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On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...
Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?
It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.
It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.
They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.
If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they through me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)
Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.
Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.
:O What a baller.
I would be raging right now but you manage to keep your composure...idk how you do it man...
must be the nerves of steel from playing a lot of games in sc2, eh? lol.
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On March 30 2011 06:41 Shikyo wrote:
Yep, I'd say that NightEnd is a higher caliber player than at least:
Vibe
Incontrol
Machine
Moman
Stalife
Catz
Grubby
And definitely on par with many more players. I really am quite puzzled by the selection process.
They were pretty clear that NightEnd's rejection was not due to his skill or tournament standings.
I think a lot of people are taking these selections very personally, as in, "Why wasn't my favorite player chosen? They could have asked him and he would have said he was ready/willing/able." Well of course, that that doesn't really fly in many other competitive selection processes (job, university, etc.). You follow the application rules, you make the deadline, you ensure your application highlights your strengths. And if something gives the judges pause as to your ability to play or show up or represent the league in a positive light, they move on to the next contestant, who many not trigger such doubts.
The system may not be perfect, but a lot of this sounds like parents complaining about how their child was not given special treatment (but he's so good it doesn't matter that he didn't apply, but he's so good it doesn't matter that his app was late, but he's so good they should have asked him if he was in shape to play [and who's going to answer that they aren't?], but he's so good they shouldn't have worried about a visa policy). If only there was unlimited time to consider, confer with, and make exceptions and new rules for every single applicant...but they do need to squeeze a league into that schedule somewhere.
It's nice to see NASL give such a detailed post on how they chose their participants; I think it goes a long way towards giving the majority of people more faith in the process of this somewhat opaque league. I'm looking forward to watching the games, and seeing how some of the great players not included this time around earn their place in future seasons.
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Straight up, more Europeans deserve to be invited over the likes of these NA players if they're looking for top players, also a player like Minigun who has shown more consistency in high play in tournaments than most players in NA, deserves to be in. Yeah I mean in the end these players can all be in but holy hell, if some of these guys like Nightend, Thorzain, and tons of other Europeans, as well as Minigun, Demuslim, Strifecro, etc. aren't invited in the season 2 or 3 then there are some serious legitimacy issues.
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YESSS MC IS ON THE LIST! Hit em hard bosstoss!
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sweet happy to see boxer nada july and mc ! nasl fighting .
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On March 30 2011 07:03 Zlasher wrote:
Straight up, more Europeans deserve to be invited over the likes of these NA players if they're looking for top players, also a player like Minigun who has shown more consistency in high play in tournaments than most players in NA, deserves to be in. Yeah I mean in the end these players can all be in but holy hell, if some of these guys like Nightend, Thorzain, and tons of other Europeans, as well as Minigun, Demuslim, Strifecro, etc. aren't invited in the season 2 or 3 then there are some serious legitimacy issues.
There aren't invites for season 2.
The players are replaced by the top players from the open leagues. So you need to place high in the open leagues to get into the NASL season two.
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On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time.
It was clear from the beginning that the applying players had to make sure they'd be able to attend the finals in California.
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
Eligibility: Anyone can apply (including Koreans), as long as they are on a gaming team (not sure if the team has to meet some set level of sponsorship/notoriety) and they commit to go to the July LAN held in California.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195205
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oh god, dropping the ball hardcore repeatedly stating that deadlines were an important consideration, especially on top of all the other issues.
and seriously, openly acknowledging that you couldn't even consider kas or nightend because of potential visa issues after the fiasco of giving like barely 10 days for hundreds of interested top players to sign contracts, come up with cash, obtain visas ?
really, while contacting teams selectively ? and repeatedly emphasizing the arbitrariness of the selection process ? AND letting demuslim know why he was rejected basically in the public teamliquid thread, is that a joke, you must be trolling me.
honestly here, i got little problem with the actual invites, or the system of play in the actual league, or the divisions, bla-bla. but the execution of the pr and organization thus far. oh man, to call it unprofessional would be an euphemism, i was actually looking forward to this a lot more before xeris posted that faq, since i for one find it, for lack of a better term, embarassing.
understand i'm not hating, just scratching my head now in disbelief at what looks as a fiasco to me - i love esports and i hope this league takes off and we get to see some more unexposed talent alongside some consecrated players, but man, if you people don't shape up hard, and fast too, i guess i might be one amongst the many fans that prefer to pay 10$ for a shitty stream to watch some koreans at weird hours but refuse the 5$ for your uber-quality stream at my leisure, even if bosscontrol is casting on top.
edit: spelling
ps edit: sorry to mini, but i for one can't unconditionally support a league no matter how much i want it to succeed precisely because it's not a random fan-made tournament or even somewhat of a hybrid like the tsl;
and i do fully understand the other points, so as a fan i'll overlook as much as i can, but there is a limit to the tolerability of the fanbase that a business like this nasl league should give more consideration and respect to, since there is an interdependency between the customers and the providers of these entertainment goods. so please, at least treat all the potential players with more respect and professionalism and worry less about who's the latest flavor of the month that brings in more viewers.
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I can tell you the thing substantial things I have learned from this thread:
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- There are a lot of whiners on this forum ( A lot more than I was lead to believe by its reputation)
- DeMusliM and Minigun handled this with great poise so I will be looking into both and though I do not know if I will like there playstyles, I do know that I can root for them as people.
- If the production value is there, I do believe I will thoroughly enjoy watching this tournament play out.
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On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...
Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?
It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.
It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.
They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.
If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they threw me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)
Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.
Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.
Oh btw, thanks for the support to me guys, it means a lot.
Thanks, I absolutely second that. Hope people read it!
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On March 30 2011 06:09 Lz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 05:59 abominable wrote:
after watching LzGamer stream for the last 3 hours... wtf happened?
lol... he's better than at least half of the US players in the tournament, and he wasn't even important enough to mention in the "why players weren't invited" section. lol thats how I feel.. atlest a reason why i was not "mentioned" in the section.. I guess im not Good enough for the league.. for laugh's go look at my recent games list EGLzGaMeR 327 .. lol its funny  Im obviously sad i did not even get apparently thought about during this process.. but I will still watch and support the NASL! and of course cheer on my teammates ~ EG FIGHTING
Lz you know I love you and you're one of my favorite players, but results in clan leagues and clan matches, showmatches, and tournaments all went against you the past few months, it's really hard to argue someone in just based on ladder games (although lets be honest, they seemed to have done that for 3-5 players on the list). Even Strifecro who's on your team, has better results all over and he wasn't invited, as with Demuslim.
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On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...
Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?
It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.
It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.
They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.
If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they through me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)
Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.
Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.
I agree, but for a business attempting to make it big, they sure did seem to botch the Nightend situation. Did they even have the "we need to know you can get a visa" stipulation in the deadline or Q&A thread? I don't think they did.
Also the entire situation with demuslim is comical. Not even contacting him because of his application video (which was just stressed by Xeris even more that the video =/= application) is a HUGE mistake. You'd think a tournament/business with so much at stake would be a little more attentive and communicative.
Yeah, most of the people who are higher caliber and weren't accepted into this season will likely get in through the qualifiers, but that doesn't excuse the NASL from excluding the people who truly deserved to be in this first season.
All in all I do hope it succeeds.. but, as most other people have said, it's going to require a lot more organization and professionalism than has been showed so far.
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Well I will at least say that I'm 95% happy with the chosen players which is more than I expected. I'm can't wait to start watching these streams!
For those who are considered deserving but didn't get chosen I wish you best of luck in gaining those 16 spots in season 2 (unless you're a total badass and win the open tourney).
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Shock surprise: The sixth group!
Nightend
DeMuslim
Dimaga
Minigun
Thorzaihn
Lzgamer
Kas
Lalush
ProtossPrime
Fruitdealer
Do it! =)
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On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time.
I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street.
The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager.
I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS.
We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list.
So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility.
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Both the Demuslim and Nightend issues are the same thing, if I'm reading correctly - there was a greatly increased chance that the situation would disrupt the league's progress.
Demuslim (probably?) couldn't guarantee he'd be able to play as much as anyone.
Nightend couldn't guarantee he would have access to the US.
Not just that he was wearing a cast or was in the wrong country. Xeris could probably reword that to remove that interpretation.
Sad that IM, Prime and Slayers didn't hear about the NASL until too late. Hopefully we will see more Koreans try and qualify. They seem more open to playing abroad recently (FXOpen, IEM, TSL3).
Those people complaining about professionalism - you will get a great tournament with almost all of the best known players streamed for free for the next half a year. Complain starting from that assumption.
EDIT: Xeris just explained better above re Nightend.
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On March 30 2011 06:34 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 06:20 SpiZe wrote:On March 30 2011 06:11 willeesmalls wrote:
Goddamn I have express my disappointment at allowing inControl to play. All evidence points to the fact that he's not on par with the best competition in skill. He's also involved behind the scenes - doesn't that reek of unprofessionalism?
Funny guy who catches a lot of flak and dishes it out just as well. But this was a poor choice. You see, there is 50 players invited. Obviously some will be better than the others. You are saying that because iNc accepted to cast, he shouldn't be allowed to play? Yes. It's bad enough that the two primary casters are contracted by the participating teams. It's even worse that one of them is participating in the tournament. It really hurts the legitimacy of the tournament. I mean imagine how big of a shitstorm there would be if NFL teams contracted their own referees and commentators. (FYI Xeris is also the manager of Fnatic) I wouldn't mind any of this if NASL was clearly trying to be an amateur tournament. However they are trying to be professional, which means they will be judged by a higher standard.
Artosis has participated in gsl and coached while casting. GSL must totally be a non legit tournament then right????
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as i understand this the people who where "chosen" as underdogs/fan favourites , have only been chosen for the very first season (in the case of fan favourites presumably to generate as much initial interest as possible). this is however only for season 1 and from there it will be pretty much skill based as in the top 34+open tournament winners+next season qualify ect.
is this correct ?
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Haters gonna hate.
I'm happy with the players selection. It's first run and they'll be qualifiers to cycle in fresh talent that didn't make the opening season. Theres no way they could include everyone, and I don't think the skill gap between the top 25 to 100 in the world is easy to determine. mind you I don't think they should have buckled on the 5 players per team rule. I want more diversity in players and teams and I think that rule would have been better for e sports in general.
Go Artosis, Idra and Tyler!
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