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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Bagel
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany18 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5281
They only reason I watched TSL3 was Mondragon

I never played SC2 but he made TSL3 the first games of that game I ever watched

I played bw for years, watched most of Mondis games, every game of TSL1 & 2 but now it's just over TT

SC2 is unbelievable boring to watch (atleast for me) but with Mondi playing I got those bw-feelings back - could watch boxer but I'm afraid that I will just not turn in on this TSL again - sadface! :<
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5282
On April 18 2011 06:03 oZii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 05:59 425kid wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 ampson wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 slimshady wrote:
Very good manners by Mondragon, and it sucks he lost.
Although I'm a protoss, I gotta ask: what could Mondragon do better in the last game? It seems to me that he played very well.


Maybe get some infestors with that 1.7K gas, commit less to mutalisks against blink stalker/HT. There's plenty of things that he could do better.

HT hard counter infestors. you know that right?



Uhh no they don't. They really don't counter each other. As the above poster stated get the infestors to go along with the mutas. Fungal stops the blink zerglings can surround. He was kind of implying that without stating it.

HTs insta-kill Infestors using Feedback. There is no way you can say HTs do NOT counter Infestors unless you are joking.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:06:06
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5283
On April 18 2011 06:01 Vansetsu wrote:
I think mondi really out thought cruncher a lot of those games. I think mondi is certainly a better player all around, I just think his plan fell apart in game 3 when he tried the meta-muta trick. He had 2 chances to meta the mutas vs phoenix ratio, and both times he got exposed, it also didn't help he wasn't able to get the attack upgrade(s) for the mutas as well (infestors would have worked as well, but I can see why he wasn't able to go that route with what he had to assume was on the field). Oh well, my LB's went through, but Mondi had me scared, certainly showed the better play today.


No, he didn't outthink Cruncher at all. If he out thought Cruncher he would not have lost 3-1. believe it or not, zergs do sometimes win against protoss. In this case, Mondragon did not. Just because he attacks from different angles, then loses them, does not make his play superior. Just because he kills some probes then proceeds to lose 20 mutalisks does not make him a superior player. Being unable to hold off a basic cannon rush does not make him a superior player.

This is ridiculous. someone PLEASE explain how Mondragon outplayed Cruncher here? Watch the VODs again and actually look at what Cruncher is doing. You're just throwing out words due to fanboyisms. I don't particularly like Cruncher but people saying he didn't win through outplaying Mondragon are ridiculous.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
April 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#5284
I also like how Naniwa has now become the shining white knight of hope. Amazing what one amazing weekend of games can do for you.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5285
Mondragon didnt open enough doors.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5286
On April 18 2011 06:02 kodas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals

Wait dreamhack was White-ra vs MC correct?

I meant Dreamhack winter
Yeah, the mini-event was PvP
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5287
On April 18 2011 06:03 Carapas wrote:
Meanwhile in blizzard office,
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Mod please ban this guy. Just ignorant
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5288
On April 18 2011 06:02 Clog wrote:
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On April 18 2011 05:58 lord_ghostmaster wrote:
sadly i was right with my 3-1 prediction for today QQ
why no hydras vs mass stalkers? why so overreacting vs cannonrush?
so sad...


You don't go hydra against high templar.


Nor marine against toss.

-.- cmon now.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:06:40
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5289
Cruncher really played that forth game very well, the poking in the beginning was good, the decision-making after he saw those mutas was good and he defended his expansions properly. Wasn't impressed with the first two games and we don't need to talk about the third game.

Especially game 2 makes me mad. You are not supposed to fight cost efficiently as zerg, and Mondragon killed a lot of units, workers and buildings throughout the whole game. And then he just makes the wrong unit one time (corrupters) and the game is just lost. That happens just too easy I think.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5290
I love how people are saying Infestors would've been useless because of Feedback. Is everyone really stuck in this "X hard counters Y" mentality?
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5291
On April 18 2011 05:52 oZii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 05:49 teamamerica wrote:
LOL 7 PHOENIXS RAPE ALL MONDYS MUTAS. Forreal it's kinda dumb that phoenixs being micro'd can't even get hit by mutas. I mean at least Z in bw could micro mutas against corsairs. Plus phoenix build time now hahaha. See Z spawning 20 mutas and have one stargate? NP I JUST CHRONO OUT SOME PHOENIX LOL ZERG.

Anyway game is pretty much over. GG MONDY <3

Cruncher vs Nani LOLOLOL. First time saying but NANI FIGHTING!



You do know that Cruncher had the phoenix and stargate out before Mon had alot of phoenix? Cruncer also scouted the mutas. So yea. Phoenix is meant to counter mutas so yea. Its like oh im being attacked by 6 roaches I chrono 1 immortal 3 stalkers Im good to go.


I'm assuming you meant before Mon had alot of muta. While I agree phoenix is counter to muta I think it's a bit too hard of a counter, esp for a unit that's otherwise so good too. W/e not for this thread.

Gotta give Cruncher some respect for last game I guess. Take it as you will but Cruncher def. know's how to play PvZ in current in state of game.

WP GO NANI. Here's hoping Nani does proxy gates, cannon rush, and a 4 gate. And that he then caps the series off with a "" and calls out Cruncher as a player who thinks he's too good and he's arrogant (just like Cruncher called out IdrA).
RIP GOMTV. RIP PROLEAGUE.
Dinosaur
Profile Joined April 2008
Denmark112 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5292
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Use the TL database: TLPD
Designakrobat
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany558 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5293
On April 18 2011 06:04 loveeholicce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 Cranberries wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 GwSC wrote:
No Zerg in ro8 TSL3
1 Zerg made it out of pool play in MLG dallas
1 Zerg in last GSL Code S ro8

TT
Sad Zerg here

Two zergs made it to the ro8 at the Stockholm Invitational, one even made it to the ro4!


LOL


now this was really hilarious
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" -IdrA
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5294
On April 18 2011 06:04 loveeholicce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 Cranberries wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:59 GwSC wrote:
No Zerg in ro8 TSL3
1 Zerg made it out of pool play in MLG dallas
1 Zerg in last GSL Code S ro8

TT
Sad Zerg here

Two zergs made it to the ro8 at the Stockholm Invitational, one even made it to the ro4!


LOL

guys its fruitdealer won gsl :D
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5295
On April 18 2011 06:03 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:01 Neeh wrote:
Im curious, are infestors just labled as a gawdawful unit forever, or does zergs simply just ignore them? Even after the massive buff it's so so sooo rare to seem them used. I just don't get it ._.


Zergs don't have enough gas for mass infestors with todays builds.


But Mondragon had enough gas for 40 Mutas...?
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5296
On April 18 2011 06:04 ChThoniC wrote:
[image loading]


ZvT is reasonably fair, I think -- Sen vs. Boxer showed that a zerg who plays well can compete against a terran who plays well. Yes, Boxer won in the end, but it was quite close.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5297
so glad the better player won, which usually happens in Best of 5s

I wish mondragon would have done nydus worms, infestor play

at least I got to see cruncher play amazingly and win thanks to it. <3 sc2

GGs by all
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5298
Looking at the zerg players per round at the TSL3 wiki made me sad.

ro32 9 zerg
ro16 3 zerg
ro8 0 zerg

Who should I be cheering for now...

Boxer?
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
April 17 2011 21:05 GMT
#5299
On April 18 2011 06:01 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:00 NexUmbra wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 Dommk wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:56 proxY_ wrote:
It's just sad, the whole situation with the state of the game and the matchup is just sad.

What are you talking about? Cruncher played brilliantly that last round. He was always being active with his Phoenix, great storms, almost less than half the units lost.

The Shakuras game irked me, but Cruncher just played better that last game


What do you mean when you say "Great Storms" its just T click T click

When you do force fields sure you need to know where to place them.

Like with emp its E click E click :p


the whole game is just Button click Button click.

Nah man. That's only when it's the wrong guy winning. When it's your favourite winning it's with perfect storms and awesome force fields. That's how it works here.
LastMan
Profile Joined April 2011
90 Posts
April 17 2011 21:06 GMT
#5300
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals

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