EPT[TSL] Ro16 Day 4 - Page 273
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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF! Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy! | ||
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peeeky
Canada631 Posts
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
It is absolutely true if there are even a few sentries scattered in amongst the stalkers. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:04 Heavenly wrote: No, he didn't outthink Cruncher at all. If he out thought Cruncher he would not have lost 3-1. believe it or not, zergs do sometimes win against protoss. In this case, Mondragon did not. Just because he attacks from different angles, then loses them, does not make his play superior. Just because he kills some probes then proceeds to lose 20 mutalisks does not make him a superior player. Being unable to hold off a basic cannon rush does not make him a superior player. This is ridiculous. someone PLEASE explain how Mondragon outplayed Cruncher here? Watch the VODs again and actually look at what Cruncher is doing. You're just throwing out words due to fanboyisms. I don't particularly like Cruncher but people saying he didn't win through outplaying Mondragon are ridiculous. Okay. Let's look at game 2 When Crucher was getting his 4th base, it was attacked by a large forces of roaches. All cannons were either canceled or killed. It was obvious the nexus would die. The roaches run by it to the bottom right main, and Cruncher lets it finish. 300 minerals he threw away. At many points in the game, he lost colossi to roaches in areas he clearly could have ran the colossus away, such as down cliffs or towards cannons. Unnecessarily lost colossi. He placed a crapton of cannons at his third up at the top. Don't know the exact count, but i recall it being in the realm of 10-15. That's 1500 or more minerals of static defense clumped into one small area that is easily avoided by drop play. Cruncher got an early stargate against a player that is well known for drop play against early stargates. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together. At one point in the game, Cruncher sent his entire air fleet (plus obs) to the top left base to deal with the small handful of roaches, maybe 8 or so, that had finished killing the rocks leading towards his 3rd. Cannons were already up - the roaches clearly would not be able to do any damage. By doing this, he leaves his natural almost completely undefended, save for like 3 cannons, and he gets punished for it. He even knew there were some roaches gathering near the ramp to the natural, as he had seen them burrow there with the stargate units before sending them to the top left. Now, I'm sure Mondragon made a few mistakes as well, but when you watch these games, you need to be objective. Don't blindly assume the player that won played better. Now, Mondragon definitely messed up with the cannon rush, and he didn't play that well in the fourth game. But if you think Cruncher played better for this series as a whole, you're kidding yourself. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:16 hmunkey wrote: So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right? Take your crap somewhere else. Mondi FIGHTING!@ <3 <3. Hope this means he will keep playing sc2. | ||
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Nik0
Uruguay460 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere no disrespect for mondi, but i'll believe it when i see it | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:11 entropius wrote: Are you trolling? The likelihood that all of the zerg players who tried to qualify for TSL just need to "step up their games" is pretty low, statistically; that would require that all of the high-level zergs are slackers for some mysterious reason. Or are you saying that there's just something about the zerg race that makes players who select it play poorly? I said the better play won today, which was clearly CrunCher. I also said for zerg players to pick up their game. I'm not going to get into some stupid imba debate. If Blizzard finds zerg underpowered, changes will be made. Until then, zerg players need to pick up their game and play to win, just like CrunCher did today. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
 Maybe this zerg genocide will finally spark some different play. | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:15 Horse...falcon wrote: Geez guys, Protoss is NOT unbeatable. You just need nydus, drops, burrowed roaches, infestors, hive tech, brood lords, ultralisks, 6 bases, and emp. Duh. hahaha wp | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:10 Zeri wrote: If the better player always wins theres no point in playing the game unless you are redefining 'better player' as whoever wins the game. When people say things like "the better player always wins" its intentionally ambiguous and stupid. If you truly believe that, then you cannot judge players outside of win/loss ratio at all, and cannot compare players other than head to head games, and even further, all comparisons of 2 players mean nothing until the game is even played. So either you truly mean what you say and better stick to that belief and never judge players outside of head to head win/loss or you are a misguided idiot. You are the misguided one here. "The better player always wins. Today, Cruncher was the better player." TODAY in this best of 5 Cruncher played better, thus he won. Simple as that. | ||
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`Forte
United States128 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere You have no idea how much this excites me. I look forward to watching MonDragon's next ZvP game. | ||
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere Very manner by Mondi. You should ask him to release a few replays of him playing that style against the deathball. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:16 IceMan80 wrote: So sad. Mondragon's macro so much better than Cunrcher's, but he still lost. H8 it, Toss did NOTHING but turtling and won. Really? Please prove that his macro was much better than Cruncher's. Strange that they gave you the replays so you could look over them and analyze who macro'd better. And macroing up mutas versus blink stalkers and ht, no amount of macro is going to win that for you bud. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:16 hmunkey wrote: So I guess Mondragon will be winning everything now? I mean, he has the secret to beating toss that even IdrA and Ret don't seem to have, right? Implying that Mondragon (when he practices) is an inferior player to IdrA and Ret is hilarious. Especially when it comes to figuring things out. | ||
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:14 Kennigit wrote: King of Manner Take your zerg tears elsewhere Oh man, I would like to see a replay badly now. I have been going bling/Ultra/Hydra, and it rocks, but its hard to get there. Would love to see Mondi with Infestor play. | ||
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Miketorreza
United States26 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:17 hitman133 wrote: Banelings on creep could kill protoss before storm land down. Wake up and stop whining HAHAHAHAHA User was warned for this post | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:12 SkelA wrote: Seriosly Im so pissed because I feel like all top zerg player are stupid nobrainers like their race.... HELLO infestor counter blink stalkers, mass phoenix voidrays and are awesome against everything toss have(ok not against HT). Why noone makes em !?!?! game 1 = Cruncher played terrible , Mondi played awesome. game 2 = Cruncher played good wining because of imba map and invincible combo, Mondi played awesome but its just not enough. game 3 = Cruncher wins with cheese thats easy to defend, Mondi reacts in the worst possible way. game 4 = Both playing awesome but Cruncher was so cost effective that wins even with Mondi massive eco advantage. Overall Cruncher is the superior player today ( or superior race?? ) Cruncher played decent today if we dont count game 1. Clearly deserved this win. GG's !! because all the people that happen to play zerg are nobrainers | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
really...1 storm and its game over | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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littlejunior
Brazil50 Posts
On April 18 2011 06:05 nvs. wrote: Looking at the zerg players per round at the TSL3 wiki made me sad. ro32 9 zerg ro16 3 zerg ro8 0 zerg Who should I be cheering for now... Boxer? Of couse! Go Boxer! ! ! Emperor FTW! | ||
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