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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 17 2011 21:03 GMT
#5261
On April 18 2011 06:03 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:02 kodas wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals

Wait dreamhack was White-ra vs MC correct?


Dreamhack was PvP not TvP


there were 2 dreamhack sc2 events so far.

the first was naama vs mana (?)
the second mc vs whitera
Kevmeister @ Dota2
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
April 17 2011 21:03 GMT
#5262
On April 18 2011 05:59 425kid wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:59 ampson wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


Maybe get some infestors with that 1.7K gas, commit less to mutalisks against blink stalker/HT. There's plenty of things that he could do better.

HT hard counter infestors. you know that right?



Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.
XOR3000
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany60 Posts
April 17 2011 21:03 GMT
#5263
Man I have not seen a lot of SC2 because I hate imbalanced games. And no game ever was as balanced as SC1. Seems like I have to wait for the next TSL to start watching SC2 again.
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
April 17 2011 21:03 GMT
#5264
ok this will make ppl happy again, white ra streaming and commentating in english
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/White-Ra
-,-
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
April 17 2011 21:03 GMT
#5265
On April 18 2011 06:00 Punkstar wrote:
to all those geniuses suggesting infestors, its not like cruncher had high templars or anything...


Didn't Mondragon already disprove this way of thinking? Why would he go roaches when his Protoss opponents had void rays?
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5266
cruncher is highest placed north american o.o lol.

wouldn't have guessed it in the beginning of tsl.
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5267
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User was temp banned for this post.
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Incursus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5268
This series upsets me... I mean, I believe in playing to win of course. But it didn't seem fair, Mondragon was playing so well, battering CrunCher left and right. Normally when someone wins a series that convincingly it feels natural to say they played better. But here it doesn't, it doesn't seem fair that Mondragon lost, he's so much better than CrunCher, I'm sorry but it's true. If CrunCher wins this TSL, I will be deeply upset. Hopefully Naniwa will beat him, as Naniwa is actually very good.

CrunCher is just a cheesey player who likes to BM people. I'm bothered by these results.

I cannot wait to see what State of the Game has to say about all this.
Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice...appears under your feet.
Littlebootz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States108 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5269
Excellent showing by Mondragon. Cruncher was just too much.
What if a pro..owns a noob..but there's no ladder?
Nexi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia182 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5270
I really admire the way Mondi played his own style to the very end of his TSL experience. His brood war multitasking talent was plain as day and they were entertaining matches.
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5271
On April 18 2011 06:01 Cranberries wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:59 GwSC wrote:
No Zerg in ro8 TSL3
1 Zerg made it out of pool play in MLG dallas
1 Zerg in last GSL Code S ro8

TT
Sad Zerg here

Two zergs made it to the ro8 at the Stockholm Invitational, one even made it to the ro4!


LOL
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5272
Mondragon has the coolest style I've seen for a while. Really amazing play. Outplayed cruncher in 2 games but still lost because of unkillable void/collo deathball and then got cannon'ed ;/

Mondragon didn't cancel his hatch on Tal darim because he knew there is no good place to drop expansions on that map..
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5273
Mondi is so bad, he should have made infestors, it's not like he had to worry about Cruncher having units that could drain all their energy in one spell.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5274

On April 18 2011 06:00 NexUmbra wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:57 Dommk wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:56 proxY_ wrote:
It's just sad, the whole situation with the state of the game and the matchup is just sad.

What are you talking about? Cruncher played brilliantly that last round. He was always being active with his Phoenix, great storms, almost less than half the units lost.

The Shakuras game irked me, but Cruncher just played better that last game


What do you mean when you say "Great Storms" its just T click T click

When you do force fields sure you need to know where to place them.

Like with emp its E click E click :p


storming is not that easy as you can't storm directly on top of opponent's units
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5275
On April 18 2011 06:01 zocktol wrote:
I really dislike Crunchers playstyle. I have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make hugh amount of cannons at every base.

My bracket is official BS right now, cause i had MOndi in the finals


i really dislike mondragon's playstyle. i have the feeling that his games only last this long, because he needs to make huge amounts of spine crawlers at every base.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5276
On April 18 2011 06:02 Tracedragon wrote:
Ulras/Infestors could have helped Mondi. :3
Great manner from him!


Feedback!

Roachs+corruptor+broodlord woud've perhaps been the best choice?
I
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:05:46
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5277
So this series was played more than 2 weeks ago? Moletrap spoiled the result during an HDStarcraft tourney vid. Thanks to HD Starcraft for still uploading that vid to youtube unedited.

Did cruncher tell moletrap the result, if so can he be DQ'ed ?
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5278
It's over Cruncher advances; I like his style, heavy utilization of air units against Zerg and aggressive expand/cannon into the mix. I prefer that over passive sentry expand. He handled drops well, he could manage economy while doing air harassment. Interesting to see if he could dominate PvT and PvP as well.

Forge -> Cannon is from SC1, 12 years at least. Your fault for not reacting or scouting correctly.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5279
The bright side of all this as a terran player is that i dont have to see terran balance whining for once in a LR thread
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5280
On April 18 2011 06:02 hmunkey wrote:
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On April 18 2011 06:01 Neeh wrote:
Im curious, are infestors just labled as a gawdawful unit forever, or does zergs simply just ignore them? Even after the massive buff it's so so sooo rare to seem them used. I just don't get it ._.

They're really expensive and fungal doesn't do storm-levels of damage, so they're kinda ignored. A lot of players are more worried about not dying instantly to the Protoss push rather than investing into the future.


Fungal almost does do storm levels of damage. Storm gets moved out of generally, so it doesn't stay on the targets for the full duration. Given that, assume 3/4 of the storm lands on average, so 80*3/4 = 60.

Fungal does 36 against non-armored, and 30% more against armored, and roots. Against armored, it does 47 damage, which is about 13 less than storm. Given that fungal also roots and prevents micro (stops the blink) also, you see why it's so good.

Although, High templar were out, which means feedback.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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