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PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6461
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
When are the next games btw?

Next weekend.
the farm ends here
Juffalo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States155 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6462
I really hope Morrow is reading this and laughing his ass off.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6463
On March 21 2011 06:52 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
When are the next games btw?


Next weekend same time I imagine.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Anon06
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6464
On March 21 2011 06:52 Zane wrote:
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lmfao
watchme
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6465
lol i love how people are grouping HuK and Jinro with "koreans". they train in Korea but they're team Liquid. Fruitdealer just hasn't been playing well, so it's not surprising he lost.

Just watch how the other Koreans do in this tournament (MC and MVP). And MarineKingPrime, probably the 2nd best terran in Korea wasn't even invited. (neither was JulyZerg, probably the best zerg in Korea).

DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6466
On March 21 2011 06:50 tnud wrote:
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This is the deal people. Morrow knew how to counter jinro's build. When you scout something you know you can straight up kill why not do it?


I agree with how morrow played (to win). But games 1 and 3 were FE into 2(+) rax, not 2 rax into expand
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 21:54:00
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6467
On March 21 2011 06:53 Juffalo wrote:
I really hope Morrow is reading this and laughing his ass off.


morrow usually is pretty active in the forums :O

he also posted in this thread earlier.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
March 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#6468
MorroW scouts fast expand and deals with it appropriately, shouldn't he have? I don't see what the problem is.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6469
On March 21 2011 06:46 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 06:44 aristarchus wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.


It's not about whether they could execute it. It's about whether they could choose to do it. You're not including strategy in skill. Terrans in major tournaments often do FEs that don't have hellions or siege tanks and yet somehow they don't all lose. So either you're wrong and it isn't a clear win or isn't easy to execute, or the fact that it's so strong is something that most zergs haven't figured out. Either way, give Morrow some credit.

That said, it feels nice to have a zerg player's wins being discounted and blamed on imbalance for once, rather than always terrans (though I bet Morrow is feeling like he's cursed...).

He choose to do it out of nowhere with no real informations. If jinro opened FE into 2 fac hellions 3 rax stim (very, very common build) morrow would have been raped. You have to play blind and hope it works. This is SC2. I'm not sure how much of mindgame credit you can take out of this kind of simple all in build order decisions.

He scouted a very fast expansion on a map with a wide ramp. He had some clear information. Sure, it's not enough to be certain. You're playing the odds, but you're doing it intelligently. Maybe he watched other games of Jinro's and saw what he usually did.

And it's comparative. You have to look at what Jinro did too. I don't think he scanned to check for a baneling nest. He didn't put his factory and starport in the wall, which would have been enough for him to easily create a second layer when he needed it. Who knows who is actually better, but clearly Morrow played better in that match.
Drafter
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark11 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6470
This is what happens when you give a strategic mastermind like Morrow preparation time. As long as Morrow knows what he is up against, I would dare say his one the best players there is at exploiting his opponents weaknesses and make the right adaptation.
At assembly you could see him dominate his way through the bracket until he hit the wall in the finals against Ret, because he simply hadn't seen Rets build and didn't know how to react properly against Rets fast exe roach opening. He also said so himself in interview postgame.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6471
On March 21 2011 06:51 MajorityofOne wrote:
MorroW is probably the best player in Europe right now. He's not a crazy all-in player, he just reacted to Jinro's super-FE builds. Most CC/NExus first builds against Zerg get killed by Baneling busts, this isn't exactly news people.

I know it sucks Jinro's out, but lets all chill a bit here with the senseless MorroW hating.



Morrow clearly practiced a lot and studied Jinro's style. Jinro pretty much do the same thing in his matches against Idra recently. Not all players are like Idra who will just let you get away with CC first or any FE build. Idra should do this more too
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6472
If Jinro had just built a bunker or two while he was delaying he'd have been fine.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6473
On March 21 2011 06:38 Alexj wrote:
I have just lost all of my respect for ______ because of
[ ] 2 rax push with SCVs
[ ] Forcefields
[ ] Banelings


Hahah, well played.

People need to get the stick out of their ass
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
bronzeterran
Profile Joined September 2010
United States296 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6474
Did a well known and highly skilled player seriously just call that a coinflip situation? Drug tests for sc2 tourneys plz. Maybe people like to say coinflip to sound cool?
Feidspar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States25 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#6475
It was Jinro's fault he got busted and lost. His wall was 1 rax thick and he had a bunch of marines behind it. What the hell did he think was going to happen? No siege tanks. No bunkers. No marauders. No hellions. Nothing. Just marines. Duurrrrr~!
Juffalo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States155 Posts
March 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#6476
On March 21 2011 06:53 Firkraag8 wrote:
MorroW scouts fast expand and deals with it appropriately, shouldn't he have? I don't see what the problem is.



Because he's the worse player and instead of being a gentleman and abandoning his shot of an early he win he should of played into his opponents hands GOSH DON"T YOU KNOW ANYTHING
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
March 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#6477
Morrow played fantastically and deserved the win. End of story.
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
March 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#6478
On March 21 2011 06:40 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Baneling bust off 2 bases is absolutely retarded and overpowered against any FE build who doesn't include fast hellions or fast siege tanks (which is a shit build anyway except for holding and punishing baneling bust). It turns the early game into a coinflip. People calling Morrow "hyper aggressive" or thinking he played well are wrong because anyone, even a silver league player, can pull it off. This just shows how this game is too much about chances and all in and not as skill centered as WC3 and SCBW. I'm very disappointed at SC2.

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hopefully they will take away splash damage from banelings vs buildings.


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Orchid
Profile Joined July 2006
United States71 Posts
March 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#6479
morrow did what he should have done. I don't really like watching this sort of play happen, but just knowing that jinro could have still made a fast expo and just have gone early tank w/siege or hellion would have made morrow lose horribly.

Don't harsh my mellow brah!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#6480
I'm a Jinro fan and a Terran player, but I'm not gonna fault Morrow for what he did. He did the perfect build to win the games. This is a tournament, not a show match, not a couple of games to give you and me entertainment. Morrow wants to win and thats just what he did. Same thing that MC did in GSL Finals. I will never fault a guy for wanting to win, even if it cheese
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