EPTROOT, Sheth and Stalife fighting!
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
ROOT, Sheth and Stalife fighting! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 05 2011 21:02 susySquark wrote: @Biscuit the best way to deal with hate is to ignore it and prove them wrong. Posting and defending yourself here does nothing but make you look argumentative and defensive. There's a reason drama seems to follow you around, and thats half your fault. I disagree. Internet communities have hivemind tendencies and will believe any bullshit in worrying numbers as long as it's repeated enough and not opposed. See "TotalBiscuit has quit casting". There's nothing irrational or defensive about anything I said. It's a discussion, I am bringing you my perspective to it. Why would I not? As one of the casters, with more knowledge about how the tournament will work than anyone else besides Ed and Alex who have posted here so far, surely my input is valuable in some way. There is no flaming going on, no martyrdom, no bashing of other casters or points of view. If a caster is not allowed to do that by the community because he will be viewed as 'argumentative' and 'causing drama' because of it, then the community doesn't want an informed discussion. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
On April 05 2011 20:22 blackone wrote: Except for those who just like to watch Starcraft. Why on earth would I not want to see a game because the players live somewhere else? Tons of people from America are watching GSL even though it is the middle of the night for them and it is mostly Koreans playing. If you read my post correctly i clearly stated, that the biggest reason for a lack of european viewers is the really bad timing schedule, that is completly and only revised for the american audience and ignores everything else completly. And even though there may be SOME europeans crazy enough about starcraft, that they stay up until ~05.00 CET in the middle of the night, even though they have to work at ~07.30 CET at the next day, 99% of the potential european viewers wont. You may debate about the actual xx% but there should be no doubt, that it is in fact abvoe 90%. But if you want to talk about the players that badly, why not, i will support your trolling. IMO its pretty damn obvious, that the final will be Idra vs. Kiwikaki. And no, i'm no Idra fanboy, i actually dislike him - his image - quite a bit. Other then that, the only players being on that level are Select, inC and perhaps drewbie. For the most part, most of the matches will probably be really onsided, if one of those players plays against anyone else in that lineup. Regarding the whole discussion about casters: You guys should realize, that its just a question of taste. Theres no point in debatting anyway , since the casters are set and thats it. Just watch it - if you can - and judge about them after they have done their best, but dont troll only based on prejudice, thats stupid. On that regard, thanks TB for you continuasly effort to answer questions in here, much appreciated. And in fact, that is a very nice alternative, to the normal ratio of 1:500 between posts from people who actually have some infos, and people just blabbering the same way i'm doing right now  | ||
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
but what annoys me lately is, there are so much tournaments going up and all of them have the invitational style. so we see the same names again and again. would love to see some preliminaries like the GSL had for season 1-3 ! that would give some talented guys a bit more of a perspective or am i wrong? i understand that you only have viewers when you have playing big names that everybody wants to see. but its getting annoying to read a tournament setup and theres always the same names on the invitational. and sorry if im wrong but the players didnt even win much lately so its getting weird to me | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2011 21:47 Latty wrote: this is really really nice ! but what annoys me lately is, there are so much tournaments going up and all of them have the invitational style. so we see the same names again and again. would love to see some preliminaries like the GSL had for season 1-3 ! that would give some talented guys a bit more of a perspective or am i wrong? i understand that you only have viewers when you have playing big names that everybody wants to see. but its getting annoying to read a tournament setup and theres always the same names on the invitational. and sorry if im wrong but the players didnt even win much lately so its getting weird to me Read the Q&A please. It is in the first post. So many people ask questions that are already answered  | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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unoriginalname
England380 Posts
I'd imagine viewer counts would obviously be higher if you improved those, but more professional StarCraft 2 leagues are a nice thing to have, perhaps the Murdoch-empire isn't completely evil... unless they go KESPA style. Also I see it is double elimination and I have not trawled through the 21 pages to see whether extended-series is in play or not for the IGN Pro League. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On April 05 2011 21:38 eGo.SiGns wrote: If you read my post correctly i clearly stated, that the biggest reason for a lack of european viewers is the really bad timing schedule, that is completly and only revised for the american audience and ignores everything else completly. I'm sorry for not knowing how to "correctly" read your post, I thought that you were referring to the fact that there are no europeans in the lineup. The time is a valid point even though it is not "ignoring everything else completely", it is scheduled at prime time in America, just like the GSL is at prime time in korea and the TSL ist at prime time in Europe. Thats bad for those in other time zones, but if there are americans staying up for GSL and even some Koreans staying up for TSL I'm absolutely sure that there are europeans that are staying up for IPL/NASL. | ||
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
Thank you IGN. | ||
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littlejunior
Brazil50 Posts
And no Day[9]? Another set back But, GL to IGN! Go Go SC2 ! ! ! | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2011 22:43 blackone wrote: I'm sorry for not knowing how to "correctly" read your post, I thought that you were referring to the fact that there are no europeans in the lineup. The time is a valid point even though it is not "ignoring everything else completely", it is scheduled at prime time in America, just like the GSL is at prime time in korea and the TSL ist at prime time in Europe. Thats bad for those in other time zones, but if there are americans staying up for GSL and even some Koreans staying up for TSL I'm absolutely sure that there are europeans that are staying up for IPL/NASL. TSL is not at prime time for Europe because that is prime time for EU, but because at that time all 3 timezones (NA, EU, KR) do not have to watch it in the middle of the night and that works well for NA as it is early afternoon for them during weekends. I know that would not work for NA during workdays so I understand why IPL is going to be at prime time NA. Unfortunately NASL will also be like this but it will restream next day for EU and others. I guess for IPL I will need to watch VODs or go to bed early and get up in the middle of the night, and that is something most EU people would not do. | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
Gl to you guys. | ||
bmonkeyy
United States1 Post
On April 05 2011 09:27 SpinmovE wrote: Whenever I listen to a HD or TB cast I end up turning it off within the first 2 minutes. They just do not have game knowledge and listening to them spouting completely incorrect "facts" about the game is aggravating as anything can be. Painuser is a great caster because he is a pro player, he has insight into all the matches at a high level and you can actually pick up correct information from him. I've never heard DJW solo cast so I can't really comment on him as much, but I have never been so frustrated him as to turn a stream off. Basically I will not be tuning into an HD or TB casts because they don't know what the hell they are talking about. As an example the last HD cast I listened to he was shocked that a terran walled off against a toss. What. The. Fuck. And despite the fact that he was co casting with Painuser I couldn't stand listening to him any longer. Sure you may want casters for mass appeal, and thus chose HD and TB based on their fan bases but please for the love of life force them to have a cocaster that knows something about the game. I can't really express how frustrating it is to watch a high level TvP and be hearing thing like "The toss just put his cyber down, looks like there wont be any 2 gate pressure", or "The terran can wall off here." as HD shows an area where you would NEVER wall off for any god damn reason. If you alienate the hardcore fan by using casters that appeal more to people that never watch SC2 then the hardcore fan wont be telling non SC players to tune in. I know I will never tell an interested friend to watch this league over GSL, or NASL, or Assembly, or IEM simply because the casters will confuse them and they will never get a solid grasp of what is happening in the game. I've been lurking for about six months; finally i'm breaking down and have to comment. The absolute smugness of people talking about casters such as HD (who literally has half a million subscribers) is out of control. Also FYI; since you don't watch his casts...he is in masters league. So tired of the day[9] deification. Alot of the time he comes off like an ass- just like you. = ) | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
On April 05 2011 23:12 bmonkeyy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2011 09:27 SpinmovE wrote: Whenever I listen to a HD or TB cast I end up turning it off within the first 2 minutes. They just do not have game knowledge and listening to them spouting completely incorrect "facts" about the game is aggravating as anything can be. Painuser is a great caster because he is a pro player, he has insight into all the matches at a high level and you can actually pick up correct information from him. I've never heard DJW solo cast so I can't really comment on him as much, but I have never been so frustrated him as to turn a stream off. Basically I will not be tuning into an HD or TB casts because they don't know what the hell they are talking about. As an example the last HD cast I listened to he was shocked that a terran walled off against a toss. What. The. Fuck. And despite the fact that he was co casting with Painuser I couldn't stand listening to him any longer. Sure you may want casters for mass appeal, and thus chose HD and TB based on their fan bases but please for the love of life force them to have a cocaster that knows something about the game. I can't really express how frustrating it is to watch a high level TvP and be hearing thing like "The toss just put his cyber down, looks like there wont be any 2 gate pressure", or "The terran can wall off here." as HD shows an area where you would NEVER wall off for any god damn reason. If you alienate the hardcore fan by using casters that appeal more to people that never watch SC2 then the hardcore fan wont be telling non SC players to tune in. I know I will never tell an interested friend to watch this league over GSL, or NASL, or Assembly, or IEM simply because the casters will confuse them and they will never get a solid grasp of what is happening in the game. I've been lurking for about six months; finally i'm breaking down and have to comment. The absolute smugness of people talking about casters such as HD (who literally has half a million subscribers) is out of control. Also FYI; since you don't watch his casts...he is in masters league. So tired of the day[9] deification. Alot of the time he comes off like an ass- just like you. = ) I understand where you are coming from but Day9 has been a pivotal member of the community and the general consensus on this forum IMO is that Day9 is one of the best casters out there along with Artosis and Tasteless combo (though I have seen some things that say Tasteless isn't at that level). The small amount that I have watched about HD is average, but I think the real difference is viewable when you see the day9 daily on the same game that Husky casted, the difference in styles between the "hardcore" casters and the the YouTube casters are apparent. There are several people in masters league, and there are very few pros... Masters isn't a HUGE achievement, just shows that you are better than many people. EDIT: Spelling o.O | ||
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KDN
Norway96 Posts
I will be watching the vods from this tournament with the sound off, except if Wheat for some reason is able to solo cast some games. I personally don't find the rest of the casters entertaining. In other more popular sports you are able to select the commentators that you want because of the amount of interest into the game. Lets hope that esports some time in the future gets to that level. Until that time it is the duty of folks on this forum to try and spread the sport as much as possible. I will at least be watching the IdrA, InControl, TT1, SeleCt and KiWiKaKi games. | ||
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
On April 05 2011 21:54 -Archangel- wrote: Read the Q&A please. It is in the first post. So many people ask questions that are already answered i didnt even ask a question ...... maybe my english writing is to confusing, well then im sorry | ||
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PoisedYeTi
Australia167 Posts
IGN have high production values and i have no doubt they can show us a great tournament experience. Thankyou for showing an interest in SC2 and best of luck to your tourney. I will be cheering from Australia ^^ | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 05 2011 23:11 moltenlead wrote: It seems like a really idealistic idea to not have to pay for the stream. Will there be an absurd amount of ads or a donations thing or something to make the league actually earn money rather than solely spending it? Gl to you guys. IGN alongside other things, has a large advertising division and they are very skilled with their revenue generation without it being too obtrusive. I wouldn't be concerned about IGN needing donations, they are a massive network with plenty of backing and they also have proven video-hosting capabilities. | ||
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PoisedYeTi
Australia167 Posts
On April 05 2011 21:07 TotalBiscuit wrote: I disagree. Internet communities have hivemind tendencies and will believe any bullshit in worrying numbers as long as it's repeated enough and not opposed. haha Joseph Goebbels - If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. EDIT: errr i think i need more content in this post..... ... <3 Totalbiscuit ^^ | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
On April 05 2011 22:57 littlejunior wrote: It is an amazing step for eSports and SC2, but the line up is kinda meh . . . And no Day[9]? Another set back But, GL to IGN! Go Go SC2 ! ! ! Sean, as you may know, is currently extremely busy with his schedule, but here's to hoping we'll be able to work with him (and other great casters) for future IPL events! | ||
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