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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 16:22:54
March 20 2011 16:22 GMT
#6041

Seems like a pretty large group of those korean posters are excuse seekers with a superiority complex. I really hope the majority of the Korean population doesnt view foreign tournies or foreign players so poorly like those posters do. Obviously there was some lag, but 2 seconds is ridiculous, it never happens like that.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
March 20 2011 16:34 GMT
#6042
Perhaps im retarded but is there a schedule or some way to view TSL3 live, and a schedule of when day 2 starts?
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
March 20 2011 16:38 GMT
#6043
On March 21 2011 01:34 RedDragon571 wrote:
Perhaps im retarded but is there a schedule or some way to view TSL3 live, and a schedule of when day 2 starts?


Calendar on the right side. 1h 23 minutes until Day 2 starts according to the Upcoming events. There's also the TSL counter in the upper right corner, which I assume will count down for the beginning of each day.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 20 2011 16:40 GMT
#6044
On March 21 2011 01:34 RedDragon571 wrote:
Perhaps im retarded but is there a schedule or some way to view TSL3 live, and a schedule of when day 2 starts?

Schedule http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201449
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
reddog1999
Profile Joined June 2009
United States143 Posts
March 20 2011 16:41 GMT
#6045
if only there wasnt so much lag it would be easy to set up big world wide tourney's. All you would have to do is set up game stations at a few diff HQ locations and a online tourney becomes live. To bad I had better connections playing koreans back in sc1 on gamei before iccup even. Still fun to watch, but you can't really say a pro should be ready for lag. no one is fully inless thats how they play most the games.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 20 2011 17:01 GMT
#6046
On March 20 2011 18:33 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 17:26 brobear wrote:
[korean netizen comments]

Thanks for those, but wow they are obnoxious. Now I'm definitely cheering for any non-korean.

e: err, obviously with the cave-at that I'm always cheering for boxer and nada


Lol someone hand picked korean comments to make them look bad. Anyone can do that. Imagine someone hand picked tl posts from code a games or from the nasl thread especially pokebunny. Koreans would get an even worse image from foreigners with those comments.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
March 20 2011 17:04 GMT
#6047
Thanks for getting the VODs up in a timely manner. I wasn't able to watch the last match live due to video freezing on the LQ stream, but managed to stay unspoiled for it. I'll give the stream another try today though, and hopefully it'll work better.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 20 2011 17:08 GMT
#6048
On March 21 2011 01:22 Darpa wrote:

Seems like a pretty large group of those korean posters are excuse seekers with a superiority complex. I really hope the majority of the Korean population doesnt view foreign tournies or foreign players so poorly like those posters do. Obviously there was some lag, but 2 seconds is ridiculous, it never happens like that.


If you were to randomly take posts from any GSL LR thread you would be far more disgusted.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
March 20 2011 17:26 GMT
#6049
On March 21 2011 00:13 Durp wrote:
A few translated Korean netizen reactions from PlayXP

+ Show Spoiler +
"BoxeR's GF reports 2 second lag delay- BoxeR's missed EMPS weren't his fault"

"Really nervous about the lag delays"

"BoxeR's opponent is not even a Code-A calibre player"

"As an eSports leading country I somewhat feel ashamed that FD was taken out 2:0"

"WELL... we still have NesTea"

"Wow I just watched the games... connection is so horrible. BoxeR DCing -_- well, it is a "minor league" + Show Spoiler +
this comment frustrated me, seemed to be serious and not sarcastic with his "minor league" comment.


"I was wondering why boxer didn't control his marauders in game 2... I guess that was because cause of the lag..."

"BoxeR... you really need to step it up"

A little back and forth of 2 Knetizens:
+ Show Spoiler +
"If there was a delay of 2 sec, its impossible to play the game. if i were to feel 2 sec delay while playing, its absurd. that means the game reacts after a sec or two following the mouse/keyboard input. I did watch fd's games and i saw some effects of lags in his games too (maybe they were just mistakes). If it was a bit of like sc1 w/e but 2 sec is ridiculous"

"There's a good chance that people are lying about 2 sec delay, and every player has to deal with that lag. So i don't think it is appropriate to talk about who gets benefits/disadvantages from the lag. I personally believe if you are a pro you should be ready and able to deal with such problems."

"If you are a pro, you want to perform at a perfect condition. Even Tiger Woods, i think he was quoted saying he does not play unless he is in perfect shape. it's not a pros responsibility to perform at a top level in any situation. A true pro is whom is able to perform at his/her full potential given ideal conditions. i don't think many of you guys have played on foreign servers, but there is instantaneous lag rather than lag that is continuous throughout the whole game."



EDIT; seems to be many Koreans are focusing on the lag problems, specifically in BoxeR's set. I don't know if they are aware of the TL ruling on G1 or why it was made; I'll keep digging.

Here is the coped GOMTV Knetizen forum responses, as translated by Brobear here
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 20 2011 17:26 brobear wrote:
Let me translate the GOMTV netizen comments for you guys. (Since the google translate button doesn't seem to work too well)
Most of the comments are negative in regards to the overall skill level of players in the foreign scene. Korean netizens are brutal...


-"ThorZaIN, who knocked out Fruitdealer, plays very well..."

-"Was that really Fruitdealer? Why is he so bad???"

-"Can't do much about it... They're playing in 2-second delay after EMP conditions..."

-"Fruitdealer's condition is terrible... I wanted Korean dominance..."

-"The Nightend and Boxer game is SO boring. Seems like a game played in Korea 6 months ago. I'm yawning while watching this after having seen MC's dynamic playing. Battles after maxing armies... This was the reason they reviewed sc2 to be boring before."

-"NightEnd protoss can't even go into the preliminaries in our country, right? Lol this is hilarious."

-"It's been a while since I've seen a protoss using colossi... It's still far away for the foreign scene to catch up to our level of play."

-"Boxer's skill level... So bad."

-"I feel for boxer's current state in the game... Don't know about the Terran's side of play, but there were a lot of points when boxer could've poked and done some damage, yet he couldn't. T_T boxer fighting."

-"Can't make strong definitive attacks... Can't even hit code A round 16 wit this type of playing level..."

-"Not just being a boxer anti-fan, but if you seriously consider boxer's skill level, doesn't seem like he can even hit code A round of 8's."

-"Are these really matches played by progamers? Did I watch it wrong?"

-"The EMP missed by boxer, the early marauder control in game 2, etc., are apparently all due to the quake in Japan and the lag caused due to it.

And a few comments regarding the bad commentator (I guess for the Korean commentator who dubbed it, since Chill and Day9 are freakin awesome).


I'll update it more tomorrow, if you guys would like!



A lot of these Koreans can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up.
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
March 20 2011 17:29 GMT
#6050
before TSL Starts, may I ask the obs of the games to put on health bars in big fights?? It was annoying to not know who is winning in strelok vs tyler game 2 when his bio ball came but was over stimmed.... like we don't know these stuff!
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
March 20 2011 17:31 GMT
#6051
On March 21 2011 02:26 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 00:13 Durp wrote:
A few translated Korean netizen reactions from PlayXP

+ Show Spoiler +
"BoxeR's GF reports 2 second lag delay- BoxeR's missed EMPS weren't his fault"

"Really nervous about the lag delays"

"BoxeR's opponent is not even a Code-A calibre player"

"As an eSports leading country I somewhat feel ashamed that FD was taken out 2:0"

"WELL... we still have NesTea"

"Wow I just watched the games... connection is so horrible. BoxeR DCing -_- well, it is a "minor league" + Show Spoiler +
this comment frustrated me, seemed to be serious and not sarcastic with his "minor league" comment.


"I was wondering why boxer didn't control his marauders in game 2... I guess that was because cause of the lag..."

"BoxeR... you really need to step it up"

A little back and forth of 2 Knetizens:
+ Show Spoiler +
"If there was a delay of 2 sec, its impossible to play the game. if i were to feel 2 sec delay while playing, its absurd. that means the game reacts after a sec or two following the mouse/keyboard input. I did watch fd's games and i saw some effects of lags in his games too (maybe they were just mistakes). If it was a bit of like sc1 w/e but 2 sec is ridiculous"

"There's a good chance that people are lying about 2 sec delay, and every player has to deal with that lag. So i don't think it is appropriate to talk about who gets benefits/disadvantages from the lag. I personally believe if you are a pro you should be ready and able to deal with such problems."

"If you are a pro, you want to perform at a perfect condition. Even Tiger Woods, i think he was quoted saying he does not play unless he is in perfect shape. it's not a pros responsibility to perform at a top level in any situation. A true pro is whom is able to perform at his/her full potential given ideal conditions. i don't think many of you guys have played on foreign servers, but there is instantaneous lag rather than lag that is continuous throughout the whole game."



EDIT; seems to be many Koreans are focusing on the lag problems, specifically in BoxeR's set. I don't know if they are aware of the TL ruling on G1 or why it was made; I'll keep digging.

Here is the coped GOMTV Knetizen forum responses, as translated by Brobear here
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 20 2011 17:26 brobear wrote:
Let me translate the GOMTV netizen comments for you guys. (Since the google translate button doesn't seem to work too well)
Most of the comments are negative in regards to the overall skill level of players in the foreign scene. Korean netizens are brutal...


-"ThorZaIN, who knocked out Fruitdealer, plays very well..."

-"Was that really Fruitdealer? Why is he so bad???"

-"Can't do much about it... They're playing in 2-second delay after EMP conditions..."

-"Fruitdealer's condition is terrible... I wanted Korean dominance..."

-"The Nightend and Boxer game is SO boring. Seems like a game played in Korea 6 months ago. I'm yawning while watching this after having seen MC's dynamic playing. Battles after maxing armies... This was the reason they reviewed sc2 to be boring before."

-"NightEnd protoss can't even go into the preliminaries in our country, right? Lol this is hilarious."

-"It's been a while since I've seen a protoss using colossi... It's still far away for the foreign scene to catch up to our level of play."

-"Boxer's skill level... So bad."

-"I feel for boxer's current state in the game... Don't know about the Terran's side of play, but there were a lot of points when boxer could've poked and done some damage, yet he couldn't. T_T boxer fighting."

-"Can't make strong definitive attacks... Can't even hit code A round 16 wit this type of playing level..."

-"Not just being a boxer anti-fan, but if you seriously consider boxer's skill level, doesn't seem like he can even hit code A round of 8's."

-"Are these really matches played by progamers? Did I watch it wrong?"

-"The EMP missed by boxer, the early marauder control in game 2, etc., are apparently all due to the quake in Japan and the lag caused due to it.

And a few comments regarding the bad commentator (I guess for the Korean commentator who dubbed it, since Chill and Day9 are freakin awesome).


I'll update it more tomorrow, if you guys would like!



A lot of these foreigners can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up.


True or not, there's a coalition that refuses to accept that foreigners *could* at any point ever be as good as the Koreans, who say that it's somehow only going to get worse. (?)
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 17:46:18
March 20 2011 17:45 GMT
#6052
so will this also be the LR thread for Day2 its linking me here atleast.

edit:nvm
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
March 20 2011 17:58 GMT
#6053
A lot of these Koreans can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up.


But they're not there yet

And yeah I prefer HP bars too. Many commentators say during their casts they'll turn the HP bars off during fights so you can see better, but honestly I don't have problems seeing with HP bars on. I always play with them on because they're so useful.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 18:27:15
March 20 2011 18:22 GMT
#6054
Anyone knows where is the boxer disconect thread wheat keeps talking about ?

NVM found the white thing on top of this thread.
mittens.
Profile Joined March 2011
United States10 Posts
March 20 2011 19:43 GMT
#6055
I'm not really digging all of these Korean v foreigner posts. I understand the rivalry and competition aspect, but we should just be looking and rooting for good players whether Korean or foreign. Of course there are going to be haters/trolls from both ends of the spectrum.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 20 2011 20:13 GMT
#6056
Yea i dont root for players based on their race i root for players who's style i like and better players, most of those players are korean, but i <3 huk he was my first protoss idol in sc2

gogo huk stop donating stalkers!
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 20 2011 20:15 GMT
#6057
Think about it at the GSL, alot of times you hear koreans cheering for Foreigners, they are really friendly and accepting over there. We should follow suite.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 22:05:08
March 20 2011 22:04 GMT
#6058
I wouldn't be so outraged by the Koreans fans reaction:

(a) It's the internet. If Korean posters looked through some TL threads like "BAN KOREANS FROM NASL?" I think they would have at least as much reason to gripe as you guys have, if not more so-- and people commenting on TL include pros, not random internet trolls.

(b) Korea is the mecca of e-sports. If Brazil's soccer team was dominated by Kuwait, or the US Olympic basketball team was beaten by China, the outrage would be intense. They take pride in their starcraft proficiency, and as you can see, the criticism is flowing as heavily on Boxer/FruitDealer as it is on NightEnd.

(c) Lag IS an issue
. It may not be an excuse (and in Thorzain v. FruitDealer, I think FD got straight up outplayed every step of the way), but it's a handicap that can't be dismissed for KR players.

(d) Give it time. The biggest clash between international community and Korean progamers so far has been IEM, and ST_Ace and ST_Squirtle, who didn't make it past Ro32 of Code A, were 1 and 3 in the tournament, crushing through some of the strongest foreigner competition in the world (IdrA, socke, Sjow). TSL 3 is a different story, and if foreigners continue to show up like Thorzain did, the narrative will change.
brobear
Profile Joined January 2010
United States101 Posts
March 20 2011 23:54 GMT
#6059
On March 21 2011 02:01 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:33 syllogism wrote:
On March 20 2011 17:26 brobear wrote:
[korean netizen comments]

Thanks for those, but wow they are obnoxious. Now I'm definitely cheering for any non-korean.

e: err, obviously with the cave-at that I'm always cheering for boxer and nada


Lol someone hand picked korean comments to make them look bad. Anyone can do that. Imagine someone hand picked tl posts from code a games or from the nasl thread especially pokebunny. Koreans would get an even worse image from foreigners with those comments.



The thing is, the comments weren't hand-picked. I basically translated every single comment, aside from the ones talking about the casters...

I mean I don't think anyone should take to heart a couple negative comments made by netizens.
It's the internet...
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 21 2011 09:40 GMT
#6060
So Boxer was playing with latency issue? Hopefully so, otherwise I would be extremely disappointed as the games were not Boxerish at all...

On the other hand, MC micro'ed just fine in TSL Day 2. Perhaps it was solved?
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