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On March 21 2011 06:54 Whitewing wrote: If Jinro had just built a bunker or two while he was delaying he'd have been fine.
this although I think would have had to have been 2, 3 to be absolutely safe. It seems alot of terrans do that too, except for jinro
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On March 21 2011 06:53 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:50 tnud wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/JvKIQ.png) This is the deal people. Morrow knew how to counter jinro's build. When you scout something you know you can straight up kill why not do it? I agree with how morrow played (to win). But games 1 and 3 were FE into 2(+) rax, not 2 rax into expand Yea fixed
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On March 21 2011 06:54 bronzeterran wrote: Did a well known and highly skilled player seriously just call that a coinflip situation? Drug tests for sc2 tourneys plz. Maybe people like to say coinflip to sound cool? When did Cloud become a highly skilled player?LOL
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On March 21 2011 06:42 KhAlleB wrote: as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap
Maybe valid for a best of 1. Game1 / Morrow catches Jinro with his pants down Game2 / Morrow probably thinks 'he won't risk the tournament cheesing me on Xel Naga', caught with his pants down by Jinro with the early marines bunker Game3 / same as 1#, bit of the (assumed) psychology of game2
I wouldn't say Morrow out-played Jinro, out-smarted him for sure.
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On March 21 2011 06:46 ReacH. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:43 hifriend wrote: Those weren't some blind all in dice rolls. Morrow scouted cc first, reacted accordingly, and won the games with little effort.
Game 2, morrow fell behind early game and that's not a good position to be in for any zerg player on this planet. Morrow played his best and super solid jinro didn't let him back in the game. MorroW also responded to 2rax pressure into expo with a baneling bust, and promptly got facerolled. I'm not saying that MorroW isn't a great player, it's just that his play today was a bit 1 dimensional and boring.
incorrect.
morrow did not get facerolled with a failed baneling bust in game two.
he blew up 3 supply depots then retreated, losing only a few units. where's the all-in cheese in that? zergs not allowed to attack or what?
the turning point was when morrow attacked the planetary with not quite enough units and suffered too many losses. the result was jinro's tank push was unstoppable.
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It's just a good indicator these days for a well thought out strategy if many tl'ers saying its imbalanced. :D
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On March 21 2011 06:53 watchme wrote: lol i love how people are grouping HuK and Jinro with "koreans". they train in Korea but they're team Liquid. Fruitdealer just hasn't been playing well, so it's not surprising he lost.
Just watch how the other Koreans do in this tournament (MC and MVP). And MarineKingPrime, probably the 2nd best terran in Korea wasn't even invited. (neither was JulyZerg, probably the best zerg in Korea).
LOL Julyzerg is not the best zerg in korea. If you think that then you have no credibility
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On March 21 2011 06:55 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:54 bronzeterran wrote: Did a well known and highly skilled player seriously just call that a coinflip situation? Drug tests for sc2 tourneys plz. Maybe people like to say coinflip to sound cool? When did Cloud become a highly skilled player?LOL
Well when you talk shit on someone the least you can do is give them the benefit of respect.
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I'm glad for MorroW. He hid what he have to in order to win.
It's a pity we won't see jinro vs MC again
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On March 21 2011 06:50 eluv wrote:There's no need to hate on Morrow, he did what he had to to win, but it's equally unfair to hate on other players + Show Spoiler +Like MC FF'ing his way to victory for abusing the current game mechanics. That said, it seems like there is no viable way for Terran to CC first against Zerg, which would be fine, if Zerg was always forced to go speed first. But Zerg can still try hatch first, and with good control come out significantly ahead economically. CC first gives way more economy than hatch first dude, don't even try to compare it
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On March 21 2011 06:42 KhAlleB wrote: as day9 said the better player try to get the game during the longest time, while the worse try to end it asap
dont like this statement tbh. e.g. means ogs mc is the worse player in game 1 vs ciara because he could finish it right there? or that beeing better in micro in the early stages is worth nothing?
I would say a good player will always try to find flaws in his opponent right from the beginning of the game and try to abuse them to get ahead and if you kill someone with a pressure build early on its even better! but ofc he wouldnt do this by trying blind coinflips all the time.
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On March 21 2011 06:53 Firkraag8 wrote: MorroW scouts fast expand and deals with it appropriately, shouldn't he have? I don't see what the problem is.
i don't see it either. Every player would do everything to win a game!
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Morrow is such a scumbag, i know that whenever i go quatruple expand at 17 i expect my expansions to not be attacked.
Seriously what do you expect him to do?
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Why the hell wouldn't you build bunkers behind your wall anyway? They're free, after all, for absolutely no good reason.
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Interesting results and interesting games overall. Tsl really showing the upsets! Liking it
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Bad luck day for Team Liquid players.
Hopfully the other TLAF-Liquid players do better.
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edit: moving to zvt balance thread.
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even though jinro couldve handeled the busts better by scouting with a rax or do a hellionbuild instead of multiple raxes, baneling busts are too strong.
they shouldnt do extra damage to buildings, cause buildings are pretty much the only way to defend it^^
i dont blame morrow for doing it - why shouldnt u being in that situation and knowing, that jinro might have a slight advantage in a standard game [morrow is a beastly macroplayer as well]
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On March 21 2011 06:55 abominable wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 06:46 ReacH. wrote:On March 21 2011 06:43 hifriend wrote: Those weren't some blind all in dice rolls. Morrow scouted cc first, reacted accordingly, and won the games with little effort.
Game 2, morrow fell behind early game and that's not a good position to be in for any zerg player on this planet. Morrow played his best and super solid jinro didn't let him back in the game. MorroW also responded to 2rax pressure into expo with a baneling bust, and promptly got facerolled. I'm not saying that MorroW isn't a great player, it's just that his play today was a bit 1 dimensional and boring. incorrect. morrow did not get facerolled with a failed baneling bust in game two. he blew up 3 supply depots then retreated, losing only a few units. where's the all-in cheese in that? zergs not allowed to attack or what? the turning point was when morrow attacked the planetary with not quite enough units and suffered too many losses. the result was jinro's tank push was unstoppable.
He was like 20 supply behind before the CC at the Gold was even done
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On March 21 2011 06:53 watchme wrote: lol i love how people are grouping HuK and Jinro with "koreans". they train in Korea but they're team Liquid. Fruitdealer just hasn't been playing well, so it's not surprising he lost.
Just watch how the other Koreans do in this tournament (MC and MVP). And MarineKingPrime, probably the 2nd best terran in Korea wasn't even invited. (neither was JulyZerg, probably the best zerg in Korea).
no different than how idra and moonglade were referred to as "korean sc2 players" at the last IEM. It's about where you live/practice/play, not nationality.
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