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[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:48 Redman wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:43 4Servy wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.
Dude arn't u a "pro" gamer?
first...when was wc3 EVER a "skill" based game?
second...how come there are tons of fucking players who can hold off banebusts and if its such a free win why isn't zergs win rate like 90%....its one thing when a random scrub qq's in a live report but man....this is probly why you wont ever make it big in sc2[/QUOTE]
Stop being stupid and bashing WC3, it was a game that required a lot of micro.
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On March 21 2011 06:47 spybreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:44 Exarl25 wrote:
This thread is fucking disgusting, last time I read a LR thread.
Morrow played very well and most definitely deserved the win. Jinro made a mistake by going for such greedy builds and was punished for it.
But no the fanboys on here can't see that. Whine, whine, OP, cheese, whine, whine, do anything possible to downplay Morrow's achievement. It's a fucking disgrace. Pretty much this =(
Seconded.
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On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.
i can't agree more with this, my bronze friend could beat me with banelingbust.
the fact that they are strong against light AND building with armor is not right.
they should be more like hellions.
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[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:48 Redman wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:43 4Servy wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.
Dude arn't u a "pro" gamer?
first...when was wc3 EVER a "skill" based game?
second...how come there are tons of fucking players who can hold off banebusts and if its such a free win why isn't zergs win rate like 90%....its one thing when a random scrub qq's in a live report but man....this is probly why you wont ever make it big in sc2[/QUOTE]
wc3 is more microintensive than any other rts-game. it was about 90%skill (almost micro only), 5%imbalance, 5%itemluck.
if you dont know anything about wc3 - why judging?
+ its OT anyway.
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This is the deal people. Morrow knew how to counter jinro's build. When you scout something you know you can straight up kill why not do it?
EDIT: Wrong picture 
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Yeah let's make a bunch of banelings and A-click, this takes SOOOO much skill I am SOOOO impressed.
And for those of you that are crying about the 2 rax, try miccroing a 2 rax push then come back and apologize.
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meh It was a good strategy for morrow, Zerg need to punish players more for going CC first or 2 rax to fast expand.
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On March 21 2011 06:47 Xadar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:24 JoeSchmoe wrote:
yeah morrow can't play macro, just baneling bust every game. love how zerg still complains about no macro games. lame, jinro is clearly the better player Look at the build Jinro did. CC before Rax is clearly very greedy , and since it got scouted by Morrow, he just reacted accordingly by punishing him for that build. Jinro didnt react properly to the bust. He knew it was coming but didnt throw down bunkers, and just relied on his baracks wall. So it was Jinros fault he lost, and it does not mean that morrow allins every game, he just scouted and reacted like zergs should do.
I know right? Morrow scouts a 2-rax opening into CC in game 2 and just tries to baneling bust anyways.
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MorroW is probably the best player in Europe right now. He's not a crazy all-in player, he just reacted to Jinro's super-FE builds. Most CC/NExus first builds against Zerg get killed by Baneling busts, this isn't exactly news people.
I know it sucks Jinro's out, but lets all chill a bit here with the senseless MorroW hating.
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On March 21 2011 06:47 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2. It's not a coin flip, it's a counter to a build. If Terran don't fe and go hellions or fast Siege and will be far behind as you suggest and lose 100% of time against every zerg, then the game is broken. But it hasn't been proven, you need to clarify more...
you dont get the point xd, all modern terrans bos are 1 rax FE or 15cc and then thers 3 or mb 4 follow ups
1 fast siege tank wich counters banelings but you wont be able to do shit when zerg takes a 3th instantly and makes 639064957r5678578 drones
2 fast helions with 2 facs/blue flame into 3 rax pressure wich is a prety solid build but its prety weak to defensive roach and a faster 3th base into std muta/ling/bling.
3 normal mnm play into a prety fast starport wich is just probably the best build to get your midgame going but it dies prety hard to bling busts.
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On March 21 2011 06:46 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 21 2011 06:41 Marooned wrote:
I don't understand why so many is bashing Morrow for doing the right thing. If you just leave a terran alone to cc first like that the mule design will put you as a zerg in a terrible spot. You cant just drone hard and take a fast third either because the potential of 6+ rax worth of marines could be on the way any second, or super fast tech of 4 gasses. It wasn't as fun to watch as I expected, but still Morrow did the right thing. Jinro did the right thing by bunker rushing in the second game. The placement caught Morrow with his pants down, and that was the game. Same thing. Greed should be punishable, or else its just stupid. Some say Morrow almost came back when running over those unseiged tanks, but it didn't really matter, he was still way behind. the point was morrow doing the same thing all 3 games. It wasn't a response to anything he just tries to baneling bust every game. CC first? baneling bust. 2-rax opening? baneling bust. Do you really think MorroW has got to the level he is at just by doing baneling busts every game ? I suggest you watch some more of his games. I don't even...
All three of his games he did the same strategy. So even though you tried to make him feel stupid, he has a point.
The issue, however, isn't what Morrow did or how many times he did it, but that Jinro couldn't hold it. Perhaps in the future Jinro will utilize different openings that aren't as susceptible. Or alternatively, keep a marine at the bottom of his ramp? I don't know, there were a lot of counters to it, but Jinro for the most part didn't look to see it coming. One of the same issues Huk had in his last game.
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On March 21 2011 06:42 KhAlleB wrote:
as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap
jinro realy strong late game vs zerg
morrow on the other hand , im not realy sure about him if he play pure macro game .
but anyway they play for win , not show good game .
that was kinda cheap way to win , but he still the winner .
and jinro did no big error like you guy would like to belive , he played kinda standar .
baneling bust are just that strong
where jinro maybe failed was scouting the baneling bust and make 3++ bunker , because you need bunker for stop this.
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It's a bit sad that we see so many abusive builds from all races, relying on limiting scouting information, and grossly abusing some broken mechanics / damage overpowerness of certain units in certain stages of the game.
I have nothing against occasionally cheese and all-ins, but it feels like every sc2 player is a rip-off of kwanro with in inheret cloaking timer that sets off after 10min.
Or we see 200/200 stallings, because if you lose one battle you're done for.
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On March 21 2011 06:51 MajorityofOne wrote:
MorroW is probably the best player in Europe right now. He's not a crazy all-in player, he just reacted to Jinro's super-FE builds. Most CC/NExus first builds against Zerg get killed by Baneling busts, this isn't exactly news people.
I know it sucks Jinro's out, but lets all chill a bit here with the senseless MorroW hating.
You know on xelnaga Jinro did 2 rax and morrow still tried that baneling/ling bust? Its probably all he does in zvt right now and why he's so confident because terrans aren't making 3 bunkers blindly and delay their tech so that it fails hard.
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Morrow plays to win and i admire that,he played just like he played against idra in iem finals when he was terran,he didnt play so u viewers can go and jerk off when 20 battlecruisers fight 50 corruptors,no he played to win.
In sports u play to win,period.
In entertainment u play to entertain the crowd.
Now heres my question to u guys,do u want SC2 to become an eSPORT or to remain an entertainment,just like any other video game?
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ClouD: isn't 14CC like... more eco-cheesy and risky than what MorroW was doing? MorroW's was a reaction play because otherwise he would be behind and lose the economic game no?
FE doesn't have to be CC first does it. I don't know too much about SC2 since i mainly play BW but i mean if you 14CC'd in BW and lost to an all-in it would be heavily your own fault for risking it. And 14CC i suppose would be worse in SC2 with the more starting SCVs.
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On March 21 2011 06:51 Mackh wrote:
Yeah let's make a bunch of banelings and A-click, this takes SOOOO much skill I am SOOOO impressed.
And for those of you that are crying about the 2 rax, try miccroing a 2 rax push then come back and apologize.
i dont think anyone is complaining about 2 rax, its just a build that can be punished fairly easily, and morrow did that.
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When are the next games btw?
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This thread makes me wanna hit some hobo in the face.
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