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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
viii
Profile Joined March 2011
United States266 Posts
March 29 2011 21:31 GMT
#3441
i cant wait for artosis!
For those who came from nothing, and became something - DGK
Dramborleg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
March 29 2011 21:31 GMT
#3442
umm.. Here is a thought...

Lets congratulate the players who were selected.

The List is final... Whining about it wont prove anything.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 29 2011 21:31 GMT
#3443
Updated OP with Xeris post on how the players were selected
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:33:24
March 29 2011 21:33 GMT
#3444
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2011 06:27 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:17 nam nam wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:05 Insanious wrote:
If you didn't get invited to the NASL... I'm going to say it right now, its 100% you or your managers fault.

1) Did you not get in because of the application process? Why is this your fault? Because YOU or YOUR manager did NOT ask questions. It is NOT the NASL's responsibility for YOU to get in your correct application and any other doccumentation. Just like ANY OTHER JOB EVER, you have to be prepared. If they ask you for something, and you don't already have it... well too bad, its your fault.

With the NASL, you KNEW you would have to fly to the USA to play games for money if you were in the top 16... So guess what that means, YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A VISA. Why did you not just go get one? I mean the NASL isn't going to hold your hand, there were over 100 applications, over 100 other people to pick from.

2) Did you not get in because of your application video? Well, thats 100% your fault to. You application video was like a job application, it showed who you were. Any weaknesses you showed, would reflect poorly on them choosing you. Any video should of shown your strengths (look at Tyler and MoMaN being able to insite the croud through a video) and play down your weaknesses (DeMuSliM's Cast). If you didn't sell your self well enough... then you should of made a better video.

3) Did you not get in because of your resent showings in tournaments? Well... this means you need to practice more and win more. NASL wanted the best players they could get. There are TONNES of online tournaments to play in to show your skills and guess what... ViBe and dde got in because of these tournaments. Maybe you should of played some of them instead of continuously losing vs big names in big tournaments that don't happen every day.

- - - -

These were the three reasons people didn't get in, and every one of them was the player or manager's fault. You can get angry at the NASL but it will do nothing. They aren't here to hold your hand, just like if you don't get a job because you messed up the interview or application process... its the same thing here, so stop QQ'ing.

(this is directed at players and fans a like, and was not meant to single out players, even though it does... and I apologize for being slightly rude, but I needed to get my points across. You are much more talented at SC2 than I am, but you made a mistake, so just man up.)


1) You throw out a lot of wild speculations here. Why would NASL have reasons to doubt Nightend being able to get a visa for one? Unless there is something we are being told that is quite a shady reason since the answer should be obvious.

2) I've been involved in looking through job applications and what people consider a good or bad job application varies heavily depending on who it is watching. Demuslims is well above the average if you look at the feedback he got from the fans. Wasn't that was what they were after?

3) There are players left out with more to show than Vibe and dde. Not sure what your point here was.

1) NightEnD or his manager should of KNOWN he would need a Visa to compete for money in the USA. As such, he should have already had a Visa before applying. You don't apply to become a commercial pilot without a pilots license, you don't apply to be an investment banker without your university transcript, you don't apply to etc, etc, etc... This should have been looked at like a job application. You bring everything you need with you, if you aren't sure if you need it, you contact the organization and ask. You will be passed over if you don't have everything ready when you get there. Its no different. He should have already had one, doesn't matter that they didn't tell him. He should of asked or assumed.

2) The point is that DeMusliM also showed a HUGE weakness, his arm still in a cast, infront of a hospital. This gives the image of a person who is not in 100% tip-top shape, and as such with show sub par matches. Its the same thing that If a woman sees a man in a suit vs. shorts and a t-shirt she is 60% more likely to be willing to go on a date with the guy simply due to them perceiving the guy as successful. Image is everything, DeMusliM did not show a good image of himself due to the cast.

A simple explanation, or even removing the cast (which he can) would of most likely got him into the NASL due to a different image being shown during his application.

3) People are talking about LZGamer, and others who didn't get in but are Oh so good. But if you look, they don't compete as much as ViBe and dde do. Those two are continuously in those $100 online tournaments and place well every time. This shows the NASL that they can consistently place well. A lot of these other players have BIG tournament's they attend, but only a few of them (FXOpen, TL Open, MLG, IEM, DreamHack) but between those big tournaments there is very little. Players like ViBe and dde also played tonnes of online tournaments to fill in the gaps... others could of done the same thing to make them selves look better.

- - - -

What I'm saying is, the reason someone didn't get picked was that they didn't take the NASL seriously enough. You had to look at it like applying for a job, where you ask questions, you do your video as if you were in an interview being professional and trying to impress, and then you show them your qualifications (tournament wins and places) and well... some players failed in one or more of these respects and then their fans or the players QQ about them. I just didn't like to see it, they could of done something different.

Its not like the NASL had a shortage of tallent to choose from... it was a competitive competition where some players put in TONNES of time into their video (MoMaN), others are legends (MC, Idra, July), etc... When you have to compete against these players that are equal in skill to you, you need to stand out somehow... and some of these players stood out in a negative fashion.


please stop already, you keep making endless post filled with misinformation (but I have got to say that all the little examples you give are quite funny.

and no, you dont get a visa ''just cause you are putting up an application'', but yes you do get a visa if the organisation tells you they need to be sure you can obtain one
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 29 2011 21:33 GMT
#3445
On March 30 2011 06:21 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently.
Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3...

whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space.

sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare.


So true.


Have you seen InControl play? He's actually pretty good. He'll probably have trouble against other Toss's but he can absolutely take games against the opponents in his division.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
March 29 2011 21:33 GMT
#3446
On March 30 2011 06:13 Diglett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:56 InteGrated wrote:
would really like xeris's reasoning on why he chose some of these players to be posted. especially over Minigun, Fruitdealer, most of oGS including Supernova, their best Terran player but Ensnare being in, Inca (their 2nd best protoss) and players like Bomber..


I want to know too. I know that some Tsl players (fd's app incomplete though), most of the startale and ogs players and some slayers players made application videos. A lot of these people have had good results in the GSL and/or GSTL, which are the biggest sc2 tournaments with the highest levels of skill. So, based on the "results results results" mantra of NASL, shouldn't they be invited? Or was it because, like in Fruitdealer's case, their application was incomplete or late?


The Slayers team are most likely among the 30 people that applied too late, I remember Cella asking Huk abou the application process days after the deadline. Boxer sent in a seperate video application, so I'm assuming he was contacted.
RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
March 29 2011 21:34 GMT
#3447
On March 30 2011 06:20 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:11 willeesmalls wrote:
Goddamn I have express my disappointment at allowing inControl to play. All evidence points to the fact that he's not on par with the best competition in skill. He's also involved behind the scenes - doesn't that reek of unprofessionalism?

Funny guy who catches a lot of flak and dishes it out just as well. But this was a poor choice.


You see, there is 50 players invited. Obviously some will be better than the others. You are saying that because iNc accepted to cast, he shouldn't be allowed to play?
Yes. It's bad enough that the two primary casters are contracted by the participating teams. It's even worse that one of them is participating in the tournament. It really hurts the legitimacy of the tournament. I mean imagine how big of a shitstorm there would be if NFL teams contracted their own referees and commentators. (FYI Xeris is also the manager of Fnatic)

I wouldn't mind any of this if NASL was clearly trying to be an amateur tournament. However they are trying to be professional, which means they will be judged by a higher standard.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
March 29 2011 21:34 GMT
#3448
On March 30 2011 06:33 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:21 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently.
Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3...

whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space.

sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare.


So true.


Have you seen InControl play? He's actually pretty good. He'll probably have trouble against other Toss's but he can absolutely take games against the opponents in his division.


Yes i have seen him play, and yes he is good. But better than the players that have been turned down? No.
cold-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada209 Posts
March 29 2011 21:35 GMT
#3449
group 5 has some funny/interesting history with idra
zenio (ceremony in gsl2 beating him 2-0)
drewbie
tyler (beat him 4-1 last time they played)
cloud (beat him in fxo open)
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
March 29 2011 21:35 GMT
#3450
On March 30 2011 06:33 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:21 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently.
Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3...

whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space.

sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare.


So true.


Have you seen InControl play? He's actually pretty good. He'll probably have trouble against other Toss's but he can absolutely take games against the opponents in his division.


again with the speculation...
the fact is he has not proven himself in the hundreds of tournaments that sc2 has thrown out the past 12 or so months...
NightEnD
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania107 Posts
March 29 2011 21:36 GMT
#3451
Anyone put in my place for 1 second you played wc3 for almost 3 years and u never had 1 chance to go to an offline event and then u have it by placing top 4 on europe at blizzard ladder tournament (top 6 would get invited ) after u put so much effort in to the game u love almost 3 years day by day and u take a 4 th place on europe and u get qualified for it blizzard tells u that u cant come becouse there is a law in romania that dosent allow u to play in blizzard tournaments ( my team back then check it with a lawyer and he said that's a lie ) i asked blizzard like 5 6 times wich law is that blizzard only told me there is a law ... (ofc it wasnt any ) and back then i cryed becouse i didnt understand why i got threated like that and i was hoping i will never get threated with souch disrespect .And now i dont get invited becouse they assumed i could not take visa . How can i not be sad when i see how i always get threated .. BDL invited 8 players and for next 8 they had a qualy ... did i qualy for it ? yes i did and im rank 4 after winning whitera 2-1 last matchday , did i qualy for TSL 3? yes i did always when there is somthing based on invitation i get a big FU and a bulshit answer .. how can i not be sad and mad? and pls dont judge me
fsdfds
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 29 2011 21:37 GMT
#3452
Artosis is going to win, I can feel it
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
March 29 2011 21:38 GMT
#3453
On March 30 2011 06:36 NightEnD wrote:
Anyone put in my place for 1 second you played wc3 for almost 3 years and u never had 1 chance to go to an offline event and then u have it by placing top 4 on europe at blizzard ladder tournament (top 6 would get invited ) after u put so much effort in to the game u love almost 3 years day by day and u take a 4 th place on europe and u get qualified for it blizzard tells u that u cant come becouse there is a law in romania that dosent allow u to play in blizzard tournaments ( my team back then check it with a lawyer and he said that's a lie ) i asked blizzard like 5 6 times wich law is that blizzard only told me there is a law ... (ofc it wasnt any ) and back then i cryed becouse i didnt understand why i got threated like that and i was hoping i will never get threated with souch disrespect .And now i dont get invited becouse they assumed i could not take visa . How can i not be sad when i see how i always get threated .. BDL invited 8 players and for next 8 they had a qualy ... did i qualy for it ? yes i did and im rank 4 after winning whitera 2-1 last matchday , did i qualy for TSL 3? yes i did always when there is somthing based on invitation i get a big FU and a bulshit answer .. how can i not be sad and mad? and pls dont judge me



don't worry bro, the players that know and see you play on a weekly basis know that you are really skilled and deserve to be in it. u have fans and just try hard to get that 1 spot.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
March 29 2011 21:39 GMT
#3454
On March 30 2011 06:36 NightEnD wrote:
Anyone put in my place for 1 second you played wc3 for almost 3 years and u never had 1 chance to go to an offline event and then u have it by placing top 4 on europe at blizzard ladder tournament (top 6 would get invited ) after u put so much effort in to the game u love almost 3 years day by day and u take a 4 th place on europe and u get qualified for it blizzard tells u that u cant come becouse there is a law in romania that dosent allow u to play in blizzard tournaments ( my team back then check it with a lawyer and he said that's a lie ) i asked blizzard like 5 6 times wich law is that blizzard only told me there is a law ... (ofc it wasnt any ) and back then i cryed becouse i didnt understand why i got threated like that and i was hoping i will never get threated with souch disrespect .And now i dont get invited becouse they assumed i could not take visa . How can i not be sad when i see how i always get threated .. BDL invited 8 players and for next 8 they had a qualy ... did i qualy for it ? yes i did and im rank 4 after winning whitera 2-1 last matchday , did i qualy for TSL 3? yes i did always when there is somthing based on invitation i get a big FU and a bulshit answer .. how can i not be sad and mad? and pls dont judge me


I feel for you bro, your results should have put you in the tournament.
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
March 29 2011 21:39 GMT
#3455
On March 30 2011 06:36 NightEnD wrote:
Anyone put in my place for 1 second you played wc3 for almost 3 years and u never had 1 chance to go to an offline event and then u have it by placing top 4 on europe at blizzard ladder tournament (top 6 would get invited ) after u put so much effort in to the game u love almost 3 years day by day and u take a 4 th place on europe and u get qualified for it blizzard tells u that u cant come becouse there is a law in romania that dosent allow u to play in blizzard tournaments ( my team back then check it with a lawyer and he said that's a lie ) i asked blizzard like 5 6 times wich law is that blizzard only told me there is a law ... (ofc it wasnt any ) and back then i cryed becouse i didnt understand why i got threated like that and i was hoping i will never get threated with souch disrespect .And now i dont get invited becouse they assumed i could not take visa . How can i not be sad when i see how i always get threated .. BDL invited 8 players and for next 8 they had a qualy ... did i qualy for it ? yes i did and im rank 4 after winning whitera 2-1 last matchday , did i qualy for TSL 3? yes i did always when there is somthing based on invitation i get a big FU and a bulshit answer .. how can i not be sad and mad? and pls dont judge me


/comfort

/support

Can't say much more, sorry about that guy, you're a pretty good player, certainly deserve to be in here.
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
March 29 2011 21:39 GMT
#3456
Poor NightEnd

But you know what'd be a big FU to them? Win the online qualifier, get into the tournament and crush some newbs! :D
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
March 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#3457
On March 30 2011 06:26 Minigun wrote:
Kinda surprised not to see lzgamer not at least mentioned, when I think of top terran's he is on that list for me at least.

Thx mini~ I feel the same when i think of top protoss's!
EG.Thorzain
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden164 Posts
March 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#3458
Sad thorzain is sad (( well well. Next season! glgl.

All love to NightEnD! NASL handled his application pretty bad from what I've heard.
Thanks to Roberi for taking care of my TL fanclub! Also a thanks to all my fans in and outside my TL fanclub :). Fighting~~!
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
March 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#3459
On March 30 2011 06:36 NightEnD wrote:
Anyone put in my place for 1 second you played wc3 for almost 3 years and u never had 1 chance to go to an offline event and then u have it by placing top 4 on europe at blizzard ladder tournament (top 6 would get invited ) after u put so much effort in to the game u love almost 3 years day by day and u take a 4 th place on europe and u get qualified for it blizzard tells u that u cant come becouse there is a law in romania that dosent allow u to play in blizzard tournaments ( my team back then check it with a lawyer and he said that's a lie ) i asked blizzard like 5 6 times wich law is that blizzard only told me there is a law ... (ofc it wasnt any ) and back then i cryed becouse i didnt understand why i got threated like that and i was hoping i will never get threated with souch disrespect .And now i dont get invited becouse they assumed i could not take visa . How can i not be sad when i see how i always get threated .. BDL invited 8 players and for next 8 they had a qualy ... did i qualy for it ? yes i did and im rank 4 after winning whitera 2-1 last matchday , did i qualy for TSL 3? yes i did always when there is somthing based on invitation i get a big FU and a bulshit answer .. how can i not be sad and mad? and pls dont judge me


I'm sorry . If it makes you feel any better, I thought you should have been included in the player's list.
Don't mind me
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
March 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#3460
On March 30 2011 06:27 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:17 nam nam wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:05 Insanious wrote:
If you didn't get invited to the NASL... I'm going to say it right now, its 100% you or your managers fault.

1) Did you not get in because of the application process? Why is this your fault? Because YOU or YOUR manager did NOT ask questions. It is NOT the NASL's responsibility for YOU to get in your correct application and any other doccumentation. Just like ANY OTHER JOB EVER, you have to be prepared. If they ask you for something, and you don't already have it... well too bad, its your fault.

With the NASL, you KNEW you would have to fly to the USA to play games for money if you were in the top 16... So guess what that means, YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A VISA. Why did you not just go get one? I mean the NASL isn't going to hold your hand, there were over 100 applications, over 100 other people to pick from.

2) Did you not get in because of your application video? Well, thats 100% your fault to. You application video was like a job application, it showed who you were. Any weaknesses you showed, would reflect poorly on them choosing you. Any video should of shown your strengths (look at Tyler and MoMaN being able to insite the croud through a video) and play down your weaknesses (DeMuSliM's Cast). If you didn't sell your self well enough... then you should of made a better video.

3) Did you not get in because of your resent showings in tournaments? Well... this means you need to practice more and win more. NASL wanted the best players they could get. There are TONNES of online tournaments to play in to show your skills and guess what... ViBe and dde got in because of these tournaments. Maybe you should of played some of them instead of continuously losing vs big names in big tournaments that don't happen every day.

- - - -

These were the three reasons people didn't get in, and every one of them was the player or manager's fault. You can get angry at the NASL but it will do nothing. They aren't here to hold your hand, just like if you don't get a job because you messed up the interview or application process... its the same thing here, so stop QQ'ing.

(this is directed at players and fans a like, and was not meant to single out players, even though it does... and I apologize for being slightly rude, but I needed to get my points across. You are much more talented at SC2 than I am, but you made a mistake, so just man up.)


1) You throw out a lot of wild speculations here. Why would NASL have reasons to doubt Nightend being able to get a visa for one? Unless there is something we are being told that is quite a shady reason since the answer should be obvious.

2) I've been involved in looking through job applications and what people consider a good or bad job application varies heavily depending on who it is watching. Demuslims is well above the average if you look at the feedback he got from the fans. Wasn't that was what they were after?

3) There are players left out with more to show than Vibe and dde. Not sure what your point here was.


2) The point is that DeMusliM also showed a HUGE weakness, his arm still in a cast, infront of a hospital. This gives the image of a person who is not in 100% tip-top shape, and as such with show sub par matches. Its the same thing that If a woman sees a man in a suit vs. shorts and a t-shirt she is 60% more likely to be willing to go on a date with the guy simply due to them perceiving the guy as successful. Image is everything, DeMusliM did not show a good image of himself due to the cast.


That's just the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read. If they dismiss the best uk player and one of the better terrans in Europe because of a freaking cast, they are morons. Sure it's an issue, but come on, they cold have spoken to him 5 minutes and they would have gotten their answer. His video was funny and one of the better ones in content, so just pointing to his cast as the single reason he didn't get in is ridiculous.


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