EPTAxlaw I must say I do not know as much but other people say he is a great player.
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Croatia7457 Posts
Axlaw I must say I do not know as much but other people say he is a great player. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
Major positive - release of replays Criticism - the only commentator that has any game understanding is PainUser, but with the replays being released this is somewhat negated | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2011 17:55 KaelSC wrote: Leading on from that you talk about the pros knowing the analysis, and they just want to listen to someone hyping up the game and making it exciting, thus attempting to validate your position. However, didn't you just say that IGN are wanting to appeal to the larger demographic? (via the statement about potentially tapping in to the 2nd and 3rd youtube channels etc). There's probably a very VERY small percentage of gamers out there that know all the ins and outs of the strategy when it comes to SC2, and as such, events like this are a fantastic way to "educate" that knowledge, with lack of a better word on my part  I think you assume here that casual viewers want to learn and listen to all the ins and outs of this or that tactic. My guess would be that a casual viewer wants to be entertained in the best way possible. If that is talking about tactics and such then that should be done, but I feel that is not the case. | ||
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discw
United States122 Posts
On April 05 2011 07:23 Alex.IGN wrote:Q: Why call it a Pro League? A: We understand that Pro League means something different in a Korean StarCraft 1 context. However, we felt that that association is not as relevant anymore and as this is a professional player's league, Pro League was a natural fit. Sorry for anyone who was confused by the title, but we are not following the Korean StarCraft 1 naming conventions. This is something small but very encouraging. The traditions and history of Korean Starcraft 1 do deserve respect and provide endless information for those trying to popularize e-sports elsewhere, but blindly following every bit would be foolish and damaging to growing e-sports in North America. E-Sports in NA needs to stand on it's own a bit and recognize the difference in cultures, and I'm glad to see both the IGL and the NASL doing so. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On April 05 2011 17:16 underdawg wrote: Honestly wondering how big the "mainstream" market is, aka non day 9/artosis fans are. It's not like their YouTube views tell the story. Also asking players who their favorite caster is when you are a caster is sure to be lulz. But yeah. If it's big, or can become big, that's cool too. Actually, both Artosis and Day[9] are amazing casters, they are not only analytic, but also make the games so much more entertaining to watch. | ||
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Longshank
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 05 2011 17:55 KaelSC wrote: Meh, i'll bite. To begin with, you mention that IGN wants to tap into the 2nd and 3rd most subscribers player bases from Youtube with their casters choice, however the large majority of your subscribers are from the WoW background, and in fact you even stated a while back that the majority of your subs come to your channel for WoW and MMO, not SC2. I understand the counter argument to that when saying "Reaching more people, appealing to potentially new fans" etc, but to claim such a thing as stated previously is a tad misleading considering the context. This is inaccurate. In terms of raw views on YT, the 3 most popular casters are, in order, Husky, HD, TotalBiscuit (with Psy coming in at around the same numbers as me). My vods pull in 50k+ each and that is growing every week. You can go and see for yourself if you'd like. The whole 'oh but your subscriber number doesn't matter because not all of them watch your SC2 vods' is not relevant. Husky has over 400k subs and gets about 100-150k views per video. That's over half his subscriber base that doesn't watch. It doesn't matter, he is still the most watched caster on YT. Leading on from that you talk about the pros knowing the analysis, and they just want to listen to someone hyping up the game and making it exciting, thus attempting to validate your position. However, didn't you just say that IGN are wanting to appeal to the larger demographic? (via the statement about potentially tapping in to the 2nd and 3rd youtube channels etc). There's probably a very VERY small percentage of gamers out there that know all the ins and outs of the strategy when it comes to SC2, and as such, events like this are a fantastic way to "educate" that knowledge, with lack of a better word on my part The idea that you have to want to learn everything about the game to enjoy it as a spectator is out of touch. The vast majority of players are below platinum level, the vast majority of spectators are watching play-by-play casters for their entertainment, not analysts. Viewing to learn is perfectly valid, but so is viewing to be entertained. Analytical casting is not entertaining to new players, they do not understand it. Analysts assume a certain level of pre-existing knowledge from viewers that more often than not isn't there. There is a reason new viewers come from Husky, HD, DJWheat and myself, not from GSL, TSL etc. Play-by-play with only very light analysis is the way to bring people into the scene. It's not even up for discussion, the numbers speak for themselves, as will the amount of people who will say 'yeah, I got into SC2 by watching Husky/HD/TotalBiscuit'. We know how to entertain and attract new player and we have a proven track-record of doing just that so let us do our thing. When it comes to being an esports gateway drug, we are the experts. People can take dumps on our casting all they please, we know what we are doing is good for the scene even if they don't. Ultimately I feel your post was contradicting itself, talking about wanting to appeal to the masses and then validating your spot by saying the pros enjoy listening to a play-by-play caster, when pros make up what? 0.01% of the market? The majority of which i've had the pleasure of speaking to don't even watch other tournaments, just practice their hearts out. I personally am not a fan of your commentary (Sorry, can't appeal to everyone I guess), as the lack of knowledge and insight in to the game isn't interesting to me, even when I know quite a bit about the tactics in turn. To be honest, to say ALL pros would rather listen to play-by-play than analysis is a rather bold claim in itself. You have twisted my words completely. I never said ALL pros would rather listen to play-by-play, I am refuting the claim that my casting only appeals to new/non/low-level players which is so frequently trumpeted by some people around here. Sports emphasises the play-by-play as the primary focus of a broadcast, so should eSports unless we'd like to try and reinvent the wheel here and ignore decades of successful broadcast sport. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
On April 05 2011 18:02 RageBot wrote: Actually, both Artosis and Day[9] are amazing casters, they are not only analytic, but also make the games so much more entertaining to watch. Listening to Artosis and Day[9] commentate is always such a pleasure because they add so much value to the game. Also I should also mention Incontrol and Gretorp from the GCPL (haven't really heard them in anything else yet) make me really look forward to NASL for the same reason. Would love for more pros (or ex-pros) to do some commentating on the side. If the viewer can't tell that the caster doesn't understand what is happening in the game, because they new/learning etc then it's fine to have casters with no game knowledge. However, as the viewership and becomes more educated in the game, therefore appreciating and understanding the game more, they will begin to appreciate the difference between the levels of commentary. The concern is that it is (or will be) totally acceptable to have commentators with minimal game knowledge commentating major events. To some extent the commentator should be an educator of the newer/casual crowd so they can really understand and appreciate what is going on, without game knowledge it is not possible for this to happen. Does this have a negative impact on attracting new viewers? - nope of course it won't, because the new viewers won't know any different. Will it potentially stop them sticking around and getting into the game more? - yes, because as they get more into SC2 they will want to learn more and have a greater depth of understanding on the games they are watching. All opinion of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are others that feel the same way. | ||
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
I'm really intrested in the production value!  | ||
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sanya
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while i agree with some tb has said(not all mind you) about casters in general and the numbers the play-by-play commentators will most likely bring i'd like to point out that the analytical side of the commentating is much more needed in an rts game than in any sport. i would like to ask wether there is a specific reason to limit yourself to the number of casters you have announced, or if there is room to include some of those "analysts" as addition and perhaps pair them with the play-by-play guys ? | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
But for now i dont think any europeans will tune in, because its more like an american championship right now. And worst of all, like most tourneys from america, the time just completly horrible for any non-american...8 pm EST is 03.00 CET, and that on a thursday... So yeah, i hope you guys realize that you probably wont have viewer-counts like the TSL and dont get discouraged by it, because the way it is planned, theres just no helping it. Greets | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 05 2011 19:28 eGo.SiGns wrote: I'm quite optimistic that this will become a nice tourney in the future. But for now i dont think any europeans will tune in, because its more like an american championship right now. And worst of all, like most tourneys from america, the time just completly horrible for any non-american...8 pm EST is 03.00 CET, and that on a thursday... So yeah, i hope you guys realize that you probably wont have viewer-counts like the TSL and dont get discouraged by it, because the way it is planned, theres just no helping it. Greets Vods should be the priority, particularly when tapping into the IGN demographic. Streams are watched by people who are already into the scene in a big way, VoDs have a larger potential to reach a wider audience. | ||
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Sami`
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There are however plenty of guys who do good play-by-play, TB and Husky are definitely in that category. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On April 05 2011 19:28 eGo.SiGns wrote: But for now i dont think any europeans will tune in, because its more like an american championship right now. Except for those who just like to watch Starcraft. Why on earth would I not want to see a game because the players live somewhere else? Tons of people from America are watching GSL even though it is the middle of the night for them and it is mostly Koreans playing. | ||
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locket
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
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Nifel
706 Posts
Just be happy there's a ton of great casters out there. And face it, both analytical and play by play casting are necessary for the growth of eSports and here to stay. Also, to those saying no Europeans will turn in, that's ridiculous. I'm European and I'll turn in for sure. Actually, I find it quite refreshing to see a tournament entirely made up of NA players. Even if you could replace half the line up with "bigger" names from Europe/Korea/Whatever that doesn't necessarily mean it would make for more entertainment or a "better" competition. And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. With so many global tournaments going on all over the place, I think it's perfectly fine with a focused test like this. | ||
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Johnnybb
Denmark486 Posts
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
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