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On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense
Well that might be true, but it's still a open forum.
If you dont like the obvious noob post. Then why watch at the thread?
no disrespect but even tho your a good player. Doesnt mean you get to say crap to ppl trying to learn from the COMMUNITY site Teamliquid
. its pretty easy just to ignore the posts which make no sense, and read those which you would want to read. But nvm your a good player. I havent said anything else.
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I'm just wonder why Zergs don't just race for Broodlords after getting up a lot of bases as having both Broodlords and a few Corruptors along with your Roach/Hydra seems a lot stronger than 50 Corruptors and a handful of roaches.
I'm just picturing it but wouldn't the Broodlings distract his units and Collossi enough to allow your units to get close which is the main problem, also the FFs but the Broodlords superior range would still allow you to damage his ground army from beyond the FFs and stalkers wouldn't be able to get close because of your ground forces?
I don't exactly know the investment required to mix in some Broodlords but seems like most Zerg have 4 bases incredibly fast anyways.
Regardless I still think him not taking the gases at his other expansions was the reason for losing.
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i can kind of see where idrA was coming from. even with that many corruptors nearly all of his ground army were killed by collosus too fast, rendering those corruptors useless, but the corruptors were needed or the collosus would not have died. it's hard and it sucks.
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On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense
Sorry I'm just plat bro! Sorry for at least trying to make sense of the game! Better that everyone sub-3800 masters just stfu and not even think, and just wait for dem proz to tell us how the game goes, right?
Right.
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On March 14 2011 05:16 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:14 ratMortar wrote:On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting It was definately a huge it but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all. Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have. u cant have a high hydra count when u have 15 idol corruptors sitting around because u dont have the eco to brood tech, after z whipes out the collo count p is obv gonna switch to ground and idra didnt have enought eco to defend the switch
He had the minerals but no gas. That's why I really want to know if those bottom expansions had drones on gysers, if they were, you'd be absolutely right about the 1 o'clock being essential, if they weren't then it was another mistake altogether that cost IdrA the game. It's not very clear in the replay, I just want to be sure.
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On March 14 2011 05:20 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:16 TT1 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:14 ratMortar wrote:On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting It was definately a huge it but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all. Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have. u cant have a high hydra count when u have 15 idol corruptors sitting around because u dont have the eco to brood tech, after z whipes out the collo count p is obv gonna switch to ground and idra didnt have enought eco to defend the switch He had the minerals but no gas. That's why I really want to knowe if those bottom expansions were mining gas, if they were, you'd be absolutely right about the 1 o'clock beingg essential, if they weren't then it was another mistake altogether that cost IdrA the game. It's not very clear in the replay, I just want to be sure.
They wern't mining Gretorp commented on that. He was only mining minerals from what I saw and heard.
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On March 14 2011 05:17 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense Well that might be true, but it's still a open forum. If you dont like the obvious noob post. Then why watch at the thread? no disrespect but even tho your a good player. Doesnt mean you get to say crap to ppl trying to learn from the COMMUNITY site Teamliquid . its pretty easy just to ignore the posts which make no sense, and read those which you would want to read. But nvm your a good player. I havent said anything else.
actually apart from that post there was only 1 other time that i brought this point up, ive been trying to hold it in but there comes a time where enought is enought : D, i know that tl needs the traffic but the gamers need an arena where they can talk aswell.. this site wasnt built just for the fans bro ^^
forget about posting on the forums, most of the gamers dont even like browsing tl anymore because of all the negatively.. u might see it as an elitists attitude which i really dont care about and im obviously generalizing but a huge majority of the new sc2 members shat on this site
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There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
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Nani outplayed him in every sense of the word, nothing surprising since he is a very good Toss in EU, bad reputation or not, he is a great player.
Idra is reverting more and more back to his BW days, he seems stuck and makes too many bad decisions despite his great macro.
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hell of way to end that series loved every moment of it
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On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD.
You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
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I'm getting a little worried for idra, hes said that he doesn't practice because he feels the game is so imbalanced, and now every game he loses he seems to blame on imbalance. There may be some balance issues, but nearly to point that idra blames all his games for it. Every time he complains it probably makes him more frustrated, and thus he plays less and gets worse, and more frustrated. Hopefully he keeps it together.
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On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
Don't change his words. IdrA shows lots of respect to players that are good. MVP and MC are players he's constantly spoken highly of. He said Ace was a really underrated player from the GSL when IEM was just starting... But when he bashes player like Choya, Hongun and Rain people assume he just BMs everyone.
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On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...
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funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
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On March 14 2011 05:03 Influ wrote:
am I the only one who thinks expanding towards the top as third and not the "pocket natural" is...not just a little mistake... to be not that harash?
I think expanding there and not bothering to watch the rocks at all was the mistake. An expansion there is doable, but taking the pocket third or the destro rocks third is always preferable IMO.
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I have to admit that Nanis PvZ is one of the best outside of Korea. He plays so solid and he doesn´t make many mistakes. For instance Nani whopped Morrows ass last week 4-2 in a showmatch.
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If Idra couldn't have engaged in the 1 o'clock main, at the very least he should have just sacced that expo and expanded somewhere else, losing only hatchery+extractors. Instead he threw away tons of units trying to go up the ramp, only to sac it later anyway.
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I don't think it's true that he doesn't practice. While it's clear he pretty much stopped to practice around when the Clash of the Titans showmatch was played, he said he practiced a lot for the IEM finals. I'm sure traveling from Korea and the time difference messed up his practice schedule, but he still managed to play probably 40 NA ladder games in the last 2 days going from 2900 to 3700 masters with a w/l record probably around 35-5.
Regardless, it seems obvious that he isn't in the best mind to play these days, he isn't happy with the game and particularly ZvP.
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