wrote:
I really dislike Crunchers playstyle. I have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make hugh amount of cannons at every base.

My bracket is official BS right now, cause i had MOndi in the finals


i really dislike mondragon's playstyle. i have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make huge amounts of spine crawlers at every base.

1 game he did that lol
I have no quote!
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5306
On April 18 2011 06:04 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 Vansetsu wrote:
I think mondi really out thought cruncher a lot of those games. I think mondi is certainly a better player all around, I just think his plan fell apart in game 3 when he tried the meta-muta trick. He had 2 chances to meta the mutas vs phoenix ratio, and both times he got exposed, it also didn't help he wasn't able to get the attack upgrade(s) for the mutas as well (infestors would have worked as well, but I can see why he wasn't able to go that route with what he had to assume was on the field). Oh well, my LB's went through, but Mondi had me scared, certainly showed the better play today.


No, he didn't outthink Cruncher at all. If he out thought Cruncher he would not have lost 3-1. believe it or not, zergs do sometimes win against protoss. In this case, Mondragon did not. Just because he attacks from different angles, then loses them, does not make his play superior. Just because he kills some probes then proceeds to lose 20 mutalisks does not make him a superior player. Being unable to hold off a basic cannon rush does not make him a superior player.

This is ridiculous. someone PLEASE explain how Mondragon outplayed Cruncher here? Watch the VODs again and actually look at what Cruncher is doing.


Moving his Deathball from base to base on Shakuras to "defend" drops while his Nexuses get repeatedly taken out?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5307
On April 17 2011 23:39 Callous wrote:
3 - 1 to Naniwa
3 - 1 To Cruncher

Protoss!

Called it!
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5308
On April 18 2011 06:03 SayTT wrote:
ok this will make ppl happy again, white ra streaming and commentating in english
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/White-Ra


Special tactics yeah! (he also just said it on the stream)
SC2, rip in pepperinos
delayed reflex
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada358 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5309
On April 18 2011 06:00 Sabu113 wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


He never quite responded to Cruncher's composition. When he went for the big muta base snipe he should have killed the tech off. He could have killed the archives and possibly the cyber core and that would have bought a lot more time for him. Also fungal seems like it should be super effective against these stalker clumps. Sure there's templar there,but each feedback is a storm lost. Probably needed Hydras or the infestors to just be cost effective against those big clumps. Maybe baneling drops would have been a nice edge to add in in the mid late game. Idk tbf Cruncher's air opening is superstrong. It really prevents that 3rd from going up.


I think in theory ultralisks would be the way to go vs stalker+HT, and I think he might have been able to get them out in time after that massive hold at the 4th if he started it after his hive instead of the greater spire (which never saw any use). I gotta say I was impressed at how nicely Cruncher responded in unit comp to Mondi's muta play - mass mutas would do great against void+colossus but Cruncher showed he is more than just a 1-trick pony.

I still feel bad for zergs
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5310
Pretty sure the better player won today, and that better player was CrunCher. That's why they played a best of 5. Anyone complaining because of the outcome need to realize CrunCher outplayed Mondragon, especially in the final game. It's sad to see no zergs left..maybe they need to pick their games up a bit to contend?
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5311
Great series. Absolutely sick micro and decision making from Cruncher, he earned those wins 110%.
Kyouya
Profile Joined January 2008
Mexico318 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5312
1 supply roach.
Strike First, Strike Hard, Show No Mercy.
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5313
On April 18 2011 06:05 branflakes14 wrote:
I love how people are saying Infestors would've been useless because of Feedback. Is everyone really stuck in this "X hard counters Y" mentality?


Yes. That and "You can't do X because of Y".
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5314
On April 18 2011 06:06 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:03 SayTT wrote:
ok this will make ppl happy again, white ra streaming and commentating in english
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/White-Ra


Special tactics yeah! (he also just said it on the stream)

i doubt zergs would be happy seeing a protoss play for quite a long time LMAO
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5315
On April 18 2011 06:04 dani` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:03 oZii wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 425kid wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 ampson wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


Maybe get some infestors with that 1.7K gas, commit less to mutalisks against blink stalker/HT. There's plenty of things that he could do better.

HT hard counter infestors. you know that right?



Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.

HTs insta-kill Infestors using Feedback. There is no way you can say HTs do NOT counter Infestors unless you are joking.

Stop using the word "counters" You're making Day9 lose sleep at night.
Vundox
Profile Joined March 2011
United States182 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5316
implying ultras or broodlords are good against mass blink stalker.

mondi might not have come up with the right answer but t3 is definitely not the answer
implying Suzy isn't perfect
Ko1tz
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France493 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5317
I guess I'll cheer for Adelscott and BoxeR now. RIP all Zergs o7
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5318
On April 18 2011 06:04 taintmachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 zocktol wrote:
I really dislike Crunchers playstyle. I have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make hugh amount of cannons at every base.

My bracket is official BS right now, cause i had MOndi in the finals


i really dislike mondragon's playstyle. i have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make huge amounts of spine crawlers at every base.


It's called defending. And it's effective when your opponent cuts collossi for more stalkers.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5319
On April 18 2011 06:02 Tracedragon wrote:
Ulras/Infestors could have helped Mondi. :3
Great manner from him!


Yeah i was wondering the same thing. Why didnt he get hive tech and some Ultra, would leave the high phoenix count useless and the storm are not that good against them, he also only had 1 immortal out and 1 robo. And some fungal could have solved the blinking problem while ultra smashed the stalker ball. Probably he had a low gas amount considering he was pumping so many mutas.

Good games today, too bad i was cheering for Mondragon. =( Grats to cruncher!
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
April 17 2011 21:07 GMT
#5320
Bleh, Mondragon is so much better than Cruncher, he just needs more practice imo. He can easily be one of the greatest.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
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