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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
March 29 2011 21:41 GMT
#3461
ill eat my words, and say this is very nice group set up. i was skeptical at first, but it very well spread out between skills, nations, rivals. etc. moon vs grubby is one i would want to see.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 29 2011 21:41 GMT
#3462
Yep, I'd say that NightEnd is a higher caliber player than at least:

Vibe
Incontrol
Machine
Moman
Stalife
Catz
Grubby

And definitely on par with many more players. I really am quite puzzled by the selection process.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
March 29 2011 21:41 GMT
#3463
Very good players, its gonna be an awesome league!!
+ Show Spoiler +
BUT NO MARKYO!!!! T.T
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
March 29 2011 21:42 GMT
#3464
On March 30 2011 06:34 RoboBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:20 SpiZe wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:11 willeesmalls wrote:
Goddamn I have express my disappointment at allowing inControl to play. All evidence points to the fact that he's not on par with the best competition in skill. He's also involved behind the scenes - doesn't that reek of unprofessionalism?

Funny guy who catches a lot of flak and dishes it out just as well. But this was a poor choice.


You see, there is 50 players invited. Obviously some will be better than the others. You are saying that because iNc accepted to cast, he shouldn't be allowed to play?
Yes. It's bad enough that the two primary casters are contracted by the participating teams. It's even worse that one of them is participating in the tournament. It really hurts the legitimacy of the tournament. I mean imagine how big of a shitstorm there would be if NFL teams contracted their own referees and commentators. (FYI Xeris is also the manager of Fnatic)

I wouldn't mind any of this if NASL was clearly trying to be an amateur tournament. However they are trying to be professional, which means they will be judged by a higher standard.


Excellent post, and this is how I feel a lot. The fact of the matter is that since the beginning of the NASL theres been a lot of ''sketchy'' things. Some stuff has happened that just shouldnt normally happen when youre using a high standard of professionnalism, and none of these things have, to my liking, been perfectly handled.

Now, in some other instances I wouldnt mind these that much, but when you add in the fact that there can easily be bias due to conflict of interest within the league organisers/casters and the players, you would normally need an even higher level of transparency, which has not been provided at the moment.
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 29 2011 21:42 GMT
#3465
sorry for that Thorzain and Nightend ( and demuslim minigun as well)

I hope your time for "revenge" comes soon. Keep playing well and you guys get what you deserve eventually.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
March 29 2011 21:43 GMT
#3466
Well if they were choosing by fan favorites then Destiny should have been chosen instead of InControl
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:44:45
March 29 2011 21:43 GMT
#3467
On March 30 2011 06:34 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:33 Defacer wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:21 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently.
Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3...

whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space.

sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare.


So true.


Have you seen InControl play? He's actually pretty good. He'll probably have trouble against other Toss's but he can absolutely take games against the opponents in his division.


Yes i have seen him play, and yes he is good. But better than the players that have been turned down? No.


I could say that about almost all of the players in the field. Supernova and TOP are two of the best Terrans in the world and they got turned down, so I really don't think you can use the evidence you're using to show that iNcontrol shouldn't be in.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
March 29 2011 21:44 GMT
#3468
Nice to see some explanation. Here's to hoping they revisit the "only 16 new players every season" rule before the end of this season.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:49:23
March 29 2011 21:44 GMT
#3469
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.


Mostly I've only got myself and bad communication within our team to blame for screwing up the application. I do however accept the explanation of late applications not being considered as I think it's reasonable to stick to your deadlines/rules/process.

But I've got a question regarding the explanation you provided.

You wrote that you had to close the application period at March 16th. Did you mean March 11th, when player applications from public approach were due (according to your deadlines and process thread), or did you really mean March 16th?

Checking my sent mail folder, you should have received the delayed application March 13th at around ~1pm PST.

As I understand it player videos for public approach would also have been due March 11th, together with the mailed applications?

I see alot of delayed videos having been uploaded, some even considerably later than Dimagas, implying more players were delayed in sending in their applications. Now I don't know how important the different deadlines are for your application process (maybe the video deadline wasn't as important as the other deadlines, and you cut people some slack on that). It does however seem there were a couple of exemptions to the deadlines based on the upload dates of many of the videos.

So, questions:

1. Which of the deadlines were the most important?

2. Did you consider applications all the way until March 16th? How come? Wasn't that after the deadline?


I didn't expect to get a slot in NASL either way. But as it is now -- my application wasn't even considered. And I'm eager to have you explain some of the discrepancies in that explanation you provided.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:47:38
March 29 2011 21:45 GMT
#3470
It probably would have been better to take all the people that applied correctly but were about same skill and have a little tournament to decide who gets in.
I mean if they needed to choose between Cruncher and Minigun they should have decided by a showmatch or something not coin toss.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:54:30
March 29 2011 21:46 GMT
#3471
For those saying he should have applied for a visa before. They dont come free, you also have to attend an interview in person for a Romanian it should be a formality being in the EU. You are much more likely to have a Canadian player or UK player who lives in a country as part of the waiver program fail because they dont have a 6 months left on their passport (EG only needs to ask their TF2 team about how that can happen).
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
March 29 2011 21:47 GMT
#3472
On March 30 2011 06:43 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:34 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:33 Defacer wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:21 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Umm it's kinda obvious why Xeris didn't put the reason why they invited Incontrol in his explanation. Sadly cause there is no explanation. one of the choices based on nepotism. I mean his face base is from only his personality. without sotg, incontrol would have barely any fans cause he has not impressed anyone with his play, however, grubby's fame has come with warcraft 3 and artosis actually made it into the GSL. MoMan made it the finals of a cup recently.
Minigun is 10x the protoss player Incontrol is and has no RTS experience. hes a fucking prodigy. ya i am a fanboy but look at his stream and his results in tournaments. Hes pretty amazing for not having played any brood war or wc3...

whatever, at least Xeris's explanation was professional but i wish next time he had included the explanations ALONG with the invites so there wouldnt be so much grey space.

sad to see nightend not be in it or thorzain, two players who showed they can be on Par with Korean players. sad to see that Supernova or Inca or Top were not chosen over Ensnare.


So true.


Have you seen InControl play? He's actually pretty good. He'll probably have trouble against other Toss's but he can absolutely take games against the opponents in his division.


Yes i have seen him play, and yes he is good. But better than the players that have been turned down? No.


I could say that about almost all of the players in the field. Supernova and TOP are two of the best Terrans in the world and they go turned down, so I really don't think you can use the evidence you're using to show that iNcontrol shouldn't be in.


The evidence is in tournaments, he's not won ANYTHING. Other players that have been dumped by the wayside for him have. It doesn't matter which way you spin it. He has been picked because of favouritism. There's players that would have drawn just as many viewers or more than him that haven't been picked. there's players that have more pedigree than him that haven't been picked and there's players that are more skilled than him that haven't been picked. You can't even use the Visa excuse for some.

Mo_oN
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany82 Posts
March 29 2011 21:47 GMT
#3473
NOOOOO, oh Mondragon it seems your video didnt get you into nasl too bad i was looking forward to your appearance.... but other than that nice lineup
To wait for Luck isnt lucky to create luck is what being lucky truly means
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 29 2011 21:47 GMT
#3474
Great line up of players. I am super excited for this to start. I mean look at it, this is gonna be sick. Top players from each region.

And for those complaining about the NASL not asking DeMuslim about his injury or NightEnd and his Visa, I ask you this, why did they not contact the NASL about these issues? To me the players really should have made these issues clear.

And remember there is the open tournament in which a lot of these left out players will be able to qualify for the next season. I keep seeing just a handful of names or players that were left out and to me that means they did a damn good job in picking the players. You are never going to please everyone because not everyone shares the same thoughts on who are the top 50. After a season or two things will shape up very well and I think this first season will be quite awesome and give us some amazing games as well.
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nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
March 29 2011 21:50 GMT
#3475
Ahh, Dimaga isnt in it? After last night's performance at the GSL he should definately get a spot
Gomas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Poland312 Posts
March 29 2011 21:51 GMT
#3476
Thorzain has the best TvZ in the world. Just sayin.
GrackGyver
Profile Joined March 2011
61 Posts
March 29 2011 21:51 GMT
#3477
On March 30 2011 06:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
And for those complaining about the NASL not asking DeMuslim about his injury or NightEnd and his Visa, I ask you this, why did they not contact the NASL about these issues? To me the players really should have made these issues clear.


If Demuslim does submit an application, wouldn't it make sense to assume that he feels he will be ready to play by the time the matches start?

And the fact that his team didn't talk to him to get it straightened out? Yeah w/e. Strange to say the least.
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
March 29 2011 21:51 GMT
#3478
excited for korean invites!
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:53:49
March 29 2011 21:51 GMT
#3479
On March 30 2011 06:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
Great line up of players. I am super excited for this to start. I mean look at it, this is gonna be sick. Top players from each region.

And for those complaining about the NASL not asking DeMuslim about his injury or NightEnd and his Visa, I ask you this, why did they not contact the NASL about these issues? To me the players really should have made these issues clear.

And remember there is the open tournament in which a lot of these left out players will be able to qualify for the next season. I keep seeing just a handful of names or players that were left out and to me that means they did a damn good job in picking the players. You are never going to please everyone because not everyone shares the same thoughts on who are the top 50. After a season or two things will shape up very well and I think this first season will be quite awesome and give us some amazing games as well.


Demuslim said in his video he was injured but would be okay, and the NASL never let him know that this could be an issue to them, so he should have contacted them about ?

Same for Nightend who told them himself that he would be able to get a VISA, how was he supposed to expect them to ''require'' such visa if they didnt let him know about that, is he just supposed to guess what is in their mind and go through the visa process which is a bitch ?

This is not about pleasing everyone or my favorite players not beign in, to me names dont even matter that much, to me its about the transparency (or the current lack of) of the selection process.

Also, to me, the excuse of ''the player should have done more, we're on a tight schedule and its not our job'' feels very weak.
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
trancey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany729 Posts
March 29 2011 21:52 GMT
#3480
Although the method of judging if a player is a fan favorite is certainly debatable i must admit that nearly all my favorite players are in the NASL and therefore you did a very good job at selecting the players!
hope to see some awesome games.
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