On March 21 2011 13:53 Skillz_Man wrote: Just watched Huk vs Hasu game 3... And Huskys casting bugs me. He's a good speaker, but his knowledge is kind of weird. I feel like most things he says are wrong. Just like when he says "If Hasu gave 50-60 seconds more to HuK to get his immortals out HuK could have held" Now this is wrong on both levels. Hasu is 4 gating yet he would wait 50 more seconds... okay... Next of all, zealot + stalker > immortal + zealot/sentry/stalker on an open battle field.
Simply put I disagreed with many things he said and I prefer the Day9 Chill combo. I have heard worse however, so it's all good!
Would you rather him just say, "Oh Huk hasn't scouted the pylon, he loses the game".?
I don't know how i feel about husky's casting. It seem like he never improved. Listening to him he sounds confident loud and energetic. Then you listen closely half of stuff coming from his mouth are false detailed. He should have prepare better.
On March 21 2011 13:53 Skillz_Man wrote: Just watched Huk vs Hasu game 3... And Huskys casting bugs me. He's a good speaker, but his knowledge is kind of weird. I feel like most things he says are wrong. Just like when he says "If Hasu gave 50-60 seconds more to HuK to get his immortals out HuK could have held" Now this is wrong on both levels. Hasu is 4 gating yet he would wait 50 more seconds... okay... Next of all, zealot + stalker > immortal + zealot/sentry/stalker on an open battle field.
Simply put I disagreed with many things he said and I prefer the Day9 Chill combo. I have heard worse however, so it's all good!
Would you rather him just say, "Oh Huk hasn't scouted the pylon, he loses the game".?
Nope, I'd prefer doing it like Day9.
"THIS PYLON IS CRUTIAL! IF HUK DOESN'T SCOUT THERE WILL BE NOTHING HE CAN DO"
It reminds me of that one GSL match where we had those other commentators and one player was battlecruiser rushing and they just ignored it. Anyway, I just felt that their cast was somewhat lost without a higher level player commentating.
On March 21 2011 14:07 lazyfeet wrote: I don't know how i feel about husky's casting. It seem like he never improved. Listening to him he sounds confident loud and energetic. Then you listen closely half of stuff coming from his mouth are false detailed. He should have prepare better.
Husky does too much solo commentating. His strength is his color commentating; in that way he's very much like Tasteless (half the stuff Tasteless says is untrue or very, very, very basic as well). Once he gets some practice with a more analytical cocaster, he should be superb at what he does.
Yeah, agreed with what most people have said... Need at least one analytical caster in each duo... DJWheat is an amazing color commentator and play-by-play commentator, but he doesn't have the in-depth SC2 knowledge.
Husky was honestly better than I expected him to be, and overall I think he did a good job. However, the lack of deeper strategic knowledge ended up hurting the casting
So, we need someone like Day[9] and Artosis in every casting duo...
Just watched the VODs of the HuK games.. Going down to a proxy pylon i am so depressed right now.. Wasn't even a coinflip - just a straight out scouting failure
On March 21 2011 03:29 DestroManiak wrote: I hate how some people think people need to say gg If someone is annoyed they do not have to gg Why would anyone care about a gg, so obviously insincere
QFT
Not to mention that MC totally disrespected Ciara in his pre-match interview:
Q: Your opponent is ieS-Ciara, a Zerg from Denmark. Do you know anything about him?
All I know is that he’s not that great a player.
Why is it considered perfectly fine to outright put down your opponent's skill before the game, but a horrible breach of manners for that opponent not to offer a formal and insincere GG after losing a game (which was not actually very good)?
Oh, internet, why do I still expect you to be rational?
On March 21 2011 03:29 DestroManiak wrote: I hate how some people think people need to say gg If someone is annoyed they do not have to gg Why would anyone care about a gg, so obviously insincere
QFT
Not to mention that MC totally disrespected Ciara in his pre-match interview:
Q: Your opponent is ieS-Ciara, a Zerg from Denmark. Do you know anything about him?
All I know is that he’s not that great a player.
Why is it considered perfectly fine to outright put down your opponent's skill before the game, but a horrible breach of manners for that opponent not to offer a formal and insincere GG after losing a game (which was not actually very good)?
Oh, internet, why do I still expect you to be rational?
On March 21 2011 03:29 DestroManiak wrote: I hate how some people think people need to say gg If someone is annoyed they do not have to gg Why would anyone care about a gg, so obviously insincere
QFT
Not to mention that MC totally disrespected Ciara in his pre-match interview:
Q: Your opponent is ieS-Ciara, a Zerg from Denmark. Do you know anything about him?
All I know is that he’s not that great a player.
Why is it considered perfectly fine to outright put down your opponent's skill before the game, but a horrible breach of manners for that opponent not to offer a formal and insincere GG after losing a game (which was not actually very good)?
Oh, internet, why do I still expect you to be rational?
On March 21 2011 03:29 DestroManiak wrote: I hate how some people think people need to say gg If someone is annoyed they do not have to gg Why would anyone care about a gg, so obviously insincere
QFT
Not to mention that MC totally disrespected Ciara in his pre-match interview:
Q: Your opponent is ieS-Ciara, a Zerg from Denmark. Do you know anything about him?
All I know is that he’s not that great a player.
Why is it considered perfectly fine to outright put down your opponent's skill before the game, but a horrible breach of manners for that opponent not to offer a formal and insincere GG after losing a game (which was not actually very good)?
Oh, internet, why do I still expect you to be rational?
To be honest, Ciara rarely says gg anyway.
Maybe he says it when he actually feels it was a good game?
On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote: I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh?
Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game.
I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing.
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings
That bust in G1 hits at the same time you get blueflame on hellions. You lose 2 barracks but you hold everything without losing scvs. Again, this series was totally disappointing and I really don't respect Morrow decision to blindly cheese in g1 and g3 in such an important tournament.
The third game was questionable. I was looking at the production tab and praying for drones. Then all those lings came... In the deciding match, cross-positions, I really don't get why you would want to rely on your opponent to not defend a bust when you've done it in the two previous games.
But game 1, in a best of three, I think was really smart. Jinro didn't see it coming at all. Don't get why you would ever lose respect for him because of that. StarCraft is a game of hidden information. You have to bluff a certain percentage, otherwise you won't win as much as you should.
The way Morrow played in g1 and g3 are blind builds who can't rely on scouting. In a progamer level game you simply don't have the tools to scout either the 2 base baneling bust or what the terran is doing in time. Morrow knows this well and he decided to go for some blind risk build, showing that he felt terribly inferior and wouldn't want to face Jinro in a straight match. Knowing Morrow as a very rational person and player I don't respect his choice to not put his real decision skills in a longer game. This was just blind build order counter with a 50% ratio of win/loss.
Most people, even Morrow would probably say Jinro is the better player so a 50 % chance is actually pretty good if you are in Morrow's shoes.
Then I feel I have every right to be disappointed at the state of the game and at the fact this series could be awesome and it turned out to be some cheesy bullshit.
Huh turns out MorroW didn't do blind builds in g1 and g3 and based it off how Jinro usually plays. So MorroW actually showed that he prepared for his opponent. Just based on that I would say MorroW showed he wasn't inferior to Jinro.
On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote: I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh?
Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game.
I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing.
I guess you have a pretty literal brain. "gg" doesn't MEAN "good game" -- it means, "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners.
I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg".
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings
That bust in G1 hits at the same time you get blueflame on hellions. You lose 2 barracks but you hold everything without losing scvs. Again, this series was totally disappointing and I really don't respect Morrow decision to blindly cheese in g1 and g3 in such an important tournament.
The third game was questionable. I was looking at the production tab and praying for drones. Then all those lings came... In the deciding match, cross-positions, I really don't get why you would want to rely on your opponent to not defend a bust when you've done it in the two previous games.
But game 1, in a best of three, I think was really smart. Jinro didn't see it coming at all. Don't get why you would ever lose respect for him because of that. StarCraft is a game of hidden information. You have to bluff a certain percentage, otherwise you won't win as much as you should.
The way Morrow played in g1 and g3 are blind builds who can't rely on scouting. In a progamer level game you simply don't have the tools to scout either the 2 base baneling bust or what the terran is doing in time. Morrow knows this well and he decided to go for some blind risk build, showing that he felt terribly inferior and wouldn't want to face Jinro in a straight match. Knowing Morrow as a very rational person and player I don't respect his choice to not put his real decision skills in a longer game. This was just blind build order counter with a 50% ratio of win/loss.
Most people, even Morrow would probably say Jinro is the better player so a 50 % chance is actually pretty good if you are in Morrow's shoes.
Then I feel I have every right to be disappointed at the state of the game and at the fact this series could be awesome and it turned out to be some cheesy bullshit.
Huh turns out MorroW didn't do blind builds in g1 and g3 and based it off how Jinro usually plays. So MorroW actually showed that he prepared for his opponent. Just based on that I would say MorroW showed he wasn't inferior to Jinro.
MorroW used a risky build against a player who isn't known for his great skills in the early game.. They were pretty blindly executed, but worked really well.. It's pretty annoying that 2 games were decided with a baneling bust pretty lame - i would have loved to have seen 3 epic macro games from these two Swedes but i guess you play to win, and noone can argue with that..
On the post above; overall, i think the majority of people would agree Jinro is the better player; this series really didn't prove anything
On March 21 2011 07:02 hugman wrote: @MYM.ClouD: On Taldarim Morrow scouted the 3-rax and saw all the geysers I don't remember how much he scouted on Crevasse but probably something similar
It wasn't as blind as you make it out to be
It was blind because you always make the 3 barracks wall if you open FE, then you follow up with any of the common FE build orders. It was blind decision and it turned out right but if Jinro decided to open marine blueflame hellions (like he did for example vs idra in their most recent games) he would have had a build order win. I think these games were terrible and didn't show 10% of the awesomeness this bo3 could have had.
I disagree but w/e we'll never know That bust in G1 hit before blue flame would've been done, and Morrow had an assload of speedlings
That bust in G1 hits at the same time you get blueflame on hellions. You lose 2 barracks but you hold everything without losing scvs. Again, this series was totally disappointing and I really don't respect Morrow decision to blindly cheese in g1 and g3 in such an important tournament.
The third game was questionable. I was looking at the production tab and praying for drones. Then all those lings came... In the deciding match, cross-positions, I really don't get why you would want to rely on your opponent to not defend a bust when you've done it in the two previous games.
But game 1, in a best of three, I think was really smart. Jinro didn't see it coming at all. Don't get why you would ever lose respect for him because of that. StarCraft is a game of hidden information. You have to bluff a certain percentage, otherwise you won't win as much as you should.
The way Morrow played in g1 and g3 are blind builds who can't rely on scouting. In a progamer level game you simply don't have the tools to scout either the 2 base baneling bust or what the terran is doing in time. Morrow knows this well and he decided to go for some blind risk build, showing that he felt terribly inferior and wouldn't want to face Jinro in a straight match. Knowing Morrow as a very rational person and player I don't respect his choice to not put his real decision skills in a longer game. This was just blind build order counter with a 50% ratio of win/loss.
Most people, even Morrow would probably say Jinro is the better player so a 50 % chance is actually pretty good if you are in Morrow's shoes.
Then I feel I have every right to be disappointed at the state of the game and at the fact this series could be awesome and it turned out to be some cheesy bullshit.
Huh turns out MorroW didn't do blind builds in g1 and g3 and based it off how Jinro usually plays. So MorroW actually showed that he prepared for his opponent. Just based on that I would say MorroW showed he wasn't inferior to Jinro.
MorroW used a risky build against a player who isn't known for his great skills in the early game.. They were pretty blindly executed, but worked really well.. It's pretty annoying that 2 games were decided with a baneling bust pretty lame - i would have loved to have seen 3 epic macro games from these two Swedes but i guess you play to win, and noone can argue with that..
On the post above; overall, i think the majority of people would agree Jinro is the better player; this series really didn't prove anything
Q: You used some well-timed midgame baneling busts in the two games you won. Was this planned, or were you improving?
I hadn't planned to do it originally, but in the first game it looked too tempting, the way he made his wallin i knew 3 raxes would blow up by striking in the middle. Also I knew that Jinros playstyle is to get quick medivacs rather than the hellions or siege tanks.
But I definitely practiced all playstyles for this match the last few days, so desperation never crossed my mind. The second game however I felt like I had made so many lings and I had fallen behind early, so I felt that I had to do something to get back into the game. I knew that playing a standard game would hardly let me come back vs Jinro on a map that fits his playstyle very well (tanks on the cliff, midgame harass and split troops). However, I failed the attack and it went into a macro game and it became a living nightmare. I did OK considering that I fell behind a lot early on, but it wasn't enough.
The last game I felt, 'Ok Jinro, you didn't go for the siege tanks or hellions any of the 2 previous games and you went for this style as well and vs Idra in GSL.' Pretty much every game he used the same style, so I felt he was a bit too comfortable and predictable with it, so I went for it and took the chance.
It didn't work out so well, until 10-15 SCVs blew up, and from there I knew I had won the game if I didn't make any blunders.
EPT
i am so depressed right now.. Wasn't even a coinflip - just a straight out scouting failure 
Oh, internet, why do I still expect you to be rational?
