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CoB-Vince
Profile Joined July 2010
143 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#821
olololol, i found a spoiler :D
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#822
On April 10 2011 03:35 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 03:32 Beyonder wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:31 illu23 wrote:
However said Immortals "counter" Thors must be kicking himself.

They do, you just need a good position and not be outmacro'd.


Is this really true? Serious question, mech vs p has always frightened me.


Yes it is, if you have enough upgrades and a good angle for you zealots. The terran will cannon some immortals, but the dps of the surviving immortals will eventually beat the thors.
ishkabibble
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada161 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#823
On April 10 2011 03:34 Azurues wrote:
Mass hallucination of immortals/collosus would also confuse the thor cannon


That's a big part of the reason for the raven. Thor viking is insanely good, you need chargelots and immortals to counter it.
MadChem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany218 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#824
Finally a pro who uses a Thor based strat vs a Protoss.
I really got frustrated, that it would not be viable on higher skill lvls.
I nearly switched to bio. Thank you ThorZaiN for giving me
confidence back to continue using it...
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Oppenheimer
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#825
On April 10 2011 03:34 lurked wrote:
After looking at this game, I'm scared. I know that Tyler didn't answer in the best way, but I'm trying to think of ways to counter this build, and I'm having troubles to think of anything ^^

Chargelots + Immortals + A lot of Void Rays?

I'm expecting come across this build quite often in the ladder now... -_-

I think it comes down to timing. As the thor numbers rise, you get in more and more trouble. As soon as he saw it, I think pumping out 2-4 immortals and just going in would have helped a lot. Mass thor is just silly if you let it get out of hand, which we just saw.
oGm`REM
Profile Joined March 2011
United States870 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#826
I see a lot of people doing this 1 barrack 1 command center opening against Protoss. What's the counter to this as Protoss?
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Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#827
Tyler's 2 gate blink stalker allin build?
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#828
On April 10 2011 03:36 crawlingchaos wrote:
Ahhh I just got home from an exam, missed the first game. Am I correct in assuming Thorzain is pursuing mech strategies so far?

Yeah went Thors with strike cannon in game 1 and CRUSHED.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#829
On April 10 2011 03:34 lurked wrote:
After looking at this game, I'm scared. I know that Tyler didn't answer in the best way, but I'm trying to think of ways to counter this build, and I'm having troubles to think of anything ^^

Chargelots + Immortals + A lot of Void Rays?

I'm expecting come across this build quite often in the ladder now... -_-

You just can't let a terran reach a critical mass of thors.

Once they hit a large enough number immortals and zealots don't really do much, so you need air but that has it's own issues.

So you just have to make sure he can't get that critical mass.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44915 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#830
Tyler getting fast hidden twilight council!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Jombozeus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
China1014 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#831
On April 10 2011 03:33 chonkyfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 03:30 Jombozeus wrote:
I'm going to be a thorzain fanboy here. I remember tyler saying that mech is dumb and impossible against protoss a few months ago when I posted it as a suggestion for Jinro vs MC.

Then Jinro proceeded to roll over MC with mech. This is karma tyler

Still love you though.



I heard him say the exact opposite and mech was the future of TvP like a month ago


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174968

:D
Whathe
Profile Joined March 2011
United States60 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#832
On April 10 2011 03:37 oGm`REM wrote:
I see a lot of people doing this 1 barrack 1 command center opening against Protoss. What's the counter to this as Protoss?


3gate agression or 4-gate.
ROMANCE
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 18:38:20
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#833
On April 10 2011 03:36 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 03:34 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: Terminus RE
[image loading] (P)TLAF-Liquid`Tyler 0 vs 1 [image loading] (T)Prae.ThorZaIN

(P)TLAF-Liquid`Tyler spawns as Red Protoss @6
(T)Prae.ThorZaIN spawns as Blue Terran @9

2:30
Tyler with 10-gate-gas, places a pylon into his smoke wall. Thorzain with 1-rax-FE.

4:30
Tyler with Cybercore, and now making a second gateway. Thorzain makes gas-rax-gas. Bunkers his nat. Tyler with a Twilight Council behind the smoke wall in his main.

Thorzain getting stim, Tyler getting stim.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
April 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#834
nice build by thorzain but...he totally blew me away with how he did it, there are so many questions how to play mech vs P and he answered them all. how to get a fast expo with the mech production getting started? how to not get outmacroed? perfect scouting, perfect macro with a totally new build. the armor upgrades, like he knew tyler would go colossi...

this was brilliance in every bit of his game and i'm protoss player
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#835
I think Tyler will be doing the same thing he did agaisnt Jinro on this very map.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19144 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#836
On April 10 2011 03:36 Whathe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 03:34 tofucake wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:33 mordk wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:30 Antisocialmunky wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:29 mordk wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:27 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Heh, Thor Mech is unstoppable if you max.


It's stoppable, it's called chargelot/immortal, throw some VRs in the mix and its over. Tyler's just playing this game the wrong game



That's questionable, if you have the Thor/Hellion/Viking mix, it is not easy at all to stop. A 200/200 army with a Thor center will start to 2 volley carriers 0.0.


When charge is up hellions stop being that important, all zealots need to do is hit once, if you got enough warpgates you can just resupply indefinitely, some mix in some HTs as well, dunno why, but it seems to work nicely. Once hellions die zealots surround thors and it's over.

Except Thors 1 shot HT and 2 shot Stalkers and Zealots :|


They 2shot stalkers and zealots?

Er...no. Bad math is bad. +3 Thors 3 shot Zealots and Stalkers. Forgot that whole shields thing...
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44915 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#837
Tyler going fast 3gate blink.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#838
Blink stalkers o0? That works against thors yeah but thorzain is going bio
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#839
You have to put on early aggression if T goes mech in TvP. When you wait for a 200/200 army T has an advantage (maybe P sometimes can do something with positioning, blink-stalker-micro...) but all in all it feels like PvZ 200/200 battles, just that P doesnt stand a chance this time.
illu23
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany71 Posts
April 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#840
On April 10 2011 03:36 crawlingchaos wrote:
Ahhh I just got home from an exam, missed the first game. Am I correct in assuming Thorzain is pursuing mech strategies so far?


Super Heavy Mech, yeah. Thors, BF Hellions, and a Raven.
Odi et amo. Quare id faciam fortasse requiris. Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.
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