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On March 21 2011 09:08 entropius wrote:
Why is everyone complaining about Morrow's choice to use banelings?
Why is it suddenly cheese if a zerg does early-game aggression? Applying early pressure with a baneling bust is no different than applying early pressure with a group of hellions. Both are things that will kill you if you aren't prepared; the difference is that zerg early pressure consists of just killing you rather than surgically picking off drones, just because zerg doesn't *have* any units like this at t1. The way zerg early aggression works against terran is to just fucking kill them.
It shouldn't be at all notable that ling/baneling beats marine/scv; Morrow faked a 3rd, noted his opponent's composition was vulnerable to a baneling-heavy composition, and used said baneling-heavy composition to kill him.
Zerg is used to having to get all sorts of tech to stay alive against midgame pressure. Turns out a Terran has to make something other than marines to stay alive, too.
Yeah I agree, and even then it's not like you have to kill a Terran with a baneling bust for it to be worth it. If you do enough damage, you can slow him down a lot, make him lose mining time, kill SCVs, kill production facilities, slow down stim, and then switch into drones. It's not like Zerg can't make drones insanely fast if they have the freedom to do so. It's a riskier attack than early roach pressure (much more larvae used), but it's also much more powerful.
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really, husky SC commentating?
unfortunate to see jinro + huk.. I really need to see these games..
XD
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On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao...
Ya man, top 3 in the world.
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On March 21 2011 09:18 DonaldLee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:11 Let it Raine wrote:
people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol Two people with perfect Liquibets so far. Honestly, yesterday's results were far more surprising to me than any of today's. The only two matchups in the Ro32 that would truly surprise me would have been if Ciara had beaten MC and if CrunCher beats IdrA, unless CrunCher wins via cannon rushes or something.
Out of curiosity where can you see who is still left with the perfect liquibets?
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On March 21 2011 09:12 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Reminds me of Ciara's interview: "Think its pretty much impossible to prepare for a guy like him, just really hope I don't lose to some 4gate."
I found this pretty funny, you can only imagine why =)
And he ended up losing to a 3 gate in game 1.
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Watching huk's stream you can see how amazing his unit control is.
In fact i'm pretty surprised at his play as he nearly always 4gates or goes for 3-4 gate blink stalker.
Instead he did a 4gate with shitty micro and two 3gate robos.
I'd like to see an interview with him, if it ever happens, just to see what his thoughts were on the match. Personally I want to blame lag, after all he is in Korea, and probably wanted to stay away from micro-heavy builds.
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On March 21 2011 09:16 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao... Well I didn't see it today, and I haven't seen it recently. So, either he's inconsistent, or it's not true.
Watch the second game again. It was there, for all the world to see. I haven't seen anyone else control three separate armies as fluidly as HuK did. Of course, he was outplayed in Game 1 and botched Game 3 badly--but don't take away from his performance any more than his defeat did.
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Oh wow can't believe HuK and Jinro lost their matches.
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On March 21 2011 09:21 DuneBug wrote:
Watching huk's stream you can see how amazing his unit control is.
In fact i'm pretty surprised at his play as he nearly always 4gates or goes for 3-4 gate blink stalker.
Instead he did a 4gate with shitty micro and two 3gate robos.
I'd like to see an interview with him, if it ever happens, just to see what his thoughts were on the match. Personally I want to blame lag, after all he is in Korea, and probably wanted to stay away from micro-heavy builds.
Even with lag, he made tons of mistakes in game 1, many of which can't actually be attributed to lag.
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Great games today. Only things I will say about the last series is that Morrow made great decisions and deserved to win. However, everyone saying that Jinro did a "greedy build" in the third game is kind of being silly. Morrow went hatch first in a much, much more vulnerable location than Jinro went CC first. One of those can't be greedy and the other be greedy. Either they're both greedy or they're both not greedy.
What they do after that is where they deviated. One got greedy with the tech and one got greedy with fielding a large army. Unfortunately for Jinro and my bracket, Jinro wasn't able to hold with just a huge wall and the tech he was going for does not help against banelings very much. If Jinro makes a couple of rather small decisions differently (which maybe he should have especially done if he suspected a baneling bust and was playing completely in the dark) he holds the bust and when he expands to his third is far ahead. That's it, there's nothing else really to it. Everyone bashing Morrow or claiming imba really might consider taking a break from SC2 for a while. There's zero reason to hate someone for making what turns out to be good decisions and winning. No one plays perfect and there's absolutely no shame losing two out of three games to anyone in the TSL (regardless of what some people say about how much "better" or "worse" some players are).
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On March 21 2011 09:23 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:16 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao... Well I didn't see it today, and I haven't seen it recently. So, either he's inconsistent, or it's not true. Watch the second game again. It was there, for all the world to see. I haven't seen anyone else control three separate armies as fluidly as HuK did. Of course, he was outplayed in Game 1 and botched Game 3 badly--but don't take away from his performance any more than his defeat did.
i especially loved the part where he had the 3 armies on move command O.o and walked his stalkers right on by the army
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On March 21 2011 09:23 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:16 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao... Well I didn't see it today, and I haven't seen it recently. So, either he's inconsistent, or it's not true. Watch the second game again. It was there, for all the world to see. I haven't seen anyone else control three separate armies as fluidly as HuK did. Of course, he was outplayed in Game 1 and botched Game 3 badly--but don't take away from his performance any more than his defeat did.
So he played 1 great game, and two mediocre games, and this somehow makes him one of the players with the best control in the world?
Shit, I can do marine splits like MKP once in a while, but that doesn't mean I have as good of micro as him.
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Pretty sure games 1 and 3 were played on EURO as Hasuobs should have been the higher seed. 4 Gate with latency vs 4 gate with less latency...
But latency or no that pylon should not have been in Huk's base. So wp Hasu
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Overall very entertaining matches I have to say. And sooo many viewers, the sponsors must be pleased with that.
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On March 21 2011 09:18 DonaldLee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:11 Let it Raine wrote:
people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol Two people with perfect Liquibets so far. Honestly, yesterday's results were far more surprising to me than any of today's. The only two matchups in the Ro32 that would truly surprise me would have been if Ciara had beaten MC and if CrunCher beats IdrA, unless CrunCher wins via cannon rushes or something.
I think it's perfectly believable that Cruncher could reasonably beat IdrA in a Bo3 depending on maps. If he follows a very strong standard 1 base push, I don't see how he's necessarily an underdog. Cruncher is not a beast protoss player by any means, but he is decent enough (I think he lost 2-1 to IdrA in Justintv invitational a couple days ago).
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I think one lesson from this is that remote international play is not good enough for e-sports unless Blizzard can figure out how ICCup latency was so awesome and copy it.
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On March 21 2011 09:26 znowstorm wrote:
Pretty sure games 1 and 3 were played on EURO as Hasuobs should have been the higher seed. 4 Gate with latency vs 4 gate with less latency...
But latency or no that pylon should not have been in Huk's base. So wp Hasu
All games in Huk's series were played on the NA server, as is the case with all games with European and Korean server players. If Huk experienced any more lag than Hasu, it was negligible at worst.
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On March 21 2011 09:26 znowstorm wrote:
Pretty sure games 1 and 3 were played on EURO as Hasuobs should have been the higher seed. 4 Gate with latency vs 4 gate with less latency...
But latency or no that pylon should not have been in Huk's base. So wp Hasu
Pretty sure EU vs Korea games are played on US.
None of the games where that big of an upset to me, sure both huk and jinro were slightly favored in my eyes as well but not like it's shocking that they lost.
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On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao...
Yeah, in fact he has top 3 unit control in the world. He said so himself, so it must be true.
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On March 21 2011 09:20 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:18 DonaldLee wrote:On March 21 2011 09:11 Let it Raine wrote:
people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol Two people with perfect Liquibets so far. Honestly, yesterday's results were far more surprising to me than any of today's. The only two matchups in the Ro32 that would truly surprise me would have been if Ciara had beaten MC and if CrunCher beats IdrA, unless CrunCher wins via cannon rushes or something. Out of curiosity where can you see who is still left with the perfect liquibets?
http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/ranking.php
Here you go
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