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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:51:16
March 21 2011 01:49 GMT
#6781
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both. His decision making is also very good, but he seems to take the most solid of builds and expands on them, which is easily exploitable. He also seems to follow the map pool alot, expanding on typical FE maps, etc, which leaves him open to all-ins. He has a hard time adapting to different styles as well.

HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.

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nalho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States351 Posts
March 21 2011 01:52 GMT
#6782
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both. His decision making is also very good, but he seems to take the most solid of builds and expands on them, which is easily exploitable. He also seems to follow the map pool alot, expanding on typical FE maps, etc, which leaves him open to all-ins. He has a hard time adapting to different styles as well.

HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.



Let's not forget that Jinro has been to the semi of two Code S GSLs. That's an amazing feat for any player to achieve.
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XothermeK
Profile Joined May 2010
United Arab Emirates245 Posts
March 21 2011 01:53 GMT
#6783
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both. His decision making is also very good, but he seems to take the most solid of builds and expands on them, which is easily exploitable. He also seems to follow the map pool alot, expanding on typical FE maps, etc, which leaves him open to all-ins. He has a hard time adapting to different styles as well.

HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.



THIS
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:56:00
March 21 2011 01:55 GMT
#6784
huk also only had to play one matchup for his whole code a run, and that was PVZ so all he had to practice was one matchup. and its pvz
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
March 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#6785
We've all seen Huk play some STELLAR games in replays or on his stream. He's shown games that are truly top of S class. But for some reason, he does poorly in tournaments. It could be like MC says, he's nervous.
LiGhtoftheSwaRm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States39 Posts
March 21 2011 01:59 GMT
#6786
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.


Ditto

And I understand HuK's worst matchup is PvP. Doesn't matter, he's a great player, but not a top tier player. There's a different league that players like MC, MvP, MarineKing, and foreigners like Jinro and IdrA. Maybe HuK gets there eventually. But I feel his decision making is far too stylistic and less of a solid and mechanical Protoss play such as MC.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
March 21 2011 02:00 GMT
#6787
On March 21 2011 10:57 Gentso wrote:
We've all seen Huk play some STELLAR games in replays or on his stream. He's shown games that are truly top of S class. But for some reason, he does poorly in tournaments. It could be like MC says, he's nervous.

I'm willing to bet that MC knows for a fact that nerves are a big part of it. MC has probably given him advice in that department too, since he has nerves of steel.
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
March 21 2011 02:00 GMT
#6788
Doesn't the lag depend more on where in the world the game's host is than where the server is? I though the bnet servers were just brokers for the games.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
March 21 2011 02:00 GMT
#6789
Feels like people are consistently willing to eat guaranteed bans to martyr themselves in the misguided perception that their opinion of "balance" or "cheese" is legit and will be noticed. I really feel sorry for the mods having to deal with the GSL Finals thread, and now this one. I know for sure that Jinro himself wouldn't want to read the last fifty pages.

Once again, I'd like to thank everyone involved for a great day. Special props to Husky for ignoring his haters and giving a performance he can be proud of. It's a rare gift to constantly have something to say without repeating yourself or "umm" and "ermm" popping up every sentence. I hope you become more comfortable with having a co-caster and let djWHEAT speak a little more in the future.

Congratulations to MorroW for once again being well prepared for your opponent and not afraid to execute whatever required. And to Hasu for proving once again that Germany's PvP is something to be feared even by Korean training standards.

Most definitely looking forward to next week.
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
March 21 2011 02:04 GMT
#6790
On March 21 2011 11:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 10:57 Gentso wrote:
We've all seen Huk play some STELLAR games in replays or on his stream. He's shown games that are truly top of S class. But for some reason, he does poorly in tournaments. It could be like MC says, he's nervous.

I'm willing to bet that MC knows for a fact that nerves are a big part of it. MC has probably given him advice in that department too, since he has nerves of steel.


I recall many players saying that MC was very very good and they all said that it was his nerves that were holding him back.
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Owii
Profile Joined July 2010
United States357 Posts
March 21 2011 02:04 GMT
#6791
On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:
On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:
On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games.


lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol



No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players.


You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao...


Huk has some of the best unit control in the whole world, according to Huk.
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 02:12:11
March 21 2011 02:07 GMT
#6792
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both. His decision making is also very good, but he seems to take the most solid of builds and expands on them, which is easily exploitable. He also seems to follow the map pool alot, expanding on typical FE maps, etc, which leaves him open to all-ins. He has a hard time adapting to different styles as well.

HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.



Actually from what I've seen of Jinro today and also in some GSL games, his micro is close to godly at times. But I agree he seems to strongly sticks to practiced/popular metagamey builds, which can be a disadvantage at times; he just seemed underprepared for the baneling bust build Morrow used on the GSL maps, probably because it's not that popular where he plays.

I do agree about HuK though. All the recent games I've seen of him is him barely scraping by with a win or dominated thoroughly and/or just straight up dying to something silly. His mechanics seem to be pretty good, but his decision making/builds feel more questionable than not.
What this
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 21 2011 02:07 GMT
#6793
This thread is as disgraceful as the gsl finals thread.
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leser
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia239 Posts
March 21 2011 02:10 GMT
#6794
are there any vods up? will there be? My bandwith is insufficient for the HQ stream, and the LQ is pretty shitty, picture is still like 70% of the time, only the audio is streaming properly

i checked the ustream page of TLtv but to no avail, the user has no recorded videos
lulz
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 21 2011 02:10 GMT
#6795
On March 21 2011 11:07 Canucklehead wrote:
This thread is as disgraceful as the gsl finals thread.



Why, because were not worshipping a player that you like?
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
March 21 2011 02:14 GMT
#6796
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both.


I'm sorry for kinda off-topic'ing you post, but this special sentence, I have to totally disagree. Even thought jinro made a total blunder of sacrificing 8 siege tanks for free, and still totally destroyed that multitude of banelings and zerglings with purely marines and one of the best micromanagement you'd ever see.

Jinro may be greedy, maybe he makes one or other decision not perfectly, but you CAN'T say that his micro isn't exceptional. It is just that his micro is overshadowed by his MACRO.
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cowlol
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3 Posts
March 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#6797
is it just me...or is wheat not as entertaining as Husky or Day9? I feel his voice is kind of a bore, although his content is pretty good and insightful. I just find his voice lackluster.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 02:20:28
March 21 2011 02:17 GMT
#6798
On March 21 2011 06:44 Exarl25 wrote:
This thread is fucking disgusting, last time I read a LR thread.

Morrow played very well and most definitely deserved the win. Jinro made a mistake by going for such greedy builds and was punished for it.

But no the fanboys on here can't see that. Whine, whine, OP, cheese, whine, whine, do anything possible to downplay Morrow's achievement. It's a fucking disgrace.


Exactly this.

I don't have a lot of posts and this account I have is new one but I am lurking these forums from beginning and I just absolutely love TLnet but critical amount of these "MorroW bashing" alike posts is making me want to puke.

People really lost a bit of their mind and a lot of topics are ruined by fanboys. Awesome people make great event like this, you have choice to have most enjoyable time watching amazing players compete playing game you all love but you chose to be stubborn and blind fanboys in form of crazed and angry intrawebz trolls.

This game isn't perfect and there are sure easier and harder playstyles, but I don't want to be part of balance debate on topic like this so I'll just ask you this: what the heck do you want? "No attacking until 200/200 and fully upgraded" rule in tourney games? People play to win, and they are using all available but legit assets to achieve that. Just enjoy watching them, SC2 is awesome game!

As much as I am disgusted by most of posts on this topic I am very pleased to see that ClouD and a lot of others got warned for their rants and mean posts driven by fanboy anger. At least we can see that TL mods/admins are still trying to do their best.

GG GJ to today's players, games were extremely pleasing and thanks to TLnet for organizing one of most enjoyable events I followed by now (minus the most of forum posts obviously). <3

On March 21 2011 11:10 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 11:07 Canucklehead wrote:
This thread is as disgraceful as the gsl finals thread.



Why, because were not worshipping a player that you like?


Or maybe because worshipers at general and their behavior? Think about it.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 02:20:29
March 21 2011 02:19 GMT
#6799
On March 21 2011 10:49 StyLeD wrote:
Well, both HuK and Jinro receive a disproportionate amount of fanbase on these forums, even though Jinro deserves it, but nothing Jinro has done shows that he is a clear cut above everyone else. He doesn't have exceptional micro, his macro is superb but doesn't make him unbeatable like MC, who has both. His decision making is also very good, but he seems to take the most solid of builds and expands on them, which is easily exploitable. He also seems to follow the map pool alot, expanding on typical FE maps, etc, which leaves him open to all-ins. He has a hard time adapting to different styles as well.

HuK is just plain overrated. From him boasting in every interview that he's the best in the crowd, to him failing to show up at every single tournament. His Code A run was won by being a little bit better than his mediocre opponents, and his Up and Down matches were PvP luck-based. He got owned by Inca, a PvP master, and even choya (win-in-under-2-bases) took a game off him with game 3 being a coin flip.



Pretty solid post. Jinro deserves all the praise though, hes an amazing player and has shown that thru consistent results.
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ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
March 21 2011 02:31 GMT
#6800
MC only needed 3 gates against Ciara. hahaha.
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