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Canada2058 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:30 OTL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:26 znowstorm wrote:
Pretty sure games 1 and 3 were played on EURO as Hasuobs should have been the higher seed. 4 Gate with latency vs 4 gate with less latency...
But latency or no that pylon should not have been in Huk's base. So wp Hasu All games in Huk's series were played on the NA server, as is the case with all games with European and Korean server players. If Huk experienced any more lag than Hasu, it was negligible at worst.
Idra said NA/KR latency was 2x worse than NA/EU latency however. obviously I dunno know how much latency played a role in the results.
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On March 21 2011 09:24 OTL wrote:
Great games today. Only things I will say about the last series is that Morrow made great decisions and deserved to win. However, everyone saying that Jinro did a "greedy build" in the third game is kind of being silly. Morrow went hatch first in a much, much more vulnerable location than Jinro went CC first. One of those can't be greedy and the other be greedy. Either they're both greedy or they're both not greedy.
No because they aren't playing the same race. Terran can have 1 command center and make SCVs non-stop while adding more production facilities to scale with the income. Zerg adds hatcheries to grow economy or army size, and just having a second hatchery is not expanding the same way as building a command center is, since it could just as easily be thought of as additional production facilities built to scale with increasing income due to more and more drones. Zerg can build that hatchery at an expansion or in the base, but there's no reason to do the latter when the former allows you to get an expansion economy faster simply by virtue of being placed closer to minerals. You still need the drones for it to matter, and if you have to pump units to defend it doesn't matter, while Protoss/Terran can non-stop pump workers. It's impossible to think about Terran and Zerg economy in the same terms when they operate so differently.
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Well I had a feeling Hasu would take the series against HuK, so I'm pretty happy with the results so far... but most importantly WhiteRa won! Woo! Now... to go against MC :-/. If he loses there will really be no shame in it, but if he wins... oh god... the forums will crash.
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On March 21 2011 09:35 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao... Yeah, in fact he has top 3 unit control in the world. He said so himself, so it must be true.
Hasu with top 2 control?
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Yeah, does anyone actually know if the thing about there being like 2s lag spikes due to the JP quakes is true? From KR to US?
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On March 21 2011 09:35 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:30 OTL wrote:On March 21 2011 09:26 znowstorm wrote:
Pretty sure games 1 and 3 were played on EURO as Hasuobs should have been the higher seed. 4 Gate with latency vs 4 gate with less latency...
But latency or no that pylon should not have been in Huk's base. So wp Hasu All games in Huk's series were played on the NA server, as is the case with all games with European and Korean server players. If Huk experienced any more lag than Hasu, it was negligible at worst. Idra said NA/KR latency was 2x worse than NA/EU latency however. obviously I dunno know how much latency played a role in the results.
Idra is always looking for excuses though.
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On March 21 2011 09:48 eluv wrote:There's no need to hate on Morrow, he did what he had to to win, but it's equally unfair to hate on other players + Show Spoiler +Like MC FF'ing his way to victory for abusing the current game mechanics. That said, it seems like there is no viable way for Terran to CC first against Zerg, which would be fine, if Zerg was always forced to go speed first. But Zerg can still try hatch first, and with good control come out significantly ahead economically. This leads to a situation where Terran only has a few options really. Since they aren't going to get economic parity playing passively (CC first), they have to do it aggressively. So every Terran needs to get used to controlling a bunker rush, and every Zerg has to get used to holding it, because I just don't see any other viable direction for the matchup unless it's in 1-base all-ins, which I don't think anyone likes. I've never been one to complain about balance, but I certainly think it's possible that with the upcoming stim/bunker nerfs, we could see the matchup swing significantly in Zerg's favor, once they pick up on the fact that they can pretty easily punish the fast-expand Terran. The closest to "even" I see the matchup becoming in the near future, is when the Zerg goes for speed first, and the Terran gets a quick expansion off of 2 barracks and 1 gas, to set up for quicker siege tanks.
What about just sending a really early scout SCV to deny the hatch-first, the same way that P does? I'm not familiar enough with T to know if Ebay blocking is really viable, but it's used often enough that I would expect it to be an option.
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Now I am a big fan of morrow! Sorry jinro..still loving you though ^ ^
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Here's the umpleasant truth : Jinro did not play that well.
Nada held the same build on the same map against july, he really did, with hellions and bunkers.
Jinro on the other hand sacrificed 20 or so scv's to 3 stray banelings, that was atrocious. (similar blunder struck strelok against tyler).
We don't have replays at hand, but it would be nice to study jinro's scans and the like. I feel that he was prepared for a 3 base vs 3 base mm based harras, and that's it.
Maybe he was not optimally prepared against this high eco baneling burst (ie 3 raxes are not enough), which is a relatively new strategy.
Huk was fooled by his own tomfoolery.
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On March 21 2011 09:42 Shooks wrote:
Yeah, does anyone actually know if the thing about there being like 2s lag spikes due to the JP quakes is true? From KR to US?
G'day mate. Just checked some site and found KT (major NET co.) is still ok but other company servers based on US have troubles.. Sorry for no details.
PS. There 2 routes connecting to US. one is via japan to US, the other is via china to US.
KT has both lines , and other co, SK/LG etc have via japan on![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/RpWHh.jpg) ly.
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On March 21 2011 02:29 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Predictions
HasuObs 2-1 HuK
JinrO 1-2 MorroW (really hard call-_-)
Wow, way to predict both of those.
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On March 21 2011 10:13 Datum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 02:29 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Predictions
HasuObs 2-1 HuK
JinrO 1-2 MorroW (really hard call-_-)
Wow, way to predict both of those.
Give him a medal. Not many who would've predicted the exact mapscore.
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Australia8532 Posts
Ahh man.. My TSL brackets just got destroyed.. Why Jinro and HuK - why!?!?!
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Okay so what were the recommended games? Sadly I had to go during the TSL so didn't get to see past the first game, so what are the ones worth watching? Or all they are?
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I enjoyed day 1 more then i enjoyed the games in day 2 Tbh still good though,
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Australia8532 Posts
On March 21 2011 02:29 mTw|NarutO wrote:
A bump after 30 minutes :p! Nazgul Nazgul...
Predictions
MC 2-0 Ciara (MannerNexus)
White-rA 1-2 Loner (T_T hoping for White-rA)
HasuObs 2-1 HuK
JinrO 1-2 MorroW (really hard call-_-)
Edit: How you deleted your own post , hahaha, tricky Nazgul
Your predictions.. i .. i just don't understand how - you must be some sort of psychic! Except for the White-Ra game, but we can forgive that :p
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i dont understand how the fact that jinro didnt even see any banelings in either game till they were at his door has gone over everyones head.
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lol @ everyone hoping MC would lose.
just face it you haters, the guy is good.
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This weekend was really good, but next week is going to be literally INSANE. Btw, husky did a great job at commentating today. I haven't listened to him in months and everyone said he had no game knowledge at all, but he seemed to be pretty intelligent regarding the game. Wheat did the same as always - awesome. The stream had literally no hiccups or anything at all, and it was very well run. I cannot wait for next week!
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