EPTSeems like a pretty large group of those korean posters are excuse seekers with a superiority complex. I really hope the majority of the Korean population doesnt view foreign tournies or foreign players so poorly like those posters do. Obviously there was some lag, but 2 seconds is ridiculous, it never happens like that.
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
Seems like a pretty large group of those korean posters are excuse seekers with a superiority complex. I really hope the majority of the Korean population doesnt view foreign tournies or foreign players so poorly like those posters do. Obviously there was some lag, but 2 seconds is ridiculous, it never happens like that. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On March 21 2011 01:34 RedDragon571 wrote: Perhaps im retarded but is there a schedule or some way to view TSL3 live, and a schedule of when day 2 starts? Calendar on the right side. 1h 23 minutes until Day 2 starts according to the Upcoming events. There's also the TSL counter in the upper right corner, which I assume will count down for the beginning of each day. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 21 2011 01:34 RedDragon571 wrote: Perhaps im retarded but is there a schedule or some way to view TSL3 live, and a schedule of when day 2 starts? Schedule http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201449 | ||
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reddog1999
United States143 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 20 2011 18:33 syllogism wrote: Thanks for those, but wow they are obnoxious. Now I'm definitely cheering for any non-korean. e: err, obviously with the cave-at that I'm always cheering for boxer and nada  Lol someone hand picked korean comments to make them look bad. Anyone can do that. Imagine someone hand picked tl posts from code a games or from the nasl thread especially pokebunny. Koreans would get an even worse image from foreigners with those comments. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
 I'll give the stream another try today though, and hopefully it'll work better. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 21 2011 01:22 Darpa wrote: Seems like a pretty large group of those korean posters are excuse seekers with a superiority complex. I really hope the majority of the Korean population doesnt view foreign tournies or foreign players so poorly like those posters do. Obviously there was some lag, but 2 seconds is ridiculous, it never happens like that. If you were to randomly take posts from any GSL LR thread you would be far more disgusted. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On March 21 2011 00:13 Durp wrote: A few translated Korean netizen reactions from PlayXP + Show Spoiler + "BoxeR's GF reports 2 second lag delay- BoxeR's missed EMPS weren't his fault" "Really nervous about the lag delays" "BoxeR's opponent is not even a Code-A calibre player" "As an eSports leading country I somewhat feel ashamed that FD was taken out 2:0" "WELL... we still have NesTea" "Wow I just watched the games... connection is so horrible. BoxeR DCing -_- well, it is a "minor league" + Show Spoiler + this comment frustrated me, seemed to be serious and not sarcastic with his "minor league" comment. "I was wondering why boxer didn't control his marauders in game 2... I guess that was because cause of the lag..." "BoxeR... you really need to step it up" A little back and forth of 2 Knetizens: + Show Spoiler + "If there was a delay of 2 sec, its impossible to play the game. if i were to feel 2 sec delay while playing, its absurd. that means the game reacts after a sec or two following the mouse/keyboard input. I did watch fd's games and i saw some effects of lags in his games too (maybe they were just mistakes). If it was a bit of like sc1 w/e but 2 sec is ridiculous" "There's a good chance that people are lying about 2 sec delay, and every player has to deal with that lag. So i don't think it is appropriate to talk about who gets benefits/disadvantages from the lag. I personally believe if you are a pro you should be ready and able to deal with such problems." "If you are a pro, you want to perform at a perfect condition. Even Tiger Woods, i think he was quoted saying he does not play unless he is in perfect shape. it's not a pros responsibility to perform at a top level in any situation. A true pro is whom is able to perform at his/her full potential given ideal conditions. i don't think many of you guys have played on foreign servers, but there is instantaneous lag rather than lag that is continuous throughout the whole game." EDIT; seems to be many Koreans are focusing on the lag problems, specifically in BoxeR's set. I don't know if they are aware of the TL ruling on G1 or why it was made; I'll keep digging. Here is the coped GOMTV Knetizen forum responses, as translated by Brobear here + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2011 17:26 brobear wrote: Let me translate the GOMTV netizen comments for you guys. (Since the google translate button doesn't seem to work too well) Most of the comments are negative in regards to the overall skill level of players in the foreign scene. Korean netizens are brutal... -"ThorZaIN, who knocked out Fruitdealer, plays very well..." -"Was that really Fruitdealer? Why is he so bad???" -"Can't do much about it... They're playing in 2-second delay after EMP conditions..." -"Fruitdealer's condition is terrible... I wanted Korean dominance..." -"The Nightend and Boxer game is SO boring. Seems like a game played in Korea 6 months ago. I'm yawning while watching this after having seen MC's dynamic playing. Battles after maxing armies... This was the reason they reviewed sc2 to be boring before." -"NightEnd protoss can't even go into the preliminaries in our country, right? Lol this is hilarious." -"It's been a while since I've seen a protoss using colossi... It's still far away for the foreign scene to catch up to our level of play." -"Boxer's skill level... So bad." -"I feel for boxer's current state in the game... Don't know about the Terran's side of play, but there were a lot of points when boxer could've poked and done some damage, yet he couldn't. T_T boxer fighting." -"Can't make strong definitive attacks... Can't even hit code A round 16 wit this type of playing level..." -"Not just being a boxer anti-fan, but if you seriously consider boxer's skill level, doesn't seem like he can even hit code A round of 8's." -"Are these really matches played by progamers? Did I watch it wrong?" -"The EMP missed by boxer, the early marauder control in game 2, etc., are apparently all due to the quake in Japan and the lag caused due to it. And a few comments regarding the bad commentator (I guess for the Korean commentator who dubbed it, since Chill and Day9 are freakin awesome). I'll update it more tomorrow, if you guys would like! A lot of these Koreans can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On March 21 2011 02:26 Lennon wrote: A lot of these foreigners can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up. True or not, there's a coalition that refuses to accept that foreigners *could* at any point ever be as good as the Koreans, who say that it's somehow only going to get worse. (?) | ||
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LoCaD
Germany1634 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
A lot of these Koreans can't cope with the idea that foreigners are catching up. But they're not there yet  And yeah I prefer HP bars too. Many commentators say during their casts they'll turn the HP bars off during fights so you can see better, but honestly I don't have problems seeing with HP bars on. I always play with them on because they're so useful. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
NVM found the white thing on top of this thread. | ||
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mittens.
United States10 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
gogo huk stop donating stalkers! | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
(a) It's the internet. If Korean posters looked through some TL threads like "BAN KOREANS FROM NASL?" I think they would have at least as much reason to gripe as you guys have, if not more so-- and people commenting on TL include pros, not random internet trolls. (b) Korea is the mecca of e-sports. If Brazil's soccer team was dominated by Kuwait, or the US Olympic basketball team was beaten by China, the outrage would be intense. They take pride in their starcraft proficiency, and as you can see, the criticism is flowing as heavily on Boxer/FruitDealer as it is on NightEnd. (c) Lag IS an issue. It may not be an excuse (and in Thorzain v. FruitDealer, I think FD got straight up outplayed every step of the way), but it's a handicap that can't be dismissed for KR players. (d) Give it time. The biggest clash between international community and Korean progamers so far has been IEM, and ST_Ace and ST_Squirtle, who didn't make it past Ro32 of Code A, were 1 and 3 in the tournament, crushing through some of the strongest foreigner competition in the world (IdrA, socke, Sjow). TSL 3 is a different story, and if foreigners continue to show up like Thorzain did, the narrative will change. | ||
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brobear
United States101 Posts
On March 21 2011 02:01 Canucklehead wrote: Lol someone hand picked korean comments to make them look bad. Anyone can do that. Imagine someone hand picked tl posts from code a games or from the nasl thread especially pokebunny. Koreans would get an even worse image from foreigners with those comments. The thing is, the comments weren't hand-picked. I basically translated every single comment, aside from the ones talking about the casters... I mean I don't think anyone should take to heart a couple negative comments made by netizens. It's the internet... | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On the other hand, MC micro'ed just fine in TSL Day 2. Perhaps it was solved? | ||
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