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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:18 Soulmate wrote: Glad to see Grubby and cruncher in the list. But I still think that Boxer doesn't deserve a spot (skill wise) huh? Yes he's not a top top player anymore but he's been solid in GSL until last season. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
It is there first season running there own league so things like this are expected+ Show Spoiler + and no there previous experiences in helping run something does not really matter The league also, at least form the outside, seem to be being run by a rather small group of individuals. Dealing with all those applications and the people behind would be a hard thing to do for a small group dealing with a deadline. Hopefully they just use everything that has happened to improve for next season. | ||
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RogueStatus
266 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:11 willeesmalls wrote: Goddamn I have express my disappointment at allowing inControl to play. All evidence points to the fact that he's not on par with the best competition in skill. He's also involved behind the scenes - doesn't that reek of unprofessionalism? Funny guy who catches a lot of flak and dishes it out just as well. But this was a poor choice. He can dish it.. but he sure can't take it. Props to MiniGun for not crying, one of my favorite players. Shame he's a victim of the power mongering popularity contest. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:05 Insanious wrote: If you didn't get invited to the NASL... I'm going to say it right now, its 100% you or your managers fault. 1) Did you not get in because of the application process? Why is this your fault? Because YOU or YOUR manager did NOT ask questions. It is NOT the NASL's responsibility for YOU to get in your correct application and any other doccumentation. Just like ANY OTHER JOB EVER, you have to be prepared. If they ask you for something, and you don't already have it... well too bad, its your fault. With the NASL, you KNEW you would have to fly to the USA to play games for money if you were in the top 16... So guess what that means, YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A VISA. Why did you not just go get one? I mean the NASL isn't going to hold your hand, there were over 100 applications, over 100 other people to pick from. 2) Did you not get in because of your application video? Well, thats 100% your fault to. You application video was like a job application, it showed who you were. Any weaknesses you showed, would reflect poorly on them choosing you. Any video should of shown your strengths (look at Tyler and MoMaN being able to insite the croud through a video) and play down your weaknesses (DeMuSliM's Cast). If you didn't sell your self well enough... then you should of made a better video. 3) Did you not get in because of your resent showings in tournaments? Well... this means you need to practice more and win more. NASL wanted the best players they could get. There are TONNES of online tournaments to play in to show your skills and guess what... ViBe and dde got in because of these tournaments. Maybe you should of played some of them instead of continuously losing vs big names in big tournaments that don't happen every day. - - - - These were the three reasons people didn't get in, and every one of them was the player or manager's fault. You can get angry at the NASL but it will do nothing. They aren't here to hold your hand, just like if you don't get a job because you messed up the interview or application process... its the same thing here, so stop QQ'ing. (this is directed at players and fans a like, and was not meant to single out players, even though it does... and I apologize for being slightly rude, but I needed to get my points across. You are much more talented at SC2 than I am, but you made a mistake, so just man up.) So much wrong in a single post... Why would a person go apply for a Visa if he doesnt know if hell need it or not, you dont apply for them just for fun. Implying that someone wont be able to get a visa (and excluding him under that UNVERIFIED assumption) is extremely unprofessionnal. (Wont even comment about your video argument/tournament argument because its also just as awfully wrong) Im not gonna name any players in particular *cough* LZ, deMuslim, nightend, minigun* cough* but I feel like some very deserving and talented players were excluded while some other not-so-deserving and not-as-talented players got accepted *cough* lolnoimnotgoingthere *cough*, without any REAL justification (yes ive read xeris' post but like everything else that has hit the fan since the beginning of NASL its a whole lot of not so much) | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:09 Lz wrote: lol thats how I feel.. atlest a reason why i was not "mentioned" in the section.. I guess im not Good enough for the league.. for laugh's go look at my recent games list EGLzGaMeR 327 .. lol its funny  Im obviously sad i did not even get apparently thought about during this process.. but I will still watch and support the NASL! and of course cheer on my teammates ~ EG FIGHTING Honestly, seeing his and Miniguns case makes me thinks instead of removing it, they made the 5man per team an unwritten rule. They didn't want teamkills or whatever was the reason before, and they avoided if possible. They probally wouldnt have removed a really highly ranked player, but I can't believe they wouldn't get in if they were in other teams. But maybe that's just because of my second problem with this. They assure everyone that skill alone will be used to decide who will be invited, and then say that 3 of the players were chosen because they were fan favorite and 3 because they were underdogs. That doesn't make sense. If they were viewing skill and tournament results alone, they wouldn't need to justify those six. I also think some groups are a little too stacked compared to others. Considering they said they manually formed the groups, I would expect fairness to be the deciding factor, It should still be possible to keep reasonably balanced groups without having groups like 1 and 5. My views may be a little biased because I don't rate Moon or Rainbow that highly among koreans, but at least keep the players they admited were brought because they were fan favorites or underdogs apart makes sense, and there are 3 of them in group 1. That said, this isn't actually that bad. While I agree with some decisions, they seem to have tried to please everyone, and by doing that, displeasing the extremists, in a lesser amount, because they took the middle ground. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:17 nam nam wrote: 1) You throw out a lot of wild speculations here. Why would NASL have reasons to doubt Nightend being able to get a visa for one? Unless there is something we are being told that is quite a shady reason since the answer should be obvious. Nothing shady at all and Xeris mentioned it already. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program Brat_OK for example has had visa problems several times in the past I think (seems he's got that stuff figured out now), so that it's not a factor to be ignored when planning a LAN event. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Obviously they went for some big names and legacies instead of just selecting the best players which is good to see imo. Lots of players like Grubby and Artosis might not be that great but they have huge fanbases and personally I find it a little more fun to see some players I know that some relatively unknowns. Only the couple unknown and bad players like ViBe really surprise me. Also more koreans could have been nice but if you went by skill there would be about 40 out of 50 players korean in this tournament so I'm just assuming they had a certain amount of koreans they wanted for this tournament, the actual number seems fine actually. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
haha i loving it. | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:05 Insanious wrote: If you didn't get invited to the NASL... I'm going to say it right now, its 100% you or your managers fault. 1) Did you not get in because of the application process? Why is this your fault? Because YOU or YOUR manager did NOT ask questions. It is NOT the NASL's responsibility for YOU to get in your correct application and any other doccumentation. Just like ANY OTHER JOB EVER, you have to be prepared. If they ask you for something, and you don't already have it... well too bad, its your fault. With the NASL, you KNEW you would have to fly to the USA to play games for money if you were in the top 16... So guess what that means, YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A VISA. Why did you not just go get one? I mean the NASL isn't going to hold your hand, there were over 100 applications, over 100 other people to pick from. 2) Did you not get in because of your application video? Well, thats 100% your fault to. You application video was like a job application, it showed who you were. Any weaknesses you showed, would reflect poorly on them choosing you. Any video should of shown your strengths (look at Tyler and MoMaN being able to insite the croud through a video) and play down your weaknesses (DeMuSliM's Cast). If you didn't sell your self well enough... then you should of made a better video. 3) Did you not get in because of your resent showings in tournaments? Well... this means you need to practice more and win more. NASL wanted the best players they could get. There are TONNES of online tournaments to play in to show your skills and guess what... ViBe and dde got in because of these tournaments. Maybe you should of played some of them instead of continuously losing vs big names in big tournaments that don't happen every day. - - - - These were the three reasons people didn't get in, and every one of them was the player or manager's fault. You can get angry at the NASL but it will do nothing. They aren't here to hold your hand, just like if you don't get a job because you messed up the interview or application process... its the same thing here, so stop QQ'ing. (this is directed at players and fans a like, and was not meant to single out players, even though it does... and I apologize for being slightly rude, but I needed to get my points across. You are much more talented at SC2 than I am, but you made a mistake, so just man up.) You have no idea what you are talking about. There are many conversations between the league and players and managers that are not in the TL forums and not every instance is a clear cut as you might think. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
The addition of top korean players really legitimizes this tournament in my eyes. I will be cheering for my favorites regardless of nationality though! | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:17 nam nam wrote: 1) You throw out a lot of wild speculations here. Why would NASL have reasons to doubt Nightend being able to get a visa for one? Unless there is something we are being told that is quite a shady reason since the answer should be obvious. 2) I've been involved in looking through job applications and what people consider a good or bad job application varies heavily depending on who it is watching. Demuslims is well above the average if you look at the feedback he got from the fans. Wasn't that was what they were after? 3) There are players left out with more to show than Vibe and dde. Not sure what your point here was. 1) NightEnD or his manager should of KNOWN he would need a Visa to compete for money in the USA. As such, he should have already had a Visa before applying. You don't apply to become a commercial pilot without a pilots license, you don't apply to be an investment banker without your university transcript, you don't apply to etc, etc, etc... This should have been looked at like a job application. You bring everything you need with you, if you aren't sure if you need it, you contact the organization and ask. You will be passed over if you don't have everything ready when you get there. Its no different. He should have already had one, doesn't matter that they didn't tell him. He should of asked or assumed. 2) The point is that DeMusliM also showed a HUGE weakness, his arm still in a cast, infront of a hospital. This gives the image of a person who is not in 100% tip-top shape, and as such with show sub par matches. Its the same thing that If a woman sees a man in a suit vs. shorts and a t-shirt she is 60% more likely to be willing to go on a date with the guy simply due to them perceiving the guy as successful. Image is everything, DeMusliM did not show a good image of himself due to the cast. A simple explanation, or even removing the cast (which he can) would of most likely got him into the NASL due to a different image being shown during his application. 3) People are talking about LZGamer, and others who didn't get in but are Oh so good. But if you look, they don't compete as much as ViBe and dde do. Those two are continuously in those $100 online tournaments and place well every time. This shows the NASL that they can consistently place well. A lot of these other players have BIG tournament's they attend, but only a few of them (FXOpen, TL Open, MLG, IEM, DreamHack) but between those big tournaments there is very little. Players like ViBe and dde also played tonnes of online tournaments to fill in the gaps... others could of done the same thing to make them selves look better. - - - - What I'm saying is, the reason someone didn't get picked was that they didn't take the NASL seriously enough. You had to look at it like applying for a job, where you ask questions, you do your video as if you were in an interview being professional and trying to impress, and then you show them your qualifications (tournament wins and places) and well... some players failed in one or more of these respects and then their fans or the players QQ about them. I just didn't like to see it, they could of done something different. Its not like the NASL had a shortage of tallent to choose from... it was a competitive competition where some players put in TONNES of time into their video (MoMaN), others are legends (MC, Idra, July), etc... When you have to compete against these players that are equal in skill to you, you need to stand out somehow... and some of these players stood out in a negative fashion. | ||
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DurandaL917
United States92 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:00 NightEnD wrote: Are u kidding me ???? He didnt told me i need to prove that i can take visa or take visa he only told me AFTER i repeat AFTER i asked him if im invited that no im not becouse THEY ASSUMED I CANT TAKE VISA .... where do u see the profesioanlism ? I can understand why you're upset but I don't know what you hope to accomplish by ranting about professionalism. Take it in stride (as a professional?). prepare to qualify and try again next season. It sucks, but alienating the very people who may make decisions about your future entry isn't going to help. I am also deeply impressed by Minigun (really showed he was a class act today and made me a bigger fan), Demuslim and LZ's reaction. I'll be rooting to see you all in the next season of NASL | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Is there a possibility of reserving spots in future seasons for special invites? While I think guys like Minigun and Dimaga can definitely qualify through the open tournament, it seems like you should have a provision for players that post great results in other tournaments, to guarantee you have the best players in the league at all times. For example, let's say Dimaga wins MLG and IEM, but gets cheesed out of your qualifiers. Is there anyway you could invite him in future NASL's? | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:16 WGarrison wrote: Incontrol can play, Incontrol is popular, and Incontrol is no slouch. He consistantly plays well in MLG and he doesn't just hang in there with the big dogs, he runs with them. He is a strong member of EG and is a threat to win something at any time. He has a huge fanbase, his stream is incredibly popular and he has a big following from state of the game. He loves meeting people at every tournament he is in and will bring a lot of viewers in for his games. Since he is also the caster his games will be really popular. Also, people don't understand that he really is no slouch. You can garuntee that Incontrol is going to take playing in the NASL extremely seriously and work really hard at it. Never underestimate the power of motivation. He prob deserve a spot as fan favorite, but he is not by any means one of the top players  Xeris could have mention why incontrol got an invite, but im not really too bothered about it. I would say him and lzgamer is pretty equal, one got an invite, one didnt. Thats life. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
Sorry for the guys who didn't make it, but hey, theres always next year Lots of time to prepare (practice/get visa) | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:09 Lz wrote: lol thats how I feel.. atlest a reason why i was not "mentioned" in the section.. I guess im not Good enough for the league.. for laugh's go look at my recent games list EGLzGaMeR 327 .. lol its funny Im obviously sad i did not even get apparently thought about during this process.. but I will still watch and support the NASL! and of course cheer on my teammates ~ EG FIGHTING The thing who disapointing me the most is that one of you team mate who choose people in the NASL and he didn't bother to mentioned his name in "why players weren't invited" | ||
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spacebarbarian
United States70 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote: Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently. Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3... whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space. sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare. This x100, I am so sad Minigun did not make it, I was super excited to watch him duke it out with the big korean and european players. Is he still allowed to try and qualify through that 1 golden spot left for the open tournament ? I really really hope he makes it, 1/1024 chance is easy-sauce for someone of chad's caliber | ||
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