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On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo.
I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument).
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On March 21 2011 15:08 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo. Show nested quote +I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument).
Well, welcome to manners. I hope your literalist brain gets you through life social situations ok!
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On March 21 2011 15:13 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:08 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo. I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument). Well, welcome to manners. I hope your literalist brain gets you through life social situations ok! Thank you for introducing me to manners. Welcome to life, where not everyone always agrees with you. I hope your well-mannered brain comes to realize that there's nothing magical about conventions except that people agree on them and the only thing objectively wrong is hypocrisy.
(See, we know how to be polite to each other!  )
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Thank you for introducing me to manners. Welcome to life, where not everyone always agrees with you. I hope your well-mannered brain comes to realize that there's nothing magical about conventions except that people agree on them and the only thing objectively wrong is hypocrisy.
(See, we know how to be polite to each other! )
Love TL, everyone is so friendly ^_^
Anyways, manners are a strange thing... but it's all opinion and what offends or etc. a person depends on that person. So it's nice to have good manners but if you don't have good manners, it's not exactly "bad", more just "neutral". However bad manners are a different topic... xD
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Damn I just woke up and saw the results.. Man I couldn't watch the games but is sc2 that random? All the clear favorites are out in day 2 + FD in day 1 ! Looks like only mc is consistent
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On March 21 2011 15:22 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:13 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 15:08 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo. I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument). Well, welcome to manners. I hope your literalist brain gets you through life social situations ok! Thank you for introducing me to manners. Welcome to life, where not everyone always agrees with you. I hope your well-mannered brain comes to realize that there's nothing magical about conventions except that people agree on them and the only thing objectively wrong is hypocrisy. (See, we know how to be polite to each other! )
This discussion is annoying me
Premise 1: Bad manners are to go against the generally accepted social norms for a given community/situation.
Premise 2: To have bad manners is considered rude.
Premise 3: One of the accepted social norms within the starcraft community is to say "gg" when you have lost, and in reply to an opponent who has lost and said it to you first.
From this we can see, that to not say GG at the appropriate time is to have bad manners within the starcraft community, and to be considered rude.
EDIT: also you are correct, it is not considered rude to not say good morning to someone, unless ofcourse they have said it to you first in which case it is certainly rude, manners are situational and entirely dependent on social convention. This however does not mean that it cannot be objectively wrong to have bad manners. Think of them like virtue ethics. Courage is a subjective concept, but to have courage and be courageous is objectively good. Similarly, to do what counts as bad mannered is intrinsically and objectively a bad quality to have, by the very nature of their definition, just like how murder is alway wrong, murder is wrong by definition, unlike killing or manslaughter.
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The difference between foreign and korean starcraft players... a korean only needs a 3gate pressure build to beat a foreigner in 5mins.
edit: to the guy using the good morning manner example... Have you noticed in sports they shake hands after a game as a manner of showing sportsmanship? And notice the simalarity that if they don't shake hands with someone its considered bad sportsmanship.. BM a tackle in soccer and they won't shake your hand because they are pissed off... Ciara probably thought it was a 4gate and got pissed of before of that... LOL
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On March 21 2011 15:36 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:22 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:13 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 15:08 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo. I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument). Well, welcome to manners. I hope your literalist brain gets you through life social situations ok! Thank you for introducing me to manners. Welcome to life, where not everyone always agrees with you. I hope your well-mannered brain comes to realize that there's nothing magical about conventions except that people agree on them and the only thing objectively wrong is hypocrisy. (See, we know how to be polite to each other! ) This discussion is annoying me Premise 1: Bad manners are to go against the generally accepted social norms for a given community/situation. Premise 2: To have bad manners is considered rude. Premise 3: One of the accepted social norms within the starcraft community is to say "gg" when you have lost, and in reply to an opponent who has lost and said it to you first. From this we can see, that to not say GG at the appropriate time is to have bad manners within the starcraft community, and to be considered rude. I'm torn about whether to respond again or just to drop the discussion, since I have no desire to annoy people over an issue that doesn't actually mean all that much to me. I guess my compromise is this: I'll respond to this last post and then I'll drop the subject.
OK, so what I meant about "objectively wrong" is this: suppose you and I disagree about what "good manners" should be. Who's to determine which of us is right? Apparently, Ciara never subscribed to the memo that "good manners" necessitate GGing after every game. That's why I think that the only objective way to say that someone's manners are bad is to show that they are bad even by his standards--that is, that the guy has a double standard. Otherwise, sure you can show that they are bad by your standards, but what makes your standards binding on anyone but you?
You addressed that in your post, though: you say that GGing after every game has become the default standard of the Starcraft community, and (as I understand your point) someone who wants to be part of that community should accept its standards. That's a pretty fair point, and for argument's sake I'll buy it completely. There's still one outstanding point here, which is that in his pre-match interview, MC called Ciara out as "not a great player". Isn't that at least as disrespectful of one's opponent as an omitted GG, and shouldn't that be considered bad manners as well? If it is, why dump on Ciara?
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On March 21 2011 15:56 qrs wrote:
OK, so what I meant about "objectively wrong" is this: suppose you and I disagree about what "good manners" should be. Who's to determine which of us is right? Apparently, Ciara never subscribed to the memo that "good manners" necessitate GGing after every game. That's why I think that the only objective way to say that someone's manners are bad is to show that they are bad even by his standards--that is, that the guy has a double standard. Otherwise, sure you can show that they are bad by your standards, but what makes your standards binding on anyone but you?
How is it objective if the only way to determine it is to look at it according to his standards? That's not what objective means and it's not even what "manners" mean. Jeeze dude, manners are ABOUT society. Saying manners aren't binding if you don't agree to them makes as much sense as saying gravity isn't binding if you don't agree to it.
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On March 21 2011 15:56 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:36 Mogget wrote:On March 21 2011 15:22 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:13 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 15:08 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 15:00 suejak wrote:On March 21 2011 14:55 qrs wrote:On March 21 2011 14:48 suejak wrote:
I guess you guys probably don't say "excuse me," "please," or "thank you" either, huh? Well, I say all of these things when I think they're called for. I say "excuse me" if I accidentally bump into someone or otherwise inconvenience them. I say "please" if I am asking someone to do me a favor. I say "thank you" if someone does me a favor. I say "gg" if I enjoyed the game. I guess it's a bit like "good morning": if someone says good morning when I pass them in the street, I might think, "that was nice of them to say", but if they don't say it, I don't think "how rude!" In other words, I don't think anyone owes me a good morning or that I owe anyone that. That goes double if when they aren't exchanging formal greetings with me, they are busy giving interviews about how I'm not very good at the game we are supposed to be playing. "We played a game and now it's over; I lost. Thank you for it." It's manners. OK, if you prefer those words, use those. I don't see a need to thank my opponent for every game that I lose. If it weren't a tournament, I would see your point more, but as it is, MC was not playing Ciara as a favor to him. He was playing Ciara because that was his opponent in the tournament. Formalized thanks should not be a requirement for playing a game, imo. I guess the fact that everybody thought it was hilarious and are still talking about it on the forum is, well, punishment enough for Ciara's not saying "gg". Yeah, fair enough; I doubt Ciara cares that much, but on the other hand, we all care a little bit whether other people agree with us (otherwise you and I wouldn't be having this argument). Well, welcome to manners. I hope your literalist brain gets you through life social situations ok! Thank you for introducing me to manners. Welcome to life, where not everyone always agrees with you. I hope your well-mannered brain comes to realize that there's nothing magical about conventions except that people agree on them and the only thing objectively wrong is hypocrisy. (See, we know how to be polite to each other! ) This discussion is annoying me Premise 1: Bad manners are to go against the generally accepted social norms for a given community/situation. Premise 2: To have bad manners is considered rude. Premise 3: One of the accepted social norms within the starcraft community is to say "gg" when you have lost, and in reply to an opponent who has lost and said it to you first. From this we can see, that to not say GG at the appropriate time is to have bad manners within the starcraft community, and to be considered rude. I'm torn about whether to respond again or just to drop the discussion, since I have no desire to annoy people over an issue that doesn't actually mean all that much to me. I guess my compromise is this: I'll respond to this last post and then I'll drop the subject. OK, so what I meant about "objectively wrong" is this: suppose you and I disagree about what "good manners" should be. Who's to determine which of us is right? Apparently, Ciara never subscribed to the memo that "good manners" necessitate GGing after every game. That's why I think that the only objective way to say that someone's manners are bad is to show that they are bad even by his standards--that is, that the guy has a double standard. Otherwise, sure you can show that they are bad by your standards, but what makes your standards binding on anyone but you? You addressed that in your post, though: you say that GGing after every game has become the default standard of the Starcraft community, and (as I understand your point) someone who wants to be part of that community should accept its standards. That's a pretty fair point, and for argument's sake I'll buy it completely. There's still one outstanding point here, which is that in his pre-match interview, MC called Ciara out as "not a great player". Isn't that at least as disrespectful of one's opponent as an omitted GG, and shouldn't that be considered bad manners as well? If it is, why dump on Ciara?
I would say we are in agreement about you last point regarding MC, although calling a player bad before a match could be considered smack talk which has its place in the conventions of sport, that said, i do think MC is often over the top and rude. You have to admit though, MC's version sure is funnier than omitting a GG  proxy nexus anyone?
But in regards to your first claim in this reply, i perhaps did not explain myself properly in my post, and i will attempt to re-phrase here.
There is no such thing as "objective good manners" but, i can objectively HAVE "good manners" good manners (etiquette) are completely dependent on the norms of whatever situation/culture/community you find yourself within, (as you pick up on in your second paragraph) what IS objective, is that you should have good manners, and those manners are whatever your situation/culture/community says they are. The manners themselves are completely contingent but still exist, and, as such, it does not matter if he thinks that not saying GG is fine, because the convention disagrees with him, he is OBJECTIVELY wrong about a CONTINGENT fact.
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Just see how many custom games play morrow versus top terrans of europe .He was realy high motivated.
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On March 21 2011 16:07 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 15:56 qrs wrote:
OK, so what I meant about "objectively wrong" is this: suppose you and I disagree about what "good manners" should be. Who's to determine which of us is right? Apparently, Ciara never subscribed to the memo that "good manners" necessitate GGing after every game. That's why I think that the only objective way to say that someone's manners are bad is to show that they are bad even by his standards--that is, that the guy has a double standard. Otherwise, sure you can show that they are bad by your standards, but what makes your standards binding on anyone but you? How is it objective if the only way to determine it is to look at it according to his standards? That's not what objective means and it's not even what "manners" mean. Jeeze dude, manners are ABOUT society. Saying manners aren't binding if you don't agree to them makes as much sense as saying gravity isn't binding if you don't agree to it. You both make good points, and I actually am finding this an interesting discussion, but at the same time I did say I would drop the discussion after my last post, and I'm starting to feel guilty for cluttering the thread, so if you think the discussion is worth having, start a new thread for it, and I'll respond there. Otherwise, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess.
To keep this post from being entirely off-topic, I'll make the on-topic comment that I agree with a previous poster (forgot who it was) that the casting teams should be split up and paired off. A good commentating team should have one color commentator with a deep knowledge of the game (i.e. Chill or Day[9]) and one play-by-play guy with a decent understanding of the game and a strong capacity for enthusiasm (i.e. Husky or DJ Wheat). I'm not saying that the current commentary needs repairing, but re-pairing the casters would only improve it, imo.
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On March 21 2011 09:19 hypnobean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 09:08 entropius wrote:
Why is everyone complaining about Morrow's choice to use banelings?
Why is it suddenly cheese if a zerg does early-game aggression? Applying early pressure with a baneling bust is no different than applying early pressure with a group of hellions. Both are things that will kill you if you aren't prepared; the difference is that zerg early pressure consists of just killing you rather than surgically picking off drones, just because zerg doesn't *have* any units like this at t1. The way zerg early aggression works against terran is to just fucking kill them.
It shouldn't be at all notable that ling/baneling beats marine/scv; Morrow faked a 3rd, noted his opponent's composition was vulnerable to a baneling-heavy composition, and used said baneling-heavy composition to kill him.
Zerg is used to having to get all sorts of tech to stay alive against midgame pressure. Turns out a Terran has to make something other than marines to stay alive, too. Yeah I agree, and even then it's not like you have to kill a Terran with a baneling bust for it to be worth it. If you do enough damage, you can slow him down a lot, make him lose mining time, kill SCVs, kill production facilities, slow down stim, and then switch into drones. It's not like Zerg can't make drones insanely fast if they have the freedom to do so. It's a riskier attack than early roach pressure (much more larvae used), but it's also much more powerful.
I agree with this. As Morrow moved in for the kill he had just produced 11 drones with 8 more on the way. He would have been in tiptop shape even if Jinro had survived it, when you wall off like that a baneling bust is guaranteed to slow down unit production/stim etc quite a bit. Jinro wasn't gonna attack any time soon.
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I don't get all of your discussions here. Maybe I'm not as Pro as some of you are, but I would suggest you start being more objective. Some comments to your topics:
MC vs. Ciara (no gg etc.)
Yeah, Ciara didn't GG after the game, and that IS considered rude in the scene (there are a lot of examples how manners work in real life too (bless you, gesundheit, sports, and so on...). But that doesn't mean, that he is a bad guy. He just got quite owned and was upset. I actually look up to players like White-Ra, which are polite no matter what and how they lose. That's manner, and I appreciate it. But I guess I can't expect it from everyone. So calm down. MC was just way too strong, and if you all were Ciara, I guess a lot of you who say "HE DIDN'T GG, HE'S RUDE!" would have rage quitted as well and call MC a lameass or whatever. Look up to those who are, and don't judge the people who are not always mannered.
Jinro vs. MorroW
MorroW played better overall. Period.
You see, prediction and "not just playing standard every single game" is part of pro-play as well. Takin' no risks at all will never win you a trophy. Longterm speaking. In StarCraft 2 that may be one of the main aspects of pro-play. If you are consistent in your strats and tactics, that's good. But as soon as you get predictable, you'll fall. Not that Jinro played just wrong. But MorroW just made the better decisions. I was cheering for Jinro by the way. But I still give MorroW the props he deserves, because that was just fitting play. It just fitted perfect to Jinros play.
HasuObs vs. HuK
I'm a HuK Supporter (yeah, curse me haters), but I knew he will have problems against Hasu. His PvP is just really really bad at the moment. And that's bad, because PvP is one big coin flip anyway. So, HasuObs won because he was the better player (and we've seen that in game 1 and 3 quite well). But I still doubt that his PvZ and PvT are nearly as consistent as HuKs. But I still hope he does well in the rest of the tournament. Even if I'd like to see HuK move on, go Hasu
I also wanted to put out some mad props to ThorZain. I loved his play vs. FD, even if I was cheering for FD.
And I don't think I have to comment all the other games. The better players won.
I really look forward to the next games. Really great work TL. We had a really great evening yesterday watching great SC2 and drinking even greater beer.
Cheers
blAke
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im sure the admins that has to moderate this thread has already went mad or destroyed his mouse pressing the unrage noooooo button
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On March 21 2011 15:30 Lylat wrote:
Damn I just woke up and saw the results.. Man I couldn't watch the games but is sc2 that random? All the clear favorites are out in day 2 + FD in day 1 ! Looks like only mc is consistent
I wouldn't call Loner a 'clear favorite' over White-ra.
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Just watched vods. 3/4 on Liquibet. Didn't think Hasu would take out Huk, but was quite confident in Morrow against Jinro.
However I had Huk going all the way to the semi-finals (getting 4th), so thats basically a quarter of the bracket ruined. Oh well.
MC vs. Ciara was interesting. Interesting in how effective MCs seemingly weak 3-gate pressure was, and interesting how well Ciara recovered, at least economically, game 2. Also I presume he thought he was been 4-gated game 1 and didn't want to gg to that.
White-ra vs. Loner was in general a bit too passive for my liking, but both players put out solid performances.
Huk vs. Hasuobs... oh man I cringed in the first game at how poorly Huk mauled his first attack in game 1. I watch his stream all the time and his stalker control is usually so impressive as he target fires enemy stalkers while avoiding the zealots, but it almost seemed like he gave up microing there. Seeing one zealot wreck his stalkers was painful. I don't think mere lag can explain that, just unfortunate miscontrol. Game 2 was super cool though, if PvP can reach that stage more often it might be a more watchable matchup. Game 3 was obviously disappointing, but a) Hasu sneaking a second probe was EPIC (I don't think I've seen it before in high-level play), and b) Huk regardless is obliged to scout his own base after he kills what he thinks is the 'only' probe, so its all on him 
The Jinro vs. Morrow games... well I did think Morrow was still an underrated player (as evidenced by the 94% of voters who thought he would lose), yet like Huks loss I think the onus was entirely on Jinro to scout better. Especially game 3 after seeing Morrow try early baneling busts in both of the first games, theres really no excuse NOT to be more active with scouting. I mean he even suspected it by his building placements, but two scans and he would've known for sure where he stood, even floating a rax outside his natural would've been a great help. But he didn't, and it cost him
Anyway, I enjoyed the games better than yesterdays and am looking forward to the next ones
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Two correct predictions (MC + WhiteRa), two incorrect predictions.
I can't believe MorroW took out Jinro! I hope he can take out HasuObs. =)
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Why are people saying that Ciara recovered in g2? It appeared, to me at least, that MC won the following battle with ease and there was no "recovery" from the void rays.
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On March 21 2011 17:52 holynorth wrote:
Why are people saying that Ciara recovered in g2? It appeared, to me at least, that MC won the following battle with ease and there was no "recovery" from the void rays.
Recovered in the sense that he got out a decent amount of units before he got stomped.
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