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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
April 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#5401
On April 18 2011 06:10 zeru wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:08 CScythe wrote:
Months later and people are still saying Zerg need to learn to play. You guys make these threads hard to read.

It's because zergs refuse to use infestor, and its frustrating.

And Banelings. I hate banelings the most.
Aeyce
Profile Joined May 2010
United States45 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5402
On April 18 2011 06:10 dementrio wrote:
In my mind there is absolutely no doubt that the game is lost when protoss gets his third, so my judgement may be clouded, but I can't understand why day9 repeatedly talks about hive and infestors. has there been a game where zerg could win, or just did not lose in an absurdly one-sided fashion, by getting hive or infestors?


Fungal Growth shuts down blink, while ultras rip through stalkers like a hot knife through butter. This especially helps when Mondie had his Muta/Roach composition in G4 so that 1) there are less stalkers and 2) not all stalkers can fire at the mutas by blinking under them.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5403
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


There was a thread on TL somewhere i dont recall the name where there was the total number of tournament won for each race this month and last, terran was ahead, protoss in second almost tied up with zerg in 3rd. Terran was quite ahead overall, but we usually want our race to win the big ones. =D
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5404
On April 18 2011 06:07 Tegin wrote:
Pretty sure the better player won today, and that better player was CrunCher. That's why they played a best of 5. Anyone complaining because of the outcome need to realize CrunCher outplayed Mondragon, especially in the final game. It's sad to see no zergs left..maybe they need to pick their games up a bit to contend?

So are you implying that all Zerg players are bad? :/
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:14:36
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5405
On April 18 2011 06:10 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:05 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:02 Clog wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 lord_ghostmaster wrote:
sadly i was right with my 3-1 prediction for today QQ
why no hydras vs mass stalkers? why so overreacting vs cannonrush?
so sad...


You don't go hydra against high templar.


Nor marine against toss.

-.- cmon now.


even hydras dont beat blink stalkers with any semblance of micro from the toss


don't think this is true
MrSpider
Profile Joined January 2011
France173 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5406
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)

who Ace wins:s, but moon did quite well yeah
Les androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5407
On April 18 2011 06:04 Incursus wrote:
This series upsets me... I mean, I believe in playing to win of course. But it didn't seem fair, Mondragon was playing so well, battering CrunCher left and right. Normally when someone wins a series that convincingly it feels natural to say they played better. But here it doesn't, it doesn't seem fair that Mondragon lost, he's so much better than CrunCher, I'm sorry but it's true. If CrunCher wins this TSL, I will be deeply upset. Hopefully Naniwa will beat him, as Naniwa is actually very good.

CrunCher is just a cheesey player who likes to BM people. I'm bothered by these results.

I cannot wait to see what State of the Game has to say about all this.



Well SoTG will probably say the what has been said for about a year now. If you go hatch first the toss has the option to cannon you. This isnt nothing new. The games where close outside of the cannon game. Which cruncher cannon'd the expo because Mondragon hatched first. The last game was great no denying that. As bothieus said in his blog. If you want every match to be EPIC colossus wars vs ultras. Your not gonna find it in Sc2. You will find all epic matches in WWE cause its scripted.

Its like boxing or MMA. Both combatants are in the ring to win the game! Some people love knockouts some love the technical aspect of the fight and want to see it make it past round 3.

Until Don King starts promoting(and bribing them) Sc2 players or Vince McMahon makes a starcraft league not every game is going to have Dramatic drawn out battles.

People need to understand this.
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5408
On April 18 2011 06:12 Gigaudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


Ace won?


Yep Ace won.
<3
Chirio
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany20 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5409
very sad, but a great series. Image how developed Mondragon´s style could be, if he practises regularly.

And stay real. Cruncher played really well.

Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5410
On April 18 2011 06:12 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:10 zeru wrote:

On April 18 2011 06:08 CScythe wrote:
Months later and people are still saying Zerg need to learn to play. You guys make these threads hard to read.

It's because zergs refuse to use infestor, and its frustrating.


And Protoss don't use Carriers or Warp Prisms. It frustrates me more to see such an ability to have such diversified play not used. People tell Zerg to use Overlord drops and be inventive. No one tells Protoss to use Warp Prisms to beat Roach Hydra Corruptor or use Carriers to harass mineral lines.


...I'm going to assume that's sarcasm and you aren't trying to actually be clever.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:15:10
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5411
King of Manner
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 21:14 GMT
#5412
--- Nuked ---
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5413
On April 18 2011 06:08 Zane wrote:
Cruncher is my new favourite player. Today he showcased innovative play, great multi-tasking, superb micro. I was a Mondragon fan but today he got outplayed so bad. (:


...
"I'm a fan of whoever's currently winning" much?
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5414
On April 18 2011 06:13 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:12 Denzil wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:10 zeru wrote:

On April 18 2011 06:08 CScythe wrote:
Months later and people are still saying Zerg need to learn to play. You guys make these threads hard to read.

It's because zergs refuse to use infestor, and its frustrating.


And Protoss don't use Carriers or Warp Prisms. It frustrates me more to see such an ability to have such diversified play not used. People tell Zerg to use Overlord drops and be inventive. No one tells Protoss to use Warp Prisms to beat Roach Hydra Corruptor or use Carriers to harass mineral lines.

They already use warp prisms. And protoss dont need to switch up their play because it currently works, and until it gets figured out how to beat it they can do what they are doing atm.


And Zerg already uses Overlords drops and Infestors. What else do you want us to do to beat the Deathball?

User was temp banned for this post.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
BGrael
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany229 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5415
On April 18 2011 06:12 Gigaudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:11 Jiddra wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:09 MrSpider wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:00 hugman wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:58 Seam wrote:
On April 18 2011 05:57 purgerinho wrote:
can someone tell me when was the last time Z player won some tournament in Korea or outside Korea.


Dreamhack, I think?


Dreamhack had a TvP finals


=>GSL worold team league, Zergs ruled over evrybody(Sen, Dimaga, July, and Nestea for the finish)
=>Loisira the GSL code A (Lol OK)

=>Stephano(Zerg) wins 3 sunday go4sc2 and 1 wednesday in nearly one month.
=>Dimaga wins the january go4sc2 final.
=>Ret wins assembly winter
=>Nerchio had also a lot of sucess those 2 last month


Moon won IEM (koreans and white dudes)


Ace won?


Lol yeah, Ace won. But Moon actually played great that tournament.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5416
Mondragon totally outclassing Cruncher with his manner. Compare that to Cruncher and Idra
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5417
I'm kinda disappoint the games were great and stuff but why did u let someone know the results before the games were casted....
About the games i rly enjoyed all of them i think if Mondi had more time to prepare and pracc more he would have won I mean just look at his reaction to the cannon rush.The Goody vs Naniwa series were also great some bad judegment from goody cost him the game.Looking foward to the others sets.
`Forte
Profile Joined August 2010
United States128 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5418
Fungal range is 9 with a radius of 2. Feedback range is 9.

In order to feedback Infestors so they don't fungal your stalkers, the HTs have to be in the front. Problem with that is that Zerg can just pull back Infestors and kill your frontal HTs. If you leave HTs in the back, your Stalkers can get Fungalled and he runs away. At max range Infestors can fungal HTs without getting hit anyway. If Infestors fungal anything they can spend their energy and not die to feedback. They can also spam Infested Terran to not die to feedback if they can't get in fungal range (lol). )It kind of works the other way around though--if your HTs get close enough and Zerg doesn't pick them off instantly, your Infestors die. And HTs can always just storm at range 9 and radius 1.5.

It's not as cold-cut as "X unit counters Y unit." This is good for SC2 as a spectator sport. HTs vs. Infestors or HTs vs. Ghosts will always be infinitely more interesting than a Toss player using Colossi (cause they simply counter MM and get killed by vikings, and no amount of micro changes that).

Fungal growth is good vs. Stalkers anyway, especially with the recent buff. There's usually that time after the first Toss push where you kill their Colossi but you can't win cause they reinforce with blink stalkers, and you both retreat. Fungals prevent the Stalkers from retreating with blink, and they take full damage from roach/hydra.

Honestly, I look forward to the day in SC2 when we can watch a game and nobody says, "THIS PROVES THAT X IS IMBALANCED." It's annoying. In a game with limitless possibilities and choices at any given time, how can one set of 5 games showing 5 different possibilities out of thousands prove imbalance in any way?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5419
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote:
King of Manner
Show nested quote +
Kennigit says (4:57 PM):
you did well ^^ . Everyone on twitter was cheering for you

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
nah after the games vs cruncher
i found out how to play
XD

Kennigit says (4:58 PM):
hahah

Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
wouldnt have lost now!
^^
roaches + infestors only are the key to everything
Mondragon says (4:58 PM):
found out too late taht infestors are the key
!
Kennigit says (4:59 PM):
protoss death ball is -_-

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yes
protoss deathball isnt tough anymore
if you make 10 infestors ^^
either infestors + roaches only

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
haha

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
or just broodlords only + infestors only
both are fine
but i found out 3 days too late

Kennigit says (5:00 PM):
ahh ;;;
oh well, next time ^^

Mondragon says (5:00 PM):
yep yep
-----

Take your zerg tears elsewhere


Thanks for posting that <3
Evildream
Profile Joined May 2010
United States20 Posts
April 17 2011 21:15 GMT
#5420
Well was really rooting for Mondi but Cruncher was able to hold it down. Great games to watch, all in all couldn't have asked for much more.
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