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On March 21 2011 08:36 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 07:31 Warrior Madness wrote:
Wow who can stop MC now? I can't believe Huk and Jinro are out this early on. Koreans are falling. Jinro I can understand, but since when has HuK ever had a chance against the BossToss? His PvP has never really impressed me, and I'm pretty sure ManZenith is the only person who's ever taken a game off MC in that matchup.
I think MVP has a small chance against MC but it will be heavily dependent on the maps - that being said despite the state of the game, Nestea controls the right side of the bracket and could see MC in the finals.
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my bracket.......has imploded
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On March 21 2011 08:08 MandoRelease wrote:
And during the third game, at the very beginning, it seemed like Morrow moved a drone towards his third while the scouting scv was passing by. Wasn't he trying to make Jinro think he was taking his second expansion ?
Anyone saw that too, or is my mind playing me ?
Edit : also at the end of game 3. Morrow did not make only zerglings, at one point he stopped and had actually something like 12 drones in production. I think Jinro gg'd 1 minute later
I saw that too. I actually was watching the mini map afterwards expecting morrow to drop a hatch there. I cannot imagine that Jinro missed the drone going to the natural since morrow made sure the drone went while in jinro's vision.
And its correct morrow switched back to droning for post the second bust.
Morrow played well and shame on jinro for lack of scouting what morrow was doing. That second game jinro scouted the banglings and properly walled with depots.
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tbh all winners today deserved it, they all outplayed their opponents fair and square
- MC no need to discuss, he is MC
- White-ra, great fast tech and amazing blink micro and positioning on his battles
- Huk made way more mistakes than Hasu, simple
- Jinro was just greedy with his build, also didn't do much of scouting after initial scout (fake drone to 3rd by morrow was nice  ) also expected morrow to play the usual 10 hatches expands and what not on those maps with long maco games, he simply didn't expect morrow to be so aggressive and got punished.
Keep in mind ppl, altho Huk and Jinro are amazing players, everyone can have a bad day.
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On March 21 2011 08:56 IamShakes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:08 MandoRelease wrote:
And during the third game, at the very beginning, it seemed like Morrow moved a drone towards his third while the scouting scv was passing by. Wasn't he trying to make Jinro think he was taking his second expansion ?
Anyone saw that too, or is my mind playing me ?
Edit : also at the end of game 3. Morrow did not make only zerglings, at one point he stopped and had actually something like 12 drones in production. I think Jinro gg'd 1 minute later I saw that too. I actually was watching the mini map afterwards expecting morrow to drop a hatch there. I cannot imagine that Jinro missed the drone going to the natural since morrow made sure the drone went while in jinro's vision.
Of course Jinro saw it, but he didn't fall for it. I think having the 2nd hatch at what's normally your 3rd tipped him off
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Normally when players go for a baneling bust, i consider the Zerg dead.
However i have to say Morrows Busts were very well executed. Normally it seems like players either have too few banes to get through the wall, or they have too many banes so when they get through the wall the have no more lings to deal with the forces.
Tho Morrows busts looked really stable. Obviously it helps too that you take out production as you take out the wall it self.
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On March 21 2011 08:41 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:24 Dawn11 wrote:
after game 2 huk vs hasu
husky was like: well we clearly saw that huk is the better player over all
i was like: wtf?!?!
then few minutes later
husky was like: well that was an upset
i was like: hrhrhrhr Well, everything Husky says is based on his superficial knowledge of SC2, the players and maps but most of all -- and in this he's very good at -- in what the majority of fans want to hear.
I BET YOU HUSKY HAS A POSTER OF HUK IN HIS BEDROOM
I mean who doesnt? :D
Huk Hwaiting
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On March 21 2011 08:31 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:11 mastergriggy wrote:On March 21 2011 07:38 RedDragon571 wrote:
Morrows baneling use:
1. Wasn't an all in, he was on more than one base and had the larve capacity to drone up more.
2. In game 1, sniping the tech lab and delaying stim would have been completely worth it.
3. killing 3 rax is a big deal and delays pushes longer by delaying production and destroys a mineral sink for T.
4. You can just retreat your mass of speedlings if things didn't go well.
5. Morrow was using specific numbers of banelings in order to get the barracks down to very low burning hp. (this created a dilemma for Jinro, having 3 burning rax with not enough time to repair, but creating a 2 layer wall across that large of an area would have been more expensive and delayed jinro's timings.)
6. If Morrow had scouted that the bane bust wouldn't have done damage he could have retreated, these units will be useful later also.
7.game 2, 2 rax did so much dmg, morrow was behind the whole time. He retreated baneling pressure.
8. Is there anything wrong with punishing a bad wall? If a protoss or terran didn't block off would it really be stupid to swarm his base with speedlings? (theres a reason it's standard to make a wall, bad walls should be punished!)
1. It was an all in. The definition of an all in isn't how many bases you have. Morrow cut drones to make banelings. Had it failed, he would have lost. 2. Throwing away everything you have is not worth one tech lab researching stim. Morrow needed to (and did) do more damage. 3. I can sort of agree with this, although I think Jinro had started teching up at this point. 4. If you lose half your army, you still lose half your army. Doesn't matter if you retreat or not. 5. Wat? 6. Cutting drones for banelings is not as good as drones. They are way less useful. 7. again Wat? 8. There is nothing wrong wiht punishing a bad wall. Bad Walls should be punished. But banelings all in don't always work. Had Jinro known the attack/banelings were coming, I'm sure he would have handled the situation better. I'm not saying it was or wasn't an all-in, but why did morrow make at least 4 drones (what I could see) in the third game before he attacked? Apparently he can't have agreed he was all-in or those 4 drones would have been zerglings no?
Maybe cold feet at the last second? Either way I'm not criticizing him.
edit: I thought about it for a bit. Morrow made the drones after the first bust right? So my guess is it was because he didn't think he did as much damage as he actually did. Probably thought he had just secured an advantage against Jinro, but didn't realize he had basically won with that first push as long as he had continued pressure.
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I think for the non-koreans, Sen is the only player that might have the slightest chance of beating / seeing MC in the finals. He has a pretty easy bracket till semi-final, which he will most likely to meet Nestea, and he is the closest thing to beat Nestea in a Z v Z match up. All in all, Sen's series against Naniwha in the GCPL finals gave me a slight hope for Z v P now.
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On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players.
You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao...
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On March 21 2011 09:02 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:31 nihlon wrote:On March 21 2011 08:11 mastergriggy wrote:On March 21 2011 07:38 RedDragon571 wrote:
Morrows baneling use:
1. Wasn't an all in, he was on more than one base and had the larve capacity to drone up more.
2. In game 1, sniping the tech lab and delaying stim would have been completely worth it.
3. killing 3 rax is a big deal and delays pushes longer by delaying production and destroys a mineral sink for T.
4. You can just retreat your mass of speedlings if things didn't go well.
5. Morrow was using specific numbers of banelings in order to get the barracks down to very low burning hp. (this created a dilemma for Jinro, having 3 burning rax with not enough time to repair, but creating a 2 layer wall across that large of an area would have been more expensive and delayed jinro's timings.)
6. If Morrow had scouted that the bane bust wouldn't have done damage he could have retreated, these units will be useful later also.
7.game 2, 2 rax did so much dmg, morrow was behind the whole time. He retreated baneling pressure.
8. Is there anything wrong with punishing a bad wall? If a protoss or terran didn't block off would it really be stupid to swarm his base with speedlings? (theres a reason it's standard to make a wall, bad walls should be punished!)
1. It was an all in. The definition of an all in isn't how many bases you have. Morrow cut drones to make banelings. Had it failed, he would have lost. 2. Throwing away everything you have is not worth one tech lab researching stim. Morrow needed to (and did) do more damage. 3. I can sort of agree with this, although I think Jinro had started teching up at this point. 4. If you lose half your army, you still lose half your army. Doesn't matter if you retreat or not. 5. Wat? 6. Cutting drones for banelings is not as good as drones. They are way less useful. 7. again Wat? 8. There is nothing wrong wiht punishing a bad wall. Bad Walls should be punished. But banelings all in don't always work. Had Jinro known the attack/banelings were coming, I'm sure he would have handled the situation better. I'm not saying it was or wasn't an all-in, but why did morrow make at least 4 drones (what I could see) in the third game before he attacked? Apparently he can't have agreed he was all-in or those 4 drones would have been zerglings no? Maybe cold feet at the last second? Either way I'm not criticizing him.
The moment he blew up @ 10 SCVs with the first bust it wasn't an all-in anymore. He had done sufficient damage to be at LEAST equal or more likely ahead, even if his second bust failed completely.
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Why is everyone complaining about Morrow's choice to use banelings?
Why is it suddenly cheese if a zerg does early-game aggression? Applying early pressure with a baneling bust is no different than applying early pressure with a group of hellions. Both are things that will kill you if you aren't prepared; the difference is that zerg early pressure consists of just killing you rather than surgically picking off drones, just because zerg doesn't *have* any units like this at t1. The way zerg early aggression works against terran is to just fucking kill them.
It shouldn't be at all notable that ling/baneling beats marine/scv; Morrow faked a 3rd, noted his opponent's composition was vulnerable to a baneling-heavy composition, and used said baneling-heavy composition to kill him.
Zerg is used to having to get all sorts of tech to stay alive against midgame pressure. Turns out a Terran has to make something other than marines to stay alive, too.
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On March 21 2011 07:40 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 07:36 Qaatar wrote:On March 21 2011 07:32 PlaGuE_R wrote:On March 21 2011 07:28 Qaatar wrote:On March 21 2011 07:26 PlaGuE_R wrote:
please stop bringing july zerg into this, that guy is terrible plain and simple. he got to the finals through an easy bracket by stringing 6 pools and all ins and got facerolled the second he faced an opponent that doesnt crumble to all ins.
Wow, troll much? I don't think I should even dignify such a bad blatant troll attempt with a response. -_- because you'd rather attribute the fact that he got facerolled by MC to imbalance rather then the fact that he plainly is bad at sc2, regardless of how good he was at BW Except he played almost the exact same way in BW as he is now, with the only difference that BW was a MUCH more balanced and skill oriented game in the two eras that he did well in (Oov + Savior/pre-JD). I did not mention imbalance or hint at imbalance anywhere in my post...so...keep on trolling I guess? thanks, you just mentioned balance now. You didn't have to say it for me to know that's exactly the excuse you wanted. And maybe July used that style in BW but this is a different game and the same style doesnt work in both games. July is just not as good as you make him out to be. For example, Nestea is 10 times better then July and im sure GSL finals would have been much more entertaining had it been MC v Nestea Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 07:40 clusen wrote:On March 21 2011 07:28 butch wrote:On March 21 2011 07:26 PlaGuE_R wrote:
MorroW's play was lackluster, 1 dimensional and boring which is why i don't like watching him play. reaper rush, baneling bust...wow. guess he got second @ assembly with banebust only... :p It's quite funny how many people try to judge Morrow but have never seen him play. And by their judgement you know that they have seen 7 games max. Morrow is soooooo good, his style is impeccable, his defense is impregnable. He wants to eat his children! Wait, that was someone else. I've watched plenty of MorroW's game and that's why i don't like to watch him play. Otherwise i'd say I didnt like him in those 3 games... User was temp banned for this post.
All of your posts are full of pure hatred. It looks like you're so angry that you can't even think straight which probably explains why you're coming out with comments which are completely disagreeable.
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Rofl on the venting your rage banner on the top, good stuff.
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people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol
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Reminds me of Ciara's interview: "Think its pretty much impossible to prepare for a guy like him, just really hope I don't lose to some 4gate."
I found this pretty funny, you can only imagine why =)
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Another amazing day of games :D and more upsets (imo) roll on next week \o/
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On March 21 2011 09:11 Let it Raine wrote:
people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol
2 actually.
This is gonna be a fun TSL. More so if MC somehow gets his ass handed to him next round.
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On March 21 2011 09:05 Shooks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:49 1Eris1 wrote:On March 21 2011 08:30 duckducktiM wrote:On March 21 2011 08:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Glad HuK is out. So tired of him being overhyped. And before people respond, it isn't PvP being a die roll. Good microers like MC, Kiwi, etc win the majority of their PvP games. lol you say huk being over hyped.. i understand him not being as good as MC, but then you say kiwi is better than him, FAIL lol No where did I say kiwikaki was better then HuK. I just said he does better at PvP then HuK, which is a matchup based on control. HuK's macro/decision making is probably better, but he doesn't quite have the control to compare to the top players. You realize Huk has 1 of the best unit control in the game right, lmao...
Well I didn't see it today, and I haven't seen it recently. So, either he's inconsistent, or it's not true.
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On March 21 2011 09:11 Let it Raine wrote:
people just aren't used to zerg being aggressive (and also being successful)
edit: I bet there's like 1 person with a correct bracket who's just laughing his ass off lol
Two people with perfect Liquibets so far. Honestly, yesterday's results were far more surprising to me than any of today's. The only two matchups in the Ro32 that would truly surprise me would have been if Ciara had beaten MC and if CrunCher beats IdrA, unless CrunCher wins via cannon rushes or something.
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