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This is going to be an awesome match up. I'm going predict 3-2 Dignitas.
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Can't call a winner on this one, I'll guess though:
SeleCT > Axslaw
Killer < Idra
Naniwa < iNcontroL
SjoW < StrifeCro (I love his ID, damn)
In short, I'm guessing a 3-1 victory for EG. Best of luck to both teams.
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I'm predicting EG to take this in the Ace match.
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I think EG should be able to take this, considering Axslav and StrifeCro have been all-killing recently, and IdrA is around. 3-1 or 3-2 EG, and I'm rooting for them too, although I expect some really good games and I'm a fan of Dignitas as well!
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if it was BO1 I'd say that EG has a great shot, but being BO3's I think it really comes down to who's having a better day.
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This could go either way really, but Strife and iNc got bad matchups though  . Like their worst matchup to be precise.. Anyways, GL to both teams.
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This will more than likely come down to the ace match. Since we don't know who those are yet its hard to predict the winner. Super confident about Idra and iNcontroL winning their series. However select and sjow are pretty strong players and should win their series.
As tonight proved this event brings amazing games, I expect the same with these two teams!
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EG 3-2 with Axslav and Idra x2
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siiiick Too bad there are 2 mirrors but still awesome. I've been waiting to see Axslav vs select for some time now.
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i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2
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I'm really looking forward to Select vs Axslav. Should be a fantastic bo3. I'm seeing EG taking it down 3-2 or 3-1.
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ouch another pvp for incontrol against a european protoss. will be a big upset if he win that one.
axslav > select
idra > killer
incontrol < naniwa
strifecro < sjow
idra > sjow/select unless he is terribly jetlagged.
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Either 3-1 Dignitas or 3-2 EG depending on the result of Select vs Axlsav.
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Lets go EG!! 
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Some fantastic games here to look forward to. Pick of the bunch will be Select vs Axslav in entertainment value and also maybe the deciding game of the series.
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Dignitas, stacked team.
They got it.
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On March 11 2011 15:06 Xeris wrote:
if it was BO1 I'd say that EG has a great shot, but being BO3's I think it really comes down to who's having a better day.
Lol i was thinking the opposite. It seems that in a BO3 is more reliant on skill and BO1 would rely more on luck and "who is having a better day."
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can incontrol and idra switch places? :D
me dont like PVP nor ZVZ lol
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i feel like its ganna come down to the naniwa and incontrol game
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my predictions:
Select 1:2 Axlav
Killer 0:2 Idra ( no more latency in his ZvZs :D )
Naniwa 2:1 iNcontrol
sjow 1:2 StrifeCro
so EG 3:1
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pretty good lineup for both teams, looks like this one is probably gonna goto an ace match. Idra vs Sjow anyone?
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I'm thinking 3-1 dignitas.
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So is this today? its not on the calendar.
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axslav > select
idra > killer
incontrol < naniwa
strifecro < sjow
predict it'll come down ot the acematch... if it does i would be Axslav vs naniwa/killer, and from there it's anyones game, but axslav has been on fire recently
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I'm going to have to go with Dignitas winning despite IdrA beating KiLLeR. Without latency issues anymore I can't see IdrA dropping too many games unless of course Dignitas has been coming up with specific anti-IdrA builds. SeleCT and SjoW are far too powerful and the iNc/Naniwa PvP is a tossup but Nani has more results to show so I'm going with him.
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How many hours till this starts?
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On March 13 2011 03:24 Raiznhell wrote:
How many hours till this starts?
35 minutes i believe.
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Let's see if incontrol practiced his PvP. Both teams are stacked tho, so it is a tough call.
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On March 13 2011 03:25 CidO wrote:35 minutes i believe.
Thanks I'm terrible with timezones. I even have a chart!
Derp. lol
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oh nice dignitas's europeans dont have to play at 4am. i think dignitas will win as long as their players are used to the latency
On March 13 2011 03:27 Raiznhell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 03:25 CidO wrote:On March 13 2011 03:24 Raiznhell wrote:
How many hours till this starts? 35 minutes i believe. Thanks I'm terrible with timezones. I even have a chart! Derp. lol
the time is displayed in your timezone :o
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Well my predicitions for the liquid v fnatic game was a complete fail so Im gonna go counter what I think, even though Im a big dignitas fan, ill say 3-0 for EG(hope im wrong):D
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either 3-1 dignitas or 3-2 EG (With Idra winning the ace match)
Axslav vs Select will be the deciding series imo.
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On March 13 2011 03:33 shaunnn wrote:
Well my predicitions for the liquid v fnatic game was a complete fail so Im gonna go counter what I think, even though Im a big dignitas fan, ill say 3-0 for EG(hope im wrong):D
On March 08 2011 10:32 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 09:51 bkrow wrote:On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote:
sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not Have you heard of KawaiiRice? The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly.
Yes... yes it was.
In any event good luck to both teams. This should be an interesting match.
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shaunnn Ireland. March 13 2011 03:33. Posts 1019 PM Profile Quote #
Well my predicitions for the liquid v fnatic game was a complete fail so Im gonna go counter what I think, even though Im a big dignitas fan, ill say 3-0 for EG(hope im wrong):D
Yeah, I thought liquid would at least win a match or make it to the ace match. But anyways, EG fighting. Can't wait to see inControl and Idra. And I can't believe this didn't make it onto the calendar.
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On March 13 2011 03:43 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 03:33 shaunnn wrote:
Well my predicitions for the liquid v fnatic game was a complete fail so Im gonna go counter what I think, even though Im a big dignitas fan, ill say 3-0 for EG(hope im wrong):D Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 10:32 shaunnn wrote:On March 08 2011 09:51 bkrow wrote:On March 08 2011 09:51 shaunnn wrote:
sen will wreck haypro and liquid will easily take the other 3, only one that will be close is TLO v fenix and it completely depends how well fenix is playing atm, whether he decided to pick it up after iem or not Have you heard of KawaiiRice? The guy with zero major results against any top players in last like 4-5 months? yes and I give him 0 chance against a player of rets calibre who just had a few months training in korea and has already established hes currently better than 90% of the wests top players at assembly. Yes... yes it was. In any event good luck to both teams. This should be an interesting match.
I blame time zones:D
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Why is this not listed in Upcoming events on the right side of forum ?
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Axslav > Select
IdrA > Killer
Naniwa > incontrol
sjow > strifecro
ace match:
IdrA > sjow imo
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On March 13 2011 03:51 cujo2k wrote:
Axslav > Select
IdrA > Killer
Naniwa > incontrol
sjow > strifecro
ace match:
IdrA > sjow imo
I think nani might be ace, sjow seems to be slumping a bit lately
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On March 13 2011 03:50 DBrave wrote:
Why is this not listed in Upcoming events on the right side of forum ?
yeah this and also why is not listed on the On Air section on the right side.
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How come this isn't on the event calendar? I PM'd Brood about this many days ago T__T!
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Diggity and Gretorp casting?
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What is it about the Malice in wonderland-movie and you guys? Seen that picture on stream every time.
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I hope EG wins, but I think Dignitas has this in the bag.
Predictions:
Select > Axslav
Killer < Idra
Naniwa > Incontrol
Sjow > Strifecro
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On March 13 2011 04:07 Quakie wrote:
What is it about the Malice in wonderland-movie and you guys? Seen that picture on stream every time.
They are sponsoring the tournament
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This needs to be listed in events almost didn't see it.
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On March 13 2011 04:08 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:07 Quakie wrote:
What is it about the Malice in wonderland-movie and you guys? Seen that picture on stream every time. They are sponsoring the tournament
And "they" are? The film company behind the movie? Never actually heard it mentioned on cast.
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Idra is in the US now, hooray for no lag!
Some awesome games lined up, this is going to be good.
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I hope Dignitas take it, but I have a feeling EG might get over the line.
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select doesn't really look like he knows how to deal with phoenixes
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those 8 colossus didn't do crap :o
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My god, those Ghosts destroyed that army. 3 Colossus going down in the space of like 3 seconds.
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Holy crap... Axlav was on move-command and had terrible colossus positioning...
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oh god i was so happy select killed that army. it was a bad bad bad composition from axslav. but then select should have loaded his medivacs and taken out the bottom expansion, not attacking the front! and definitely not landing his vikings that really hurt
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Is the stream laggy for anyone else? Its unwatchable for me, which makes me a bit sad
Normally JustinTV works great here and other streams from JustinTV don't lag for me right now, just this one
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On March 13 2011 04:25 Mithriel wrote:Is the stream laggy for anyone else? Its unwatchable for me, which makes me a bit sad Normally JustinTV works great here and other streams from JustinTV don't lag for me right now, just this one
Change the quality.
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Wp by select in that fight his korean micro showing, holy shit average 320 apm what a beast
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Select with 320 APM average, SICK!
Thats like >400 BW APM.
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I love my net, can't even watch on 240p without buffering every 5s
That said, I'm going to stick with it because this should be great heh. Nice SeleCT!
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gosh that was impressive. beautiful by select.
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Sigh so sad I can't watch this
Gogogogo Dignitas
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I like the mass medivac style (double reacports), very good synergy with upgraded marauders.
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What version of terminus are they playing that has gold expos? It must be really old.
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If Select takes first one, it will be difficult for EG (win against Nani or Sjow).
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wow select's apm is sick... never seen a 300 before at that stage of the game! Even the koreans in korea have like 200 or less. Idra has around 150 too!
Is SelecT, SelecT_T in DotA east?
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I was surprised that the initial engagement was so bad for Axslav. On the face I thought that he would roll select there. Seemed like the positioning was bad or something.
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select is so damn good, I thought he was totally screwed at the start.
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think Axlav threw that away with a couple poorly orchestrated battles, wp by both though.
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oh man why couldnt they go PvZ x2 instead of PvP and ZvZ
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don't know why Aslav 40 supplies ahead but still lose the game, he didn't know when to attack and choose position to attack.
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Select's use of ghosts during that first big battle was really crucial. Pro level players don't use ghosts against Protoss near enough.
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On March 13 2011 04:31 Asha` wrote:I love my net, can't even watch on 240p without buffering every 5s That said, I'm going to stick with it because this should be great heh. Nice SeleCT!
Could be justin.tvs awesome european routing, i have 200mb down and 100 up in college and in some streams i get buffering problems
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I'm so glad SeleCT has been transitioning into a much better playing style than his old 2 base timings. He is starting to really look like dignitas' ace player.
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On March 13 2011 04:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
What version of terminus are they playing that has gold expos? It must be really old.
It's probably verison 1.0 since 1.1 is all blue bases.
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On March 13 2011 04:32 hitman133 wrote:
don't know why Aslav 40 supplies ahead but still lose the game, he didn't know when to attack and choose position to attack.
bad army composition and bad positioning catching 3-4 emps behind the watch tower
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On March 13 2011 04:32 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:31 Asha` wrote:I love my net, can't even watch on 240p without buffering every 5s That said, I'm going to stick with it because this should be great heh. Nice SeleCT! Could be justin.tvs awesome european routing, i have 200mb down and 100 up in college and in some streams i get buffering problems
Same for me, getting buffering problems. No matter which resolutions, it`s not even worse on higher res.
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awesome matches and a great tournament. On a side note can you switch obs to gretorp? not that diggity is really bad or anything it's just that gretorp is there and he's really good^^
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On March 13 2011 04:25 Mithriel wrote:Is the stream laggy for anyone else? Its unwatchable for me, which makes me a bit sad Normally JustinTV works great here and other streams from JustinTV don't lag for me right now, just this one
try 720p
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On March 13 2011 04:32 PSA wrote:
I was surprised that the initial engagement was so bad for Axslav. On the face I thought that he would roll select there. Seemed like the positioning was bad or something.
bad positioning isn't even close to discribe it. select sniped like 7 collossi without them getting more then 2 shots off.
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It was known that europeans have problems watching JustinTV for a while.
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He reallly REALLY overcommited to those collosus imo, 6 is a bit much anyway but especially vs mass viking its kind of iffy, GG anyway and gl axslav in the next games cos your a great player, protoss fighting!
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So what are the results so far? I gather SeleCT won a game vs Axslave but was that game 1?
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On March 13 2011 04:32 backtoback wrote:
wow select's apm is sick... never seen a 300 before at that stage of the game! Even the koreans in korea have like 200 or less. Idra has around 150 too!
Is SelecT, SelecT_T in DotA east?
He at least played DotA, so I guess he is.
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On March 13 2011 04:32 PSA wrote:
I was surprised that the initial engagement was so bad for Axslav. On the face I thought that he would roll select there. Seemed like the positioning was bad or something.
The position was awful, but the nail in the coffin was the stalker count. Great to see that Select endured through the annoying-ass Phoenix harass though! GG
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Seems like Axslav had a small timing with the phoenix colossus opening but missed it and let select catch up on vikings
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On March 13 2011 04:34 backtoback wrote:
It was known that europeans have problems watching JustinTV for a while.
Yeah but it's gotten much better... they used to have a limit to euro viewers per stream and some nonsense like that:/ But Justin.tv is now probably my favorite streaming site and I don't really notice anymore lag from there compared to the other major streaming sites, and they are the only ones that offer switching between resolutions so you can adjust to lag problems.
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On March 13 2011 04:35 Telcontar wrote:
So what are the results so far? I gather SeleCT won a game vs Axslave but was that game 1?
+ Show Spoiler +Select 1-0
EG 0-0 Dignitas
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On March 13 2011 04:32 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:31 Asha` wrote:I love my net, can't even watch on 240p without buffering every 5s That said, I'm going to stick with it because this should be great heh. Nice SeleCT! Could be justin.tvs awesome european routing, i have 200mb down and 100 up in college and in some streams i get buffering problems
Nah it's just me on this occasion mate, I used to be reasonable even on JTV but I think they changed something at my local exchange recently (they were supposed to a while back) because the speed has dropped off massively. Lately I can barely watch a youtube vid without having to buffer it (trying to watch the Hayder vs TLO series on Husky's channel was a nightmare) Called the ISP, but they were "unable" to explain it and just apologised for the inconvenience.
Anyway, rooting hard for SeleCT to take this down 2-0....MakaRax!
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axslav was really dependent on storm doing a ton of damage to vikings. the vikings were close to each other but they werent stacked. there werent enough stalkers. there needs to be some really baller force fields to trap a bunch of the MM (ghost EMP helped a lot there), otherwise colossi are never guaranteed shots
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this build is soooo comon nowadays. face it every single time on ladder ;S
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On March 13 2011 04:37 LiviN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:35 Telcontar wrote:
So what are the results so far? I gather SeleCT won a game vs Axslave but was that game 1? + Show Spoiler +Select 1-0
EG 0-0 Dignitas
Much obliged.
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Wow, lucky for Asxlav that select left there... I thought he was a goner being supply blocked and all.
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On March 13 2011 04:37 joheinous wrote:
and they are the only ones that offer switching between resolutions so you can adjust to lag problems.
Really? Does it for you?
I have same buffering probs on all resolutions.
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axslav dodged the bullet there
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Aslav lost like 4 pylons so far already
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Haha this is so cool...I'm actually watching this match over incontrol's shoulder at PAX!! EG fighting!! ^.^
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On March 13 2011 04:42 Synystyr wrote:
Haha this is so cool...I'm actually watching this match over incontrol's shoulder at PAX!! EG fighting!! ^.^
You lucky guy haha, i cant watch because justin tv decided to start hating on euros again.
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Axslav really loves his sentries doesn't he?
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Axslav playing so much better this game. Yeah! Go Axslav!
Edit: Seeing all those mauraders, wouldn't a couple VRs just tear through select?
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Select has more than 500 minerals, more than enough supply, but does not constantly build workers. I have seen this several times from him, and I simply dont understand it. It really should not be a problem with his mechainics.
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Aslav can just attack and kill Select right now
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Select 30 workers behind now. He really hates SCVs.
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On March 13 2011 04:43 nekuodah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:42 Synystyr wrote:
Haha this is so cool...I'm actually watching this match over incontrol's shoulder at PAX!! EG fighting!! ^.^ You lucky guy haha, i cant watch because justin tv decided to start hating on euros again.
yeah, the video is lagging every 30s, really bad streaming host :/
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On March 13 2011 04:54 syllogism wrote:
SelecT's lack of constant scv production is indeed shocking
He just threw so many away in the begining
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Is it really that efficient to make those huge 7-8 colossus numbers that axslav goes for? Should he be getting 4-6 instead and teching to something else or getting more gateway support units? I'm a Zerg so I dunno the fine details of PvT but it seems a bit excessive to get that many :o
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On March 13 2011 04:51 vebis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:43 nekuodah wrote:On March 13 2011 04:42 Synystyr wrote:
Haha this is so cool...I'm actually watching this match over incontrol's shoulder at PAX!! EG fighting!! ^.^ You lucky guy haha, i cant watch because justin tv decided to start hating on euros again. yeah, the video is lagging every 30s, really bad streaming host :/
No lag problems here, running at 480p in Sweden on a 5mbit connection.
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On March 13 2011 04:45 Redox wrote:
Select has more than 500 minerals, more than enough supply, but does not constantly build workers. I have seen this several times from him, and I simply dont understand it. It really should not be a problem with his mechainics.
I have seen this a lot too and it's troubling. I don't see why he struggles so much with it, especially with 300+ apm.
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FINALLY gg, Axslav could have won the secon game for ten straight minutes, and was just too paranoid (or shaken up from blowing the first game?) to push and finish off Select. And Select almost came back...
1-1 Axslav vs. Select. Really good games so far.
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On March 13 2011 04:54 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 04:54 syllogism wrote:
SelecT's lack of constant scv production is indeed shocking He just threw so many away in the begining
The lack of production, especially before landing his first expanson, was the much bigger problem.
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On March 13 2011 04:55 iNcontroL wrote:
WHERE YOU AT NOW TYLER?
lol
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GG's so far
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god... I feel like select played that perfectly... I feel so bad for him
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On March 13 2011 04:59 stalife wrote:god... I feel like select played that perfectly... I feel so bad for him
Well, he lost too much to the stalker/sentry force but I admit I don't have better ideas of dealing with it :-/
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Wow, sick Zealot micro saved him.
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Again, Axslav takes an excellent lead! Amazing hold against the early push.
I hope he capitalizes on this
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SeleCT's poor scv production showing again being 3 workers down after taking out 3~4 probes of Axslav's.
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lol SeleCT drops a mule right as DT's arrive
oh dear, that was rather unfortunate
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And that's what happens when you don't go blind e-bay.
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Dark templar hold position at the choke so Select can't wall in = baller move of the series. No doubt.
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On March 13 2011 05:06 badcop wrote:
And that's what happens when you don't go blind e-bay.
or when u spend all ur energy and drop a mule with 2 dts in ur base
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Sick DT play there. Really tough for select using that mule right before the DTs come in.
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Axslav playing really damn well all three games.
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On March 13 2011 05:04 Telcontar wrote:
SeleCT's poor scv production showing again being 3 workers down after taking out 3~4 probes of Axslav's.
I don't think that was poor scv production... in early game like that protoss is much ahead in workers
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"might be pulling away a little bit" rofl
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On March 13 2011 05:08 stalife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:04 Telcontar wrote:
SeleCT's poor scv production showing again being 3 workers down after taking out 3~4 probes of Axslav's. I don't think that was poor scv production... in early game like that protoss is much ahead in workers
Yeah 3~4 worker deficit is normal but SeleCT was down 3 after taking out 3+ probes
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Wow, Axslav played excellently.
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oh SeleCT =(
not happy.
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Sick play by Axslav, showing APM isn't everything. <3
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Damn, Axslav is a beast!!
EG FIGHTING!! Here we go IdrA!!
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Axslav AMAZING third game <3
Woo! EG up 1-0!
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hope Axslav will do well at MLG this year.
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Idra up next! This should be entertaining, well played Axslav!
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IdrA is back in the US right?
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On March 13 2011 05:06 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:06 badcop wrote:
And that's what happens when you don't go blind e-bay. or when u spend all ur energy and drop a mule with 2 dts in ur base
he dropped the mule just before the DT came up the ramp ><
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Damn... don't want EG to succeed. GO dignitas!!
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Really cool build from Axslav looked almost identical to his build the game before as far as Select could tell.
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ugh i would have liked to see select do some 1/1/1 builds. felt like select's 2rax opening was just too risky. a safe 1/1/1 variant would have let him get into the mid game in good standing, at which point he can proceed to crush axslav!
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On March 13 2011 05:11 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:06 ribboo wrote:On March 13 2011 05:06 badcop wrote:
And that's what happens when you don't go blind e-bay. or when u spend all ur energy and drop a mule with 2 dts in ur base he dropped the mule just before the DT came up the ramp ><
Unfortunate timing but he should have considered dark templar. Axslav only had three gateways and supposedly nothing else in his base -> some sort of cheese. Spend a scan scouting or save some energy just in case... especially when the harrass fails.
IdrA time
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Hmm someone should tell the observer to scroll up, because the camera view is weirdly low...
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Stream is lagging horribly.
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On March 13 2011 05:11 Telcontar wrote:
IdrA is back in the US right?
Yeah, I believe that's the case.
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On March 13 2011 05:16 Pekkz wrote:
Stream is lagging horribly.
Try lowering the quality.
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Is this Day[9] commentating?
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On March 13 2011 05:18 z]Benny wrote:
Is this Day[9] commentating?
Diggity and Gretorp.
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On March 13 2011 05:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
ugh i would have liked to see select do some 1/1/1 builds. felt like select's 2rax opening was just too risky. a safe 1/1/1 variant would have let him get into the mid game in good standing, at which point he can proceed to crush axslav!
By safe 1/1/1 you mean mass Banshee, right?
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On March 13 2011 05:06 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:06 badcop wrote:
And that's what happens when you don't go blind e-bay. or when u spend all ur energy and drop a mule with 2 dts in ur base
Yea I guess having good macro is bad.
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On March 13 2011 05:20 -Ziggy- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
ugh i would have liked to see select do some 1/1/1 builds. felt like select's 2rax opening was just too risky. a safe 1/1/1 variant would have let him get into the mid game in good standing, at which point he can proceed to crush axslav! By safe 1/1/1 you mean mass Banshee, right?
no it means 1rax, 1factory, 1starport. you can make whatever you want with it
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Wow that was ridiculously one-sided >.>
IdrA rolled him so easily. Killer needs to find a way to harrass him.
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On March 13 2011 05:21 Tachion wrote:
kinda baffling that killer tried to force that engagement.
he only would have been more behind if he attacked later x)
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On March 13 2011 05:21 -Ziggy- wrote:
That never works!
what?
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On March 13 2011 05:21 Tachion wrote:
kinda baffling that killer tried to force that engagement.
He was severly behind in drones and upgrades, if he didn't go for a narrow timing attack he wouldn't stand a chance later on
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Has Killer not seen this hatch first roach build? Getting speedlings and a late hatch almost always gets you behind as soon as that first round of roaches gets out.
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I love the upgrade timing on that battle. A couple seconds before the battle started, +1 carapace finished for IdrA; a couple seconds after the battle ended, the upgrade finished for dKiller. Wonder if that made a difference?
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sigh, ZvZ is so confusing man -___-
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On March 13 2011 05:22 brownthing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:21 Tachion wrote:
kinda baffling that killer tried to force that engagement. He was severly behind in drones and upgrades, if he didn't go for a narrow timing attack he wouldn't stand a chance later on
Any sort of timing attack was far gone at that point. The only chance he had was to keep stockpiling forces and wait till max rather than try to engage idra with inferior numbers.
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On March 13 2011 05:23 hitman133 wrote:
sigh, ZvZ is so confusing man -___-
Not really. Seems pretty straightforward:
1. Thwart early harrass.
2. Macro like IdrA.
3. Win the game.
See? Easy
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On March 13 2011 05:23 imareaver3 wrote:
I love the upgrade timing on that battle. A couple seconds before the battle started, +1 carapace finished for IdrA; a couple seconds after the battle ended, the upgrade finished for dKiller. Wonder if that made a difference?
Massive difference.
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+1 armor zerglings take 3 shots to kill as opposed to 2, would of allows his roaches to damage a lot more while the zerglings took shots.
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Diggity is really good.
Gretorp not so much.
Nice use of the banelings, never seen them used like that in a zvz before.
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why would u not show healthbars...even for just a second if it's too hard
nice idra pwning
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Nice, solid play from IdrA!
DO IT INCONTROL!! EG FIGHTING!!
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On March 13 2011 05:34 Callous wrote:
Diggity is really good.
Gretorp not so much.
Matter of taste, I love Gretorps casting !
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incontrol fighting!!!!
questionable on Killer's part on killing off the hatchery with banelings
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IdrA making it look easy.
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On March 13 2011 05:34 Callous wrote:
Diggity is really good.
Gretorp not so much.
Nice use of the banelings, never seen them used like that in a zvz before.
It's really risky and expensive though. It's worth it if you are behind, but not otherwise
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ugh select game 3.. wat a shitty way to lose
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IdrA is pretty good... ha ha. I love watching him play. I'm always on the edge of my seat for his games.
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o god mutas fucking suck in zvz battles
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Nani and Sjow will craw back !!
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Goooo Incontrol! Bring it home!
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thx to admit your bias gretorp, doesn't change it's annoying like hell all the time
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This should be a great series I think. Go go iNcontroL!
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I don't know how you can be playing in a big team league tournament and... just disappear when it's your turn to play.
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On March 13 2011 05:40 Odal wrote:
I don't know how you can be playing in a big team league tournament and... just disappear when it's your turn to play.
you know who you are talking about, do you?
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i think 2-0 for EG i saw a game were axslav won, and now idra won so 2-0 or 1-1
ok its 2-0
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Fuck I missed axslav vs select. I was super excited for it too T.T
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On March 13 2011 05:40 Odal wrote:
I don't know how you can be playing in a big team league tournament and... just disappear when it's your turn to play.
It's Naniwa, man. You gotta expect this shit.
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I know, but didn't he get interviewed somewhat recently about him not being a douche anymore?
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dSeleCT <Terminus RE> EGAxslav
dSeleCT <Xel'Naga Caverns> EGAxslav
dSeleCT <Metalopolis> EGAxslav
dKiLLeR <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
dKiLLeR <Xel'Naga Caverns> EGIdrA
2-0 EG so far
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I think nani is the favorite on paper, but I hope incontrol takes it, incontrol fighting!
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2-0 naniwa easy one sided
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On March 13 2011 05:41 Odal wrote:
I know, but didn't he get interviewed somewhat recently about him not being a douche anymore?
Naniwa(r), Naniwa(r) never changes.
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Time to whip your hair back and forth Geoff! DO it for aiur, for eg, for america!
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On March 13 2011 05:43 backtoback wrote:2-0 naniwa easy one sided
calling this!
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lol at 13 gate from incontrol.
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On March 13 2011 05:39 Irave wrote:
This should be a great series I think. Go go iNcontroL!
yeah, you clearly haven't been paying much attention to pvp of late
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This is looking quite painful already. Incontrol is playing so bad.
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Silly incontrol tried to do something besides 4gate or cannon rush in PvP
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T_T pvp so lame
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naniwa is real good @ pvp
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That was brutal, so one sided.
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Now that was a quick PvP series
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Well Naniwa clearly knows something about pvp that Incontrol doesn't.
Or maybe it was the lag after all, but still.
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wow, 2 silly games
well played by naniwa though
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Turns out 4-Gate is pretty damn good. To be honest its all I do in PvP. I don't really know how people stop it when you can warp in on the high ground.
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lol incontrol bad build order, bad micro, nothing good ive seen from him.......
i think id beat incontrol pvp olol.
how can u play not 4 gate safe -,-
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On March 13 2011 05:54 Mailing wrote:
Silly incontrol tried to do something besides 4gate or cannon rush in PvP
agreed, its either defending the 4gate, attacking with 4 gate, or some kind of cannon cheese
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"European Protoss, they four-gate real good" iNcontroL
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sjow will WIn, i don't know the other guy, sooo ACE MATCH INCOMING
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On March 13 2011 05:54 ZeraToss wrote:
naniwa is real good @ pvp
Its more that incontrol needs to work on his pvp.
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"Metagame micro-control"...
Strange things coming out of Gretorps mouth.
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On March 13 2011 05:55 PSA wrote:
Turns out 4-Gate is pretty damn good. To be honest its all I do in PvP. I don't really know how people stop it when you can warp in on the high ground.
4gate defend of your own
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On March 13 2011 05:55 DiaBoLuS wrote:
lol incontrol bad build order, bad micro, nothing good ive seen from him.......
i think id beat incontrol pvp olol.
how can u play not 4 gate safe -,-
yeah, I agree.
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On March 13 2011 05:55 PSA wrote:
Turns out 4-Gate is pretty damn good. To be honest its all I do in PvP. I don't really know how people stop it when you can warp in on the high ground.
by doing the same - but defensive. and use the high ground advantage as good as possible with having some more probes.
its the ONLY way vs good 4 gate... no idea what incontrol did there rly...
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Here I`m hoping for Sjow to take the next game and ensuing Ace match against Idra
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Unfortunately, SjoWs TvZ is his weakest x_x
Still rooting for him, gogo SjoW!
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iNcontroL played badly in this series. 1st game he did 4 warpgate, but put his gates too late. Second game he put a 14 pylon before his gas, not even utilizing it, then losing micro battle zel/sent/stalk vs stalk/zel. Sloppy play, I hope it was due to playing at Pax.
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If you've watched incontrols stream lately you know his 4 gate isn't great and that he absolutely hates 4 gate.
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On March 13 2011 05:56 blooblooblahblah wrote:
"European Protoss, they four-gate real good" iNcontroL
we saw what hasuobs did with incontrol in a "long" pvp.
ololol.
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On March 13 2011 05:56 backtoback wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:55 PSA wrote:
Turns out 4-Gate is pretty damn good. To be honest its all I do in PvP. I don't really know how people stop it when you can warp in on the high ground. 4gate defend of your own
Well yeah, but that isn't really a different build is it. I'll be very happy when some people that are way better than me figure out how to play PvP without the 4gate at all.
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4 gate... FUUUUUUUUUU!
Poor Inc keeps getting matched in PvP. I'd love to see him stomp a zerg in GCPL at least once.
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On March 13 2011 05:57 PSA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 05:56 backtoback wrote:On March 13 2011 05:55 PSA wrote:
Turns out 4-Gate is pretty damn good. To be honest its all I do in PvP. I don't really know how people stop it when you can warp in on the high ground. 4gate defend of your own Well yeah, but that isn't really a different build is it. I'll be very happy when some people that are way better than me figure out how to play PvP without the 4gate at all.
you can! build a forge and 2 cannons on the choke. its super effective vs anything else obv.
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Stream is lagging really bad, are there any restreams?
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wat build did nani do in the first game?, missed it
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On March 13 2011 05:57 BatCat wrote:
Unfortunately, SjoWs TvZ is his weakest x_x
Still rooting for him, gogo SjoW!
ZvT is Strife's weakest as well.
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On March 13 2011 05:59 shaunnn wrote:
wat build did nani do in the first game?, missed it
4 gate.
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who are the casters
and lol at the post above^^
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On March 13 2011 06:03 ZeraToss wrote:
who are the casters
Gretorp and Diggity.
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Pretty bad creep spread for strifeco, if this was morrow creep would be coming into sjows base by now
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Looks like Strifecro is trying July's style of low drone count aggressive mid game. Not gonna work it seems.
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Why don't zergs ever spread the first few lings to eat the initial splash from tanks? Strifecro just lost like 75% of his lings before they even touched the tanks.
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Seems like Strife is all inning 3 base soo far behind should have just taken a 4'th/5'th xD.
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This map and positions are terrible for Terran vs Zerg
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I wonder who EG's ace is gonna be - IdrA or Axslav?
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ugh, some really bad banelings from strife. Blowing up like 10 of em on like 2-3 tanks
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hmm seems nobody uploaded taldarim 1.1 on NA yet lol :/. you can see the 3rd has still 2 gas.
Anyways Europe hwaiting !! fuuu EG :D
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the map is cross position way too long for terran... dont like the fact that sjow plays better but needs really long to take his advantage
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sjow <3 that's how we roll
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StrifeCro keeps throwing away units, doesn't drone up
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Think you have to send idra as Eg's ace, don't really know who you send as dignitas to counter though.
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Awfull play by Strifecro :/ Loving the casting tho! Observing is a bit strange..
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Solid play by Sjow but strifcro playing with too little econ.
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On March 13 2011 06:12 baeric wrote:
the map is cross position way too long for terran... dont like the fact that sjow plays better but needs really long to take his advantage
Worked both ways. On a shorter map, Strifecro would have just baneling busted straight through that defense. But Strifecro played really sloppy for Tal'Darim, and paid for it.
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Strifecro's initial push could have won the game but he was too indecisive. Aftewards he should have just droned up. Regardless, seems like a bad decision to go that aggressive on that map against Sjow. Pure muta harass seems to work well against him.
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i think Idra is the Ace man, haah PredY nice
strife co that was soo good positions for you
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Would mass expanding and adding infestors have been more effective for Z that game?
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Thats pretty terrible by Strifecro. Well played by Sjow though, i was already afraid he'd go mech :D
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On March 13 2011 06:10 Telcontar wrote:
Looks like Strifecro is trying July's style of low drone count aggressive mid game. Not gonna work it seems.
Idra said it best in that July's style doesn't work if the Terran just plays defensively up to 3 bases and pushes out with a 200/200 army.
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On March 13 2011 06:12 baeric wrote:
the map is cross position way too long for terran... dont like the fact that sjow plays better but needs really long to take his advantage
What are you talking about? He can expand and was already taking advantage of his advantage lol. He was up 1 base on zerg and everything. Are you disappointed because he couldn't just walk over and win in 5 seconds?
On topic well played by sjow good defense and dont' know why strife was all inning like he did :/.
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I hope it goes to an ace I want to see Nani vs Idra
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On March 13 2011 06:12 baeric wrote:
the map is cross position way too long for terran... dont like the fact that sjow plays better but needs really long to take his advantage
On a shorter map, he would have paid for that late siege mode with a very fast loss. The distance gave him the time to get up and support that many barracks while adding medivacs - only adding on tanks when he was getting ready to push.
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results so far? put in spoiler.
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On March 13 2011 06:12 baeric wrote:
the map is cross position way too long for terran... dont like the fact that sjow plays better but needs really long to take his advantage
-.-;;;;;;;;;
That is exactly what we DO want to happen. The opposite is called steppes of war
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Strifecro's strategy was off. To quote Artosis, "when you go mutas, you need to go mutas". 15 mutas aren't really going to do much. If he had spent that muta gas on banelings instead, he could've just rolled through the tanks.
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I missed the Axslav games
they are releasing the replays later?
I think EG's ace will be either IdrA or Axslav but most likely going to be IdrA
dignitas will choose between Naniwa and Sjow but I'm guessing Naniwa b/c IdrA isn't that good in ZvP and Naniwa is really good at PvP
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I feel like Strifecro could have won if the PF at Sjow's 3rd was up 15 seconds later
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Can someone tell me scores so far please? OP's not updated.
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please tell russell to use way more health bars for the finals and nasl. so many times important health bars aren't shown, so viewers miss out on a lot. for one small example, we don't know how close that overlord just got to dying
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On March 13 2011 06:13 durza wrote:
Think you have to send idra as Eg's ace, don't really know who you send as dignitas to counter though.
Naniwa or Sjow obv.
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On March 13 2011 06:19 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:13 durza wrote:
Think you have to send idra as Eg's ace, don't really know who you send as dignitas to counter though. Naniwa or Sjow obv.
I think Naniwa would be the smarter choice. The guy must be practicing hard for his TSL match against Ret so his PvZ should be sharp.
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On March 13 2011 05:42 Tachion wrote:
dSeleCT EGAxslav
dSeleCT EGAxslav
dSeleCT EGAxslav
dKiLLeR EGIdrA
dKiLLeR EGIdrA
2-0 EG so far
nani < shakuras plateau > incontrol
nani < metal? > incontrol
sjow < tal'darim altar > strifecro
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On March 13 2011 06:19 Jimmeh wrote:
Can someone tell me scores so far please? OP's not updated.
dSeleCT <Terminus RE> EGAxslav
dSeleCT <Xel'Naga Caverns> EGAxslav
dSeleCT <Metalopolis> EGAxslav
dKiLLeR <Scrap Station> EGIdrA
dKiLLeR <Xel'Naga Caverns> EGIdrA
dNaniwa <Shakuras> EGiNcontroL
dNaniwa <Metalopolis> EGiNcontroL
dSjoW <Tal'Darim> EGStrifeCro
oops beat me to it
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Coming up we should see late siege being punished, as promised!
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strife walks his banelings right past the mineral line and doesn't get any scv's lol
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Sjow needed more bunkers after that first bust, if he could afford it.
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Cheers for results Antoine/Tachion.
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i find those baneling bust boring as hell.
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On March 13 2011 06:23 MaRkieMarK wrote:
Sjow needed more bunkers after that first bust, if he could afford it.
he had only 50 minerals
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On March 13 2011 06:23 MaRkieMarK wrote:
Sjow needed more bunkers after that first bust, if he could afford it.
ye, wouldve needed a 2nd wall behind it.
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.... why is the ace match tomorrow? I don't get it.
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Gotta love how 3 mules almost match the 30 harvesters in minerals/sec haha. Nice game by Strifecro.
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meh lol, no tanks to deal with banelings= gl hf
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On March 13 2011 06:23 phisku wrote:
i find those baneling bust boring as hell.
If you're going to FE like that, you have to rush to siege tech as fast as possible. Trying to get the starport for medivacs first was just too greedy, and Strifecro took advantage.
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On March 13 2011 06:24 Nimic wrote:
Baneling bust is hard.
About as hard as parking siege tanks and building turrets around it right? It was a good reaction to what sjow was doing, and it worked. Who cares if it was easy, it won.
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If he just let his 3 rax block and bunker behind, he would have been fine.
He opened up a path directly to the bunker, because he wanted add one on all those raxes.
Blocking with bunker only wihtout having siege got punished, very anti-climatic.
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On March 13 2011 06:25 eluv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:23 phisku wrote:
i find those baneling bust boring as hell. If you're going to FE like that, you have to rush to siege tech as fast as possible. Trying to get the starport for medivacs first was just too greedy, and Strifecro took advantage.
some truth in that.
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On March 13 2011 06:25 eluv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:23 phisku wrote:
i find those baneling bust boring as hell. If you're going to FE like that, you have to rush to siege tech as fast as possible. Trying to get the starport for medivacs first was just too greedy, and Strifecro took advantage.
i agree that sjow didn't make the right choice but idk, i still don't like banebust. maybe those 5 game on the ladder where i was baneling busted influence my opinions :p.
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As is said his wall off including a bunker was bad too...
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On March 13 2011 06:27 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:25 eluv wrote:On March 13 2011 06:23 phisku wrote:
i find those baneling bust boring as hell. If you're going to FE like that, you have to rush to siege tech as fast as possible. Trying to get the starport for medivacs first was just too greedy, and Strifecro took advantage. some truth in that.
nah you dont need siege, sjow's build is a bit different but if you rush stim asap you get it in time of the bust and have medivacs out too, with 2 bunkers you can win easily
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faster 4th rax instead of factory and stim/micro should have held that handily >> medivacs are overrated early on
gogo sjow \o/
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They are playing on the wrong maps. The updated terminus has no gold...
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nvm ninja'ed
gogo sjow indeed
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No lair yet, high eco bane bust?
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reactor factory forces roach warren but sjow just built it for starport switch^^
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So what's happening? Why went the stream offline?
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stream down, so where's the ace match?
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Ace match will be played tomorrow.
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The ace match will be played tomorrow, why? Is that normal in this league?
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hmmm.. the chat on justin tv suggests the ace match will be tomorrow
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Ace is tomorrow... at 2pm EST I think.
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lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while.
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Why where they playing the wrong map... would of figured people would know the gsl maps by now... thought choosing the wrong map would be a instant rematch for that map ?
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On March 13 2011 06:57 Sqq wrote:
lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while.
Probably cause whoever is going to play the ace can't play at this time.
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On March 13 2011 06:57 Sqq wrote:
lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while.
Maybe an ace can't play right now? It's a pity, but might be necessary for the competition.
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It's kinda weird to have the ace match on another day. After all it could end up being a 5 minute all-in or something and then it would be over so it doesn't make sense to schedule it all on its lonesome.
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They said 11pm PST if I remember correctly.
That's 20:00 CET for Europeans btw...
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On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2
still following my prediction hahaha
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On March 13 2011 06:57 Sqq wrote:
lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while.
Here Here. Even worse is that it wasn't mentioned till the match between Sjow/Strifecro was being played. If you set a match date play the full games that date. Obviously if power outages or internet outages or emergencies occur people will understand.
Going into this as a spectator and not being told that if an Ace match occurs it will be played tomorrow is complete BS. There is no excuse for that.
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On March 13 2011 07:00 Cade)Flayer wrote:
It's kinda weird to have the ace match on another day. After all it could end up being a 5 minute all-in or something and then it would be over so it doesn't make sense to schedule it all on its lonesome.
Ace match is actually a series too. (I think)
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On March 13 2011 07:01 backtoback wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2 still following my prediction hahaha
If IdrA is the ace for EG, who could take him down from Dignitas? SjoW?
I'm thinking IdrA = Win.
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On March 13 2011 07:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:01 backtoback wrote:On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2 still following my prediction hahaha If IdrA is the ace for EG, who could take him down from Dignitas? SjoW? I'm thinking IdrA = Win.
maybe naniwa but i doubt it since he does 4gate or other cheese.
I can not imagine idrA losing in an Ace match if he faces Dignatas tomorrow
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On March 13 2011 07:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:01 backtoback wrote:On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2 still following my prediction hahaha If IdrA is the ace for EG, who could take him down from Dignitas? SjoW? I'm thinking IdrA = Win.
no that's Sjow weakest matchup.
I would pick Naniwa
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i assume dignitas agreed to the rescheduling of the ace match but it does seem a bit ridiculous to me
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They will probably play Naniwa. He has a better chance than SjoW or SelecT.
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Select is a possibility, but it's quite likely dignitas thinks Naniwas has the best chance as a protoss
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Yea Nani since IdrA's weakness is ZvP. SeleCT and Sjow is not really impressive in TvZ.
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On March 13 2011 07:05 backtoback wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 13 2011 07:01 backtoback wrote:On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2 still following my prediction hahaha If IdrA is the ace for EG, who could take him down from Dignitas? SjoW? I'm thinking IdrA = Win. maybe naniwa but i doubt it since he does 4gate or other cheese. I can not imagine idrA losing in an Ace match if he faces Dignatas tomorrow
If he played today more than likely not, tomorrow though is another issue. Now Dignitas has 24 hours to form a plan to take Idra down since there is no doubt he'll be coming out for EG. Idra on the other hand won't have that same advantage. I see Idra going down tomorrow against some funky builds most likely from Select.
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Man I was standing behind incontrol during his games. So very laggy Poor guy.
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EG has every right to call for a re-fight on game three between Sjow and Strifecro. They played on an outdated terminus map. The updated version has no gold.
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On March 13 2011 07:14 ptbl wrote:
EG has every right to call for a re-fight on game three between Sjow and Strifecro. They played on an outdated terminus map. The updated version has no gold.
nvm he won on that map.
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On March 13 2011 07:16 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:14 ptbl wrote:
EG has every right to call for a re-fight on game three between Sjow and Strifecro. They played on an outdated terminus map. The updated version has no gold. SelecT also played on that map and lost so.
Select didn't say anything. If you were watching the match, strifecro brought it up in the game, but the casters said he was wrong. Obviously strifecro was right and the admins/casters were wrong.
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On March 13 2011 07:16 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:14 ptbl wrote:
EG has every right to call for a re-fight on game three between Sjow and Strifecro. They played on an outdated terminus map. The updated version has no gold. SelecT also played on that map and lost so.
He won on that map.
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On March 13 2011 07:16 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:14 ptbl wrote:
EG has every right to call for a re-fight on game three between Sjow and Strifecro. They played on an outdated terminus map. The updated version has no gold. SelecT also played on that map and lost so.
Actually Select won on terminus, which was the first map. He lost the last two matches.
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Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match!
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On March 13 2011 07:07 hitman133 wrote:
Yea Nani since IdrA's weakness is ZvP. SeleCT and Sjow is not really impressive in TvZ.
Idra's weakness is Korean PvZ and foreigner TvZ.
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On March 13 2011 07:21 ShamTao wrote:
Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match!
It was counted because no one protested at the time of the match. If you were watching the strifecro brought it up in chat, but the casters didn't believe him.
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On March 13 2011 07:26 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:21 ShamTao wrote:
Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match! It was counted because no one protested at the time of the match. If you were watching the strifecro brought it up in chat, but the casters didn't believe him.
should have had msged an admin and not believe the casters.
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On March 13 2011 07:32 PredY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:26 ptbl wrote:On March 13 2011 07:21 ShamTao wrote:
Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match! It was counted because no one protested at the time of the match. If you were watching the strifecro brought it up in chat, but the casters didn't believe him. should have had msged an admin and not believe the casters.
He was in the middle of the game...
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On March 13 2011 07:26 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:21 ShamTao wrote:
Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match! It was counted because no one protested at the time of the match. If you were watching the strifecro brought it up in chat, but the casters didn't believe him.
Still, he should have paused and explained it clearly and quit the map. You can't just play out the match and then replay it because he lost, that would give StrifeCro one extra chance and that would be even worse.
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On March 13 2011 06:59 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:57 Sqq wrote:
lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while. Probably cause whoever is going to play the ace can't play at this time.
As far as I know... and please someone correct me if any of this is inaccurate... No, it's just how they've scheduled it with no explanations given. During the season, matches were allowed to be played at different times and different servers if the players agreed. But for the playoffs, the folks running this league decided it's all gonna be played live and on NA. Keeping in mind that the people running GCPL are the same folks running NASL, who have said that online competitions can't be streamed live because it makes cheating possible, this decision is indeed perplexing! It was quite unfortunate for the ragtag group of hooligan gamers I call a team, since our guys all had to play at times they are normally sleeping. If TL vs fnatic had gone to an ace match, it was also going to be played on Sunday.
If this is all so they don't have to cast from replays, then I don't think the TL community is gonna be too pleased. Getting the best performances out of players is top priority! While we've always had a vocal minority of people upset that they're watching a replay, we've also always successfully shouted down that minority and forced them to cease their stupidity and enjoy the amazing competitions!
Letting the "IT'S A REPLAY?!?!!??! IT'S NOT LIVE?!?!?!?!!?" crowd win out over the clear-sighted, good-hearted people that form the core of this wonderful community, who hold player performance as sacred, would be a huge loss.
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On March 13 2011 07:35 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:26 ptbl wrote:On March 13 2011 07:21 ShamTao wrote:
Er, even so, since SeleCT v Axlav was counted, the series should be consistent with it. To the Ace Match! It was counted because no one protested at the time of the match. If you were watching the strifecro brought it up in chat, but the casters didn't believe him. Still, he should have paused and explained it clearly and quit the map. You can't just play out the match and then replay it because he lost, that would give StrifeCro one extra chance and that would be even worse.
On March 13 2011 04:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
What version of terminus are they playing that has gold expos? It must be really old.
Jinro explained it on page 4, way before the match ever happened. The admins and casters still didn't do anything.
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On March 13 2011 07:38 ptbl wrote:
Jinro explained it on page 4, way before the match ever happened. The admins and casters still didn't do anything.
Then it's fair to assume the admins decided that the version used of Terminus_RE was the one they were supposed to be playing on.
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Keeping in mind that the people running GCPL are the same folks running NASL, who have said that online competitions can't be streamed live because it makes cheating possible, this decision is indeed perplexing
I think this might be the most confusing part for me as well. Has there been an explanation for the discrepancy?
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will there be any vods? i missed the action!
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On March 13 2011 07:40 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:38 ptbl wrote:
Jinro explained it on page 4, way before the match ever happened. The admins and casters still didn't do anything. Then it's fair to assume the admins decided that the version used of Terminus_RE was the one they were supposed to be playing on.
No, they mentioned in the cast that this was the most updated gsl terminus map, which clearly isn't. People were pointing this out in the Justin.tv chat, but they thought the viewers were trolling, which they obviously weren't.
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On March 13 2011 07:44 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:40 Seronei wrote:On March 13 2011 07:38 ptbl wrote:
Jinro explained it on page 4, way before the match ever happened. The admins and casters still didn't do anything. Then it's fair to assume the admins decided that the version used of Terminus_RE was the one they were supposed to be playing on. No, they mentioned in the cast that this was the most updated gsl terminus map, which clearly isn't. People were pointing this out in the Justin.tv chat, but they thought the viewers were trolling, which they obviously weren't.
Casters =/= admins afaik.
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On March 13 2011 07:47 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:44 ptbl wrote:On March 13 2011 07:40 Seronei wrote:On March 13 2011 07:38 ptbl wrote:
Jinro explained it on page 4, way before the match ever happened. The admins and casters still didn't do anything. Then it's fair to assume the admins decided that the version used of Terminus_RE was the one they were supposed to be playing on. No, they mentioned in the cast that this was the most updated gsl terminus map, which clearly isn't. People were pointing this out in the Justin.tv chat, but they thought the viewers were trolling, which they obviously weren't. Casters =/= admins afaik.
I'm not sure if you've seen the previous GCPL matches, but when an admin isn't present, the casters assume the role. If you were watching the game between strifecro and sjow, you'll notice there was no admin in the game, so diggity and gretorp were making the decisions on the spot. They were debating if they should do a regame, but they reached the conclusion that they were using the most updated terminus map, which they weren't.
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I can't wait for the Ace match!
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imo the main difference in new terminus is not gold->normal expos, but rather the orientation of the 3rd, where the minerals no longer are close to the counterclockwise base but instead are close to the edge of the map
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On March 13 2011 07:35 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:59 Seronei wrote:On March 13 2011 06:57 Sqq wrote:
lol. why would the ace match be played tomorrow ? Thats the stupidest shit I've heard in a while. Probably cause whoever is going to play the ace can't play at this time. As far as I know... and please someone correct me if any of this is inaccurate... No, it's just how they've scheduled it with no explanations given. During the season, matches were allowed to be played at different times and different servers if the players agreed. But for the playoffs, the folks running this league decided it's all gonna be played live and on NA. Keeping in mind that the people running GCPL are the same folks running NASL, who have said that online competitions can't be streamed live because it makes cheating possible, this decision is indeed perplexing! It was quite unfortunate for the ragtag group of hooligan gamers I call a team, since our guys all had to play at times they are normally sleeping. If TL vs fnatic had gone to an ace match, it was also going to be played on Sunday. If this is all so they don't have to cast from replays, then I don't think the TL community is gonna be too pleased. Getting the best performances out of players is top priority! While we've always had a vocal minority of people upset that they're watching a replay, we've also always successfully shouted down that minority and forced them to cease their stupidity and enjoy the amazing competitions! Letting the "IT'S A REPLAY?!?!!??! IT'S NOT LIVE?!?!?!?!!?" crowd win out over the clear-sighted, good-hearted people that form the core of this wonderful community, who hold player performance as sacred, would be a huge loss.
You make some good points. I would say though that the NASL playoffs will be streamed live (although its a bit different since players will physically be there O_o).
i do believe they should have conducted the play offs the same way as the rest of the tournament. And what is the deal with the outdated Terminus? Why is no one from GCPL answering any of these questions.
Not sure if time of matches should really be an excuse for losing though. It is an American tournament. Was scheduling not explained to the teams before the play offs?(i'm assuming from your reaction it was not).
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On March 13 2011 07:59 ultramafia wrote:
Why is no one from GCPL answering any of these questions.
One of 3 things:
-They haven't read the questions yet.
-They're plugging their ears with their fingers hoping the issues will fade away.
-They're taking their time thinking of reasonable excuses.
Take your pick.
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On March 13 2011 07:58 Antoine wrote:
imo the main difference in new terminus is not gold->normal expos, but rather the orientation of the 3rd, where the minerals no longer are close to the counterclockwise base but instead are close to the edge of the map
You may be right, but I'm just pointing out the gold------>normal because strifecro brought this specific issue up in the game. I'm just surprised that the GCPL organizers and casters haven't watched any GSL games. Jinro brought this up on page 4, but it's surprising that they didn't do anything about it.
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On March 13 2011 08:03 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:59 ultramafia wrote:
Why is no one from GCPL answering any of these questions. One of 3 things: -They haven't read the questions yet. -They're plugging their ears with their fingers hoping the issues will fade away. -They're taking their time thinking of reasonable excuses. Take your pick.
Or a combination of all 3! I do think its important to experience these things before the start of the NASL.
I'm also not sure its fair to assume the NASL will not have more admins and individuals involved in planning of matches.
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hi
i missed the sjow/strifecro games
could someone pls pm me the results, only drama in the last few pages, no actual game discussion ~~
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On March 13 2011 08:59 cyprin wrote:
hi
i missed the sjow/strifecro games
could someone pls pm me the results, only drama in the last few pages, no actual game discussion ~~
It's a LR so we can say it openly.
Sjow won the first game. Strifecro tried some July-esque 3 base aggression play with very little drone count and Sjow just out macro'd him. 2nd game, Strifecro did a huge 2 base baneling bust and without stim or siege tanks, Sjow couldn't hold it. 3rd game, Sjow just harassed the hell out of Strifecro with marine drops and because Strifecro opted for roach/ling/bling, he couldn't handle it well. Sjow in the end just out econ'd him to victory.
2-1 to SjoW.
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On March 13 2011 09:09 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 08:59 cyprin wrote:
hi
i missed the sjow/strifecro games
could someone pls pm me the results, only drama in the last few pages, no actual game discussion ~~ It's a LR so we can say it openly. Sjow won the first game. Strifecro tried some July-esque 3 base aggression play with very little drone count and Sjow just out macro'd him. 2nd game, Strifecro did a huge 2 base baneling bust and without stim or siege tanks, Sjow couldn't hold it. 3rd game, Sjow just harassed the hell out of Strifecro with marine drops and because Strifecro opted for roach/ling/bling, he couldn't handle it well. Sjow in the end just out econ'd him to victory. 2-1 to SjoW.
Thanks.
Happen to remember the map order?
I posted the LR thread on reddit, need to update it. xD
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lolol at gcpl wanting to suck the last ounce of blood out of this, vampires!!!!
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On March 13 2011 09:11 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 09:09 Telcontar wrote:On March 13 2011 08:59 cyprin wrote:
hi
i missed the sjow/strifecro games
could someone pls pm me the results, only drama in the last few pages, no actual game discussion ~~ It's a LR so we can say it openly. Sjow won the first game. Strifecro tried some July-esque 3 base aggression play with very little drone count and Sjow just out macro'd him. 2nd game, Strifecro did a huge 2 base baneling bust and without stim or siege tanks, Sjow couldn't hold it. 3rd game, Sjow just harassed the hell out of Strifecro with marine drops and because Strifecro opted for roach/ling/bling, he couldn't handle it well. Sjow in the end just out econ'd him to victory. 2-1 to SjoW. Thanks. Happen to remember the map order? I posted the LR thread on reddit, need to update it. xD
It was Tal'darim Altar, Scrap Station and Terminus RE in that order.
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can we have the replays please?
I missed the Select vs. Axslav series and Axslav is one of my favorite players
please and thanks
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I watched this series over incontrol's shoulder (as did a pretty big group of people) and can say for a fact that his lag was awful. There were a few cases were he was trying to micro his stalkers and the delay was so bad the zealot would get in 2 or 3 hits. He didnt seem to happy but that was the way pax lag was. Nothing he could do about it but still had to be extremely frustrating.
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On March 13 2011 06:27 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:25 eluv wrote:On March 13 2011 06:23 phisku wrote:
i find those baneling bust boring as hell. If you're going to FE like that, you have to rush to siege tech as fast as possible. Trying to get the starport for medivacs first was just too greedy, and Strifecro took advantage. some truth in that.
If you go FE into siege first, you might as well quit the game because the zerg is free to make about 90 drones before you can even touch him.
Plus it means sitting in your base for so damn long because unless you are doing a pretty allin tank marine push (which is kinda obvious when you do), you wont be able to move out in time to do anything pre-muta...
FE into siege tank kinda sucks in general --
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when do we see the final game? its not on the calendar
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It is sometime today they said on stream. I cant really remember but I believe it is 11:00 AM est but I could be wrong.
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so when is the ace match. I mean in how many hours/minutes
Or better yet the time in CET
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On March 13 2011 23:55 Frankon wrote:
so when is the ace match. I mean in how many hours/minutes
Or better yet the time in CET
I think it's exactly 3hrs from now. I think I heard them say it was 11am pst.
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Its 25 minutes from now for everyone not on pacific time:D
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whose gonna be on ace match
Idra vs Select?
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On March 14 2011 02:43 DarkRise wrote:
whose gonna be on ace match
Idra vs Select?
I'm hoping for IdrA vs SjoW
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Ace match going to be streamed?
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I'd guess naniwa - idra, naniwa has a very good pvp and decent pvz, and EGs terrans are either not ace match worthy(imo) or have sustained drinking injuries.
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On March 14 2011 02:57 Penke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 02:43 DarkRise wrote:
whose gonna be on ace match
Idra vs Select? I'm hoping for IdrA vs SjoW
Sjow is playing go4sc2 right now. Is these games casted live? Idra was playing that cup as well so it would be a bit strange if they went into the tournament if the team games was scheduled to be played before the tournament was over.
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it looks like it will be in a hour or so...
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SelecT v IdrA would be the coolest, given their match history
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Is it possible to confirm that the game hasnt been played yet? :O Just got home, i thought they said 2pm EST yesterday on stream...
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The match will take place at 3pm EST. Dignitas wasn't aware there was a time change in the United States and we agreed to play later.
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isn't that like 45min from now on
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These guys at gosucoaching are terrible at organizing a competition. A lot of blunders and unpleasantness all along this tournament. Not very professional, not very professional...
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On March 14 2011 03:18 ForgottenOne wrote:
These guys at gosucoaching are terrible at organizing a competition. A lot of blunders and unpleasantness all along this tournament. Not very professional, not very professional...
In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Nobody died, no big deal.
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On March 14 2011 03:16 DBrave wrote:
isn't that like 45min from now on
1h 30min
aka 21.00 CET
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from what I can piece together it's at 3pm EDT, which is the same as 2pm EST. If this is wrong somebody from EG or GCPL can correct me.
On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:18 ForgottenOne wrote:
These guys at gosucoaching are terrible at organizing a competition. A lot of blunders and unpleasantness all along this tournament. Not very professional, not very professional... In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Nobody died, no big deal.
to be fair to the dignitas manager, he's actually correct according to what the GCPL people have said, since they mistakenly said 11am pst when they meant 11am pdt.
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As an idra fanboy, if he loses, it's because of jet lag or imbalance.
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On March 14 2011 03:29 Wnatz wrote:1h 30min aka 21.00 CET
Err. If I'm not mistaken it should be in thirty minutes actually. DST put us forward and hour this morning.
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On March 14 2011 03:29 Wnatz wrote:1h 30min aka 21.00 CET
It's in 27minns. It is 2:33pm est right now
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Yeh, Just relise now.. I am so confused.
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On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:18 ForgottenOne wrote:
These guys at gosucoaching are terrible at organizing a competition. A lot of blunders and unpleasantness all along this tournament. Not very professional, not very professional... In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Nobody died, no big deal.
Wondering how a European should know the U.S. has different dates of going into summertime :| ...
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On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:
In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members.
Why?
Is he from NA?
If he is then you are right.
If he's European you're being unreasonable.
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Yea, they weren't aware of the time change... this will take place in 20 minutes !
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On March 14 2011 03:41 Xeris wrote:
Yea, they weren't aware of the time change... this will take place in 20 minutes !
Who are the two aces!???
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On March 14 2011 03:38 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:
In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Why? Is he from NA? If he is then you are right. If he's European you're being unreasonable.
Being from NA has nothing to do with it. it's simply the managers responsibility to get players in place on time. That includes being on top of time zone changes, DST, and other issues like that. I don't expect the general European to be on top of USA time zones and DST, but I expect someone who is responsible for players who are competing in NA, or anywhere else for that matter, to be aware of those issues. It's just part of the job.
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I like how the GCPL organizers are purposefully ignoring the map fiasco. Such BM.
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On March 14 2011 03:44 johnnysokko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:38 TheBanana wrote:On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:
In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Why? Is he from NA? If he is then you are right. If he's European you're being unreasonable. Being from NA has nothing to do with it. it's simply the managers responsibility to get players in place on time. That includes being on top of time zone changes, DST, and other issues like that. I don't expect the general European to be on top of USA time zones and DST, but I expect someone who is responsible for players who are competing in NA, or anywhere else for that matter, to be aware of those issues. It's just part of the job.
The blade cuts at 2 sides, the competition organizers should be aware that not everyone is on top of time zone changes and should warn participating clans.
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On March 14 2011 03:44 johnnysokko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:38 TheBanana wrote:On March 14 2011 03:21 johnnysokko wrote:
In this instance, that's pretty unfair. The manager of Dignitas really had the responsibility for being aware of the DST situation. He clearly dropped the ball, and everyone was gracious enough not to make the situation a pain in the ass for the Dignitas team members. Why? Is he from NA? If he is then you are right. If he's European you're being unreasonable. Being from NA has nothing to do with it. it's simply the managers responsibility to get players in place on time. That includes being on top of time zone changes, DST, and other issues like that. I don't expect the general European to be on top of USA time zones and DST, but I expect someone who is responsible for players who are competing in NA, or anywhere else for that matter, to be aware of those issues. It's just part of the job.
it's a simple mix-up. I'm not saying the dignitas manager would have gotten it correct if the GCPL people had used the correct terminology (although that is possible), but the fact is that the official gosucoaching time stated was 11am PST. to clarify once and for all, 11am PST today is 24 hours from 11am PST yesterday, and is 10 minutes from now. PST does not change overnight, rather, most of the US (excepting arizona and maybe a few other places) goes from EST/CST/MST/PST to EDT/CDT/MDT/PDT.
let's now move on from the time issue and look forward to great games!
I'm predicting idra vs nani, idra 2-0 win, but we'll see what happens =D
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IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up!
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On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up!
Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid.
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On March 13 2011 08:03 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:59 ultramafia wrote:
Why is no one from GCPL answering any of these questions. One of 3 things: -They haven't read the questions yet. -They're plugging their ears with their fingers hoping the issues will fade away. -They're taking their time thinking of reasonable excuses. Take your pick.
Well I think it's the second option and it's working .
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I like how they both put their weakest player against the other team's strongest, just to hand them a free win.
Although I hate to say it, I think only IdrA will win for EG.
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On March 14 2011 03:59 Munk-E wrote:
I like how they both put their weakest player against the other team's strongest, just to hand them a free win.
Although I hate to say it, I think only IdrA will win for EG.
They already played the 4 games yesterday. It's 2-2. The GCPL organizers decided to have the ace match today, so they can milk more viewers (judging from what Tyler said).
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IDRA FIGHTING!!!
GOOO EG!!
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On March 14 2011 04:02 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:59 Munk-E wrote:
I like how they both put their weakest player against the other team's strongest, just to hand them a free win.
Although I hate to say it, I think only IdrA will win for EG. They already played the 4 games yesterday. It's 2-2. The GCPL organizers decided to have the ace match today, so they can milk more viewers (judging from what Tyler said).
Are you serious? This is an awesome set up! I've been so hyped for this match up for an entire day!
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On March 14 2011 04:04 smallerk wrote:
is this bo3 or bo5?
bo3
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On March 14 2011 04:03 emperorchampion wrote:IDRA FIGHTING!!! GOOO EG!! edit: Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:02 ptbl wrote:On March 14 2011 03:59 Munk-E wrote:
I like how they both put their weakest player against the other team's strongest, just to hand them a free win.
Although I hate to say it, I think only IdrA will win for EG. They already played the 4 games yesterday. It's 2-2. The GCPL organizers decided to have the ace match today, so they can milk more viewers (judging from what Tyler said). Are you serious? This is an awesome set up! I've been so hyped for this match up for an entire day!
From a pro-player perspective it sucks. Read Tyler's explanation http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200299¤tpage=18#346
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It was achilles and the tortoise, the tortoise and the hare is a childs story to teach some moral:D
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insta GG idra
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Holy crap nice forcefields.
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Idra loses game one ater failing to bust naniwa's 3 gate expand
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lol that's definately idra playing
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Was kinda expecting Idra to instantly gg after seeing the voidray, but he continued the game for another 30 seconds, yay.
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Ugh, nice defense from Nani.
IdrA still got this ez~
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On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid.
I'm pretty sure Liquid
+ Show Spoiler +
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not really nice forcefields, he could spam around 20 anyways.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
right
he wants eg to lose so they meet in the bronze match.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
He means for 3rd place then?, coz if nani wins eg play for 3rd
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That was very impressive from Naniwa, EG looks to be in a lot of trouble.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
He's talking about for third place match.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
That's why he wants EG to lose.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
They did
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
It's talking about the consolation matches
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
That's why he said he wants Nani to win.
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On March 14 2011 04:12 illmanic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 03:55 HeroHenry wrote:On March 14 2011 03:54 Xeris wrote:
IDRA VS NANIWA, comin up! Hope Nani wins I want to see EG vs Liquid. I'm pretty sure Liquid + Show Spoiler +
LoL well that would make sense then wouldnt it. If hes hoping Dignitas wins.
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i didnt know there is going to be 3rd place match
Thats awesome !!
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On March 14 2011 04:08 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:03 emperorchampion wrote:IDRA FIGHTING!!! GOOO EG!! edit: On March 14 2011 04:02 ptbl wrote:On March 14 2011 03:59 Munk-E wrote:
I like how they both put their weakest player against the other team's strongest, just to hand them a free win.
Although I hate to say it, I think only IdrA will win for EG. They already played the 4 games yesterday. It's 2-2. The GCPL organizers decided to have the ace match today, so they can milk more viewers (judging from what Tyler said). Are you serious? This is an awesome set up! I've been so hyped for this match up for an entire day! From a pro-player perspective it sucks. Read Tyler's explanation http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200299¤tpage=18#346
Whether or not it's a replay has no effect on the broadcast times. I agree that replays are the better way to go, but I love the broadcast format. Whether or not they do it live is independent of that.
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Anyone care to summarise the 1st game?
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Pardon me for my silliness I see why now...
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On March 14 2011 04:17 Telcontar wrote:
Anyone care to summarise the 1st game?
Nani does a normal 3 gate expand, after the nexus goes up he tosses down a stargate. Idra trys to break with a roach/ling combo. Nani holds with good forcefields and chronos out the VR. IdrA GG's when he realizes he has no anti air
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On March 14 2011 04:17 Telcontar wrote:
Anyone care to summarise the 1st game?
Naniwa expands with zealot/sentry
IdrA tries to break with 5-10 roaches and 20 zerglings
does not work
void ray comes to his natural, not enough queens, leaves.
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it would be funny if that VR was a halucination and Idra GG
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Everytime i checked these results incontrol lost^^.
Anyways go naniwa!
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Even if it was hallu, 2 base protoss vs a zerg who id behind on econ from doing a roach rush
would of been an almost un-winnable situation unless nani made a big mistake later on.
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Wow, very very nice timing from Naniwa.
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Gretorp keeps saying EGIdra, but he never says DignitasNaniwa. >.<
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Nice play from IdrA!! GOGOGOGO IDRA!!
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Is the stream incredibly laggy for anybody else?
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such baller play by Idra. I'm impressed :D
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Anyone restreaming by any chance? It's completely unwatchable atm t.t
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Nani falls way behind, but very nice hold
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Holy hell, I thought naniwa had lost that
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kind of disappointing that Idra doesn't see that 1 pylon is powering 2 Robo Bays and 1 Cybernetics Core
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On March 14 2011 04:27 udgnim wrote:
kind of disappointing that Idra doesn't see that 1 pylon is powering 2 Robo Bays and 1 Cybernetics Core
+1.
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If Idra just killed that pylon it would have been GG... no immortals could have came out.
Open your eyes Idra!
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Really disapppointing play by idra, that pylon was powering the 2 robos and the core, it was already down to 0 shields, why didnt he just focus it down :S
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This game is so good so far.
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No idea why IdrA didn't take out that single pylon, the game would have ended right there if he did.
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I never critisize IdrA's play ever, but 2 robos and a cybernetics core were being supported by a lone pylon, if he had killed it it would have been game.
EDIT: I can now retract this because he won the game doing just that.
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Huge blunder there in not killing the pylon by idra imo.
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haha he finally took out the pylon
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yeah, pylon finally down... and GG
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Haha, there goes the pylon. should be gg
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Wow, this game has really shown the difference in skill between IdrA and Naniwa!!
Beautiful game! IDRA FIGHTING!!
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Wow he droned throughout that entire attack, or was it right after? He got out a huge hydra army in like 4 minutes. Do these replays get released?
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Would have thought Naniwa would wait for 2 Colossi before pushing, and would have secured robo power with an additional pylon.
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On March 14 2011 04:30 emperorchampion wrote:
Wow, this game has really shown the difference in skill between IdrA and Naniwa!!
Not really.
Naniwa losing 3 sentries very early on probably decided the whole game.
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Looks like Naniwa forgot Zerg can make hydralisks based on that # of immortals.
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how did nani win vs idra and control
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On March 14 2011 04:30 emperorchampion wrote:Wow, this game has really shown the difference in skill between IdrA and Naniwa!! Beautiful game! IDRA FIGHTING!!
Not really, it showed losing 3 sentrys full of energy early game to 6 lings means ur pretty much screwed, if zerg does a midgame roach push
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On March 14 2011 04:28 ratMortar wrote:
I never critisize IdrA's play ever, but 2 robos and a cybernetics core were being supported by a lone pylon, if he had killed it it would have been game.
EDIT: I can now retract this because he won the game doing just that.
Honestly, he would've won either way because of the huge army advantage, taking out that pylon with the roach attack however, would've given him the game much earlier.
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On March 14 2011 04:24 mrg wrote:
Is the stream incredibly laggy for anybody else?
I've never been able to view this stream in 720p /1080p, Always have to go 360p usually, I can watch 5 other justin.tv steam at the same time in highest quality with no lag. Been like this for months for me.
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On March 14 2011 04:30 emperorchampion wrote:Wow, this game has really shown the difference in skill between IdrA and Naniwa!! Beautiful game! IDRA FIGHTING!!
You have to take off those tinted glasses man.
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On March 14 2011 04:32 Wnatz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:24 mrg wrote:
Is the stream incredibly laggy for anybody else? I've never been able to view this stream in 720p /1080p, Always have to go 360p usually, I can watch 5 other justin.tv steam at the same time in highest quality with no lag. Been like this for months for me.
I find it funny how the stream lags for me at 480p and works just fine at 1080p.
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On March 14 2011 04:32 Wnatz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:24 mrg wrote:
Is the stream incredibly laggy for anybody else? I've never been able to view this stream in 720p /1080p, Always have to go 360p usually, I can watch 5 other justin.tv steam at the same time in highest quality with no lag. Been like this for months for me.
I had it on fullscreen, so I didn't realise the quality could be dropped. 480p is a lot smoother now, thanks. I'm on 100 Mbit in Sweden, so it definitely shouldn't be a problem on my side.. Hopefully this doesn't become a problem for NASL :/
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On March 14 2011 04:36 mrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:32 Wnatz wrote:On March 14 2011 04:24 mrg wrote:
Is the stream incredibly laggy for anybody else? I've never been able to view this stream in 720p /1080p, Always have to go 360p usually, I can watch 5 other justin.tv steam at the same time in highest quality with no lag. Been like this for months for me. I had it on fullscreen, so I didn't realise the quality could be dropped. 480p is a lot smoother now, thanks. I'm on 100 Mbit in Sweden, so it definitely shouldn't be a problem on my side.. Hopefully this doesn't become a problem for NASL :/
Justintv is really weird. Some streams works perfectly and some almost not at all. It has gotten better though, a few months ago I couldn't watch almost none of them.
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After Idra got those 3 sentries it was all downhill. Surprised that Nani didn't add a pylon in that location in his natural though.
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Yeah, he left a low HP pylon alive throughout the attack, and took a long time to kill the gateway (force field would not have worked if that gate was dead)
Guess it's hard to pay full attention to these things when microing and macroing at the same time, but it's something for him to work on
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170 food vs 120 food
if idra loses this game...
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So many corrupters, awesome.
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On March 14 2011 04:42 cyprin wrote:
170 food vs 120 food
if idra loses this game...
He can't find a good position to attack.
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holy shit idra nice hold, gonna give me a heart attack.
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I honestly thought IdrA had lost that
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OH DAMN!! IDRA FIGHTING!!
YOU CAN DO ITTTTT!!
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would be great to see a Ht transition now rendering those corrupters useless.
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idra needs to turn these corruptors to broodlords and its over.
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Sorry, i just tuned in but could someone tell me what the score is.
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no way idra wins this =/, its too hard for all the reinforcements to stream in at once, while nani's can come in perfect waves via gate, we'll see though! sick game so far
lol, idra really did outplay him , made really good decisions, but because the threat of collosi he was stuck with useless corrupters, sigh
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Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
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CW is 2-2. IdrA vs. Nani ACE is 1-1
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"this game is a fucking jokie"
loooooooooool
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Too many corrupters. and forgetting gas on his 5th.
gg
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On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
because if you don't you entire army dies to colossi. if you only build like 10 or co corrupters, then the colossi kill off your army before you can do anything
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ahhh, wow close game!
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that's how an ace match should end :D
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Fucking sick PvZ nani! :D Love it when that guy brings his A-game.
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That map/ramp play is just ridiculous. gg though.
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THIS GAME IS A FUCKING JOKIE
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"This game is a fucking jokie" !!!!!
Yes IdrA!!
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That line is going down in history.
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this game is a fucking jokie
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On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose.
wp'd by nani grats dignitas.
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LOL
Good job idra, about time we saw some of that rage.
Do I see another 'making carriers is a good skill toi have' in the making?
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this game is a fucking jokie
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Idra: "this game is a fucking joke" before leaving.
Come on man, it was a good game. Regardless, gratz to dignitas.
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EG idra acting like a 12year old as usual. So he devoted years of his life to a game he considers "a fucking joke"? He just got outplayed. Why EG doesnt require some professionalism of its players is a mystery to me.
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Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe...
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that line will be immortalized
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Naaaaniiiiwwwaaaaaaa <333
Grats Dignitas =D
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On March 14 2011 04:49 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra..... Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose.
Idra made the exact correct amount of corrupotrs Any less and he doens't kill those first 5 collosi.
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On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
Because if they don't, the P just makes pure colossus and owns. If IdrA didn't have ~20 corrupters, Nani would have replaced ~3 of his immortals with colossi and easily crushed IdrA's army. In fact, if IdrA had less corrupters, the 4 colossi would have survived and decimated IdrA's army even more easily. You simply need to have the corrupters to have a chance.
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Zerg is underpowered !! ./trollface
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This game is a fucking jokie? New meme is brewing!
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Maybe Axslav would've been a smarter choice.
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Nani won the game but idra took the real victory of the most BM between the two
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Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo
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DIGNITAS HWAITIN!!!!!!!!!!!
nAni new KingDignitas!
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dat bm 
series did not disappoint
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Idra everyone's favorite sore loser...
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grats to dignitas they were real consistent throughout the gcpl, I think they deserve the finals. Tough way to go out for idra, could see it coming though when that huge stalker ball was still left over after the corrupters took out the collosus.
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Yeah! naniwa has won  p xDxD.
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???
I thought the guys in Korea are a class above foreigners, guess thats not true in SC2 at all
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Grats to Dignitas, well played. Can't wait for the 3rd place and Finals, should be great games yet again.
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Shakuras Backdoor push claims yet another zerg
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sometimes I think idra just typos on purpose to add personalization to his awesomeness
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QQ from Idra
would agree that Corruptors are a joke though
On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
need to take Colossi down fast before they start becoming REALLY cost effective against Zerg and decimate the Zerg ground army
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On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra.....
They make so many corrupters to make sure only 3/4s of their roach hydra count dies while uselessly shuffling for 15 seconds in front of a forcefield wall.
Thats such poor play when P dont build a second wall to actually TRAP the ground units...
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why doesn't zerg ever make infestors? seems like they would shut down blinks stalkers very well.
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very well played nani
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Fuck. Yeah.
That was awesome.
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On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo
Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow.
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I find Idra's decision making regarding when to engage the toss in a fight is really weird.
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On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe...
He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss.
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I have to say i really feel IdrA's pain. Really don't know what he could have done differently to really counter that army. He is forced to make a bunch of corruptors that are pretty much useless after the collosi die.
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Why does Idra even think we should bother tuning in to these casts if he ridicules the game? It's just like after the Clash of the Titans, he says he didn't practice and that the game is a joke. Doesn't he realize people who enjoyed those games might have felt cheated knowing how he feels about it?
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If only corruption was as good as gravitron beam...
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Naniwa showed he's the more complete rts player.
GG and GJ .
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lol Idra whines after losing. Apparently there must be something wrong with the game if the almight Idra lose a game!
Go Dignitas!!
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Honestly, Idra can only blame himself for having 1700 minerals, 200 gas, and no drones on extractors at his 3rd and 4th
when he died he basically still had 1k floating, and bad rallys
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that position above the ramp is pretty sick.
tbh it's a horrible map design but what can you do gg
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idrA is such a whiny little kid sometimes. He seemed more mature lately, but alas.
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On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss.
60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves.
i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
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On March 14 2011 04:49 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra..... Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose. wp'd by nani grats dignitas.
It's really hard to hit that "correct" corrupter number. But sadly Idra went way to far there. That was probably around 20 hydras worth of useless corruptors.
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On March 14 2011 04:50 LemOn wrote:
???
I thought the guys in Korea are a class above foreigners, guess thats not true in SC2 at all
Yeah, unless you consider Ace, Moon and Squirtle ripping it up. 0.o
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On March 14 2011 04:50 LemOn wrote:
???
I thought the guys in Korea are a class above foreigners, guess thats not true in SC2 at all
yep, one bo3 to end everything. 
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On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss.
"played much better" maybe u think so after listening to bias commentary, but actually, that was not the case
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On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss.
Just fyi, idra has said nearly the exact same thing playing terran in broodwar a thousand times before. Don't think you should read too much into it.
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if he switched races months ago instead of qq he would be top form again already.
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Idra isn't just another player.
He makes watching tournaments interesting.
wp, nice games !
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Idra is a fucking joke, Zerg isnt imbalanced, Idra is just sucha looser. Other zergs are having success because they are "lucky" or because their opponent "suck" but wait when these "sucky" opponents ROFLstomp Idra they are just imbalanced.... what is wrong with this guy?
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You need the tier 3 tech so the corrupters are not uselss after the switch to immortals. Takes alot of time thou :/
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On March 14 2011 04:52 Bill Murray wrote:
Honestly, Idra can only blame himself for having 1700 minerals, 200 gas, and no drones on extractors at his 3rd and 4th
when he died he basically still had 1k floating, and bad rallys
Yeah, except that he lost hatches/queens so he couldnt actually spend the money due to having no larva, and even if he could have 1k worth of hydras or whatever wouldn't be enough to save him anyway.
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I really feel for Idra. Throughout the game I definitely thought that the protoss had a much easier time and that Idra was outplaying Naniwa. Despite that he still lost, due to the 200/200 death ball. Pretty fucking boring.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
yeah, so protoss should move out with 60 supply behind and a weaker army.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
There were way more stalkers than hydras towards the end. IdrA was gas blocked really badly. Not sure why he was missing those drones at the gas. I didn't see the whole game so there might be a valid reason for that though.
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On March 14 2011 04:50 Telcontar wrote:
Maybe Axslav would've been a smarter choice.
In a PvP vs Nani? I dunno man, outside of MC Nani's the one guy I'd actually bet on in a PvP
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Anyone else notice how Idra was really mineral high towards the end? It's because 2 expansions (the ones near the lower xel naga tower) both had gas geysers with extractors but Idra didn't put guys in the gas so he couldn't make the hydras he needed to.
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On a serious note: Protoss 3 base turtle into colossi stalker is the most common strat on that map. Zerg deals with it by :
a) basetrading (EG. machine vs Nani on SP)
b) researching drop (Moon vs Squirtle on SP).
c) lategame baneling bombs using (showmatch between Morrow and nani)
Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame.
Edit: Idra not putting worker on gas in his fourth and fifth base lost him the game. His second expansion was a dubious choice: it should have been elsewhere.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:49 blade55555 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra..... Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose. wp'd by nani grats dignitas. It's really hard to hit that "correct" corrupter number. But sadly Idra went way to far there. That was probably around 20 hydras worth of useless corruptors.
He cannot blindly predict how many colossi will be present when the engagement happens. If you go too light on the corrupters you will lose more often than when you go too heavy on the corrupters.
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On March 14 2011 04:53 Almtom wrote:
Idra is a fucking joke, Zerg isnt imbalanced, Idra is just sucha looser. Other zergs are having success because they are "lucky" or because their opponent "suck" but wait when these "sucky" opponents ROFLstomp Idra they are just imbalanced.... what is wrong with this guy?
Come on man, no need to bash the players.
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So Shakuras cross position is nowadays unrewarding for Zerg aswell...intresting...
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On March 14 2011 04:54 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 Telcontar wrote:
Maybe Axslav would've been a smarter choice. In a PvP vs Nani? I dunno man, outside of MC Nani's the one guy I'd actually bet on in a PvP
What about socke?
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On March 14 2011 04:51 Sneakyz wrote:
I find Idra's decision making regarding when to engage the toss in a fight is really weird.
what? he gave up a base to get some open field there. what else can he do? run away vs blink stalkers and then fight in the same situation (an open field) with even less units? now THAT'd be really weird ^^,
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On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
yea, even as a toss player that game was kind of depressing. i could see it coming from a mile away, but i did not want to believe it. wonder what the nani's upgrades were at though, that could be a reason why his stalkers simply wouldn't die.
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Despite being terran,I can really get the frustration Idra faced,I mean I thought he was one step ahead of naniwa the whole game, and u can't just NOT build corruptors or the toss will roflstomp u with colossi. I think Z has to start becoming more aggresive early game vs P, or he will get rolled over eventually.
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Idra said it himself, he just isnt practising enough because he doesnt like the state of the game atm, that mineral/gas difference wouldnt not have happened to him if he practised more, reguardless if P deathball is bit stronger, he could have had so many more hydras/roaches out for the last counter attack and just walked over nani
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Almtom, if you think that was a roflstomp you seriously need to take a step back and watch that game again, Idra was clearly ahead at almost every point, but once that backdoor shakuras push comes it is clearly hard for zerg to engage, and seeing that the fight takes place at his third, unless he trades armys, (which zerg almost never can trade an equal army with a protoss, only can trade for their high tech units) than its almost impossible to hold that third
it was a good game regardless, but we see why shakuras isnt in the ladder anymore
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At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
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The ramp @ his 3rd cost him the game...he was 50-60 food ahead there, but ramp + sentry/stalker/collosi is not attackable like that : /. maybe burrow under or drop, but both very risky and depend on enemys mistake.
Maybe he should have tried to conter...
Oh well, all of those " i kill rock and i am @ your base " maps stress zergs quite a bit...
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That looks exactly like how all my ZvP macro games go . Kill all the collosus in the first push, but he has enough gateways units to kill an expo and decent number of drones before i can reinforce enough to kill it, then everything goes downhill from there.
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On March 14 2011 04:53 Almtom wrote:
Idra is a fucking joke, Zerg isnt imbalanced, Idra is just sucha looser. Other zergs are having success because they are "lucky" or because their opponent "suck" but wait when these "sucky" opponents ROFLstomp Idra they are just imbalanced.... what is wrong with this guy?
Yeah sorry, I'm curious what zergs you are talking about?
Do you mean July? Because July has been all inning in the majority of his GSL games. But if you think zergs should all in to kepe up, ok...
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On March 14 2011 04:54 gullberg wrote:
I really feel for Idra. Throughout the game I definitely thought that the protoss had a much easier time and that Idra was outplaying Naniwa. Despite that he still lost, due to the 200/200 death ball. Pretty fucking boring.
How exactly did IdrA outplay naniwa? Can you point that part out to me?
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
He didnt attack till 200/200 v 200/200 though, he should have just bust the front when he had 65 food ahead while nanis army was all the way at his 3rd
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Oh man, if this shit happens versus Cruncher in the tsl3 I will cry.
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On March 14 2011 04:55 zyglrox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad. yea, even as a toss player that game was kind of depressing. i could see it coming from a mile away, but i did not want to believe it. wonder what the nani's upgrades were at though, that could be a reason why his stalkers simply wouldn't die.
i dont know how u couldve seen anything coming if u thought he was on one base.
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On March 14 2011 04:51 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow.
and what would go wrong? idra the macro god has enough larva to support a mass ling stream while the broods support and drive naniwa back and back until hes contained.
you could tell that naniwa was scared the whole match to go a macro game against idra thats why he confined himself in that 3 base pocket there. Idra smashed the colli play and then just kept getting played with. I think if idra wasn't such an emo prick he would have won seeing how naniwa was gona be dry in all his bases in a matter of minutes.
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On March 14 2011 04:54 Anomandaris wrote:
On a serious note: Protoss 3 base turtle into colossi stalker is the most common strat on that map. Zerg deals with it by :
a) basetrading (EG. machine vs Nani on SP)
b) researching drop (Moon vs Squirtle on SP).
c) lategame baneling bombs using (showmatch between Morrow and nani)
Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame.
Yes i also felt that Idra haven´t been keeping up with how the zerg players play vs the doomball nowadays. He had the chance for a base trade and still wanted to engage the deathball.
But the Idra rage. "This game is a fucking joke" is already legendary!
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
Yeah i forgot; The game is totally about who can macro to 200 quickly.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 zyglrox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:50 LemOn wrote:
???
I thought the guys in Korea are a class above foreigners, guess thats not true in SC2 at all yep, one bo3 to end everything.
I mean liquid lost in semifinals too, I am a BW guy, and this doesn't seem as what I am used to at all.
I was always watching GSL as the true global best player's tourney
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Crap, missed the ace match.. vods anywhere? :D
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
Indeed he had such a big advantage that i think if he had done a doom hydra drop like moon always does when he is ahead in supply or try baneling bombs to exchange armies , the result might be better than allowing protoss to turtle up and pick their fights.
I dunno. Everyone including IdrA already agrees that against the deathball, the normal way of playing doesnt work as we saw happened just now. Why not try some things that have worked in recent weeks.
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
I don't agree with you.
Idra was ahead in supply yes, but some of it was drones and the other point is that nani was able to keep his army together all the time. Idra had trouble rallying his troops together, often nani was able to kill the units as soon as they spawned. Well played by both players and a very close game.
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On March 14 2011 04:58 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 imareaver3 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow. and what would go wrong? idra the macro god has enough larva to support a mass ling stream while the broods support and drive naniwa back and back until hes contained. you could tell that naniwa was scared the whole match to go a macro game against idra thats why he confined himself in that 3 base pocket there. Idra smashed the colli play and then just kept getting played with. I think if idra wasn't such an emo prick he would have won seeing how naniwa was gona be dry in all his bases in a matter of minutes.
Naniwa was working on storm at the end there, i dont really think broods and lings could have done much.
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Considering nani's unit composition, I think IdrA would be much better of forcing no fights "from below". This would mean taking the 2 o'clock main instead of the natural for his 3rd base. Fighting that colossi/stalker ball would be much easier from above, i would suggest anyway.
my 2 cents.
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
he played faster and better on the macro base, but he isn't catching up to what we see other Zerg do.
Because as he says, their play is bad and their high named opponents are even worse.
hydra drops? hell, even Mutas instead of corrupters could've done something, nothing protected the mineral lines.
and he should've seen that push coming, it was surrounded by overlords when the rocks were still up. engage at large top main instead of at the bottom of that ramp? No way!
his timing and game sense just wasn't up today, i think he should've been able to take down game one easily, but waited too long for P to make some units.
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
A 65 supply difference in useless corrupters isn't any kind of advantage.
Nani played it correctly, keep one robo collosus production up until it was apparent that Idra wouldn't stop making corrupters, and then transition into immo + storm.
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Poor Idra. If he really hasn't been playing lately i wonder what he has been doing.
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if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting
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IdrA tunnel visions so fucking hard that it's detrimental. He's always going for the 200 food steamroll, but it doesn't work vs 3 base turtle.
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On March 14 2011 04:56 Teejing wrote:
The ramp @ his 3rd cost him the game...he was 50-60 food ahead there, but ramp + sentry/stalker/collosi is not attackable like that : /. maybe burrow under or drop, but both very risky and depend on enemys mistake.
Yep that's pretty much where Idra lost the game. He really should have had his army positioned up there near the top right expansion in preparation for what I think most people saw was coming. If Nani decides to attack through the middle there's enough time for Idra to move his army back down. There's very little reasoning behind him poking at the front like that.
Even after that though, If Idra didn't try to push into naniwa's base and sacrifice about 15 hydras and regrouped, he had a much better chance of fighting off Naniwa's stalker/immortal army.
Those 2 mistakes cost him the game I think.
edit: yay TT1 thinks so too.
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It was obvious that Idra outplayed Nani but that it was just the most horrible imb game ever. The map was imba, the positions was imba, every unit was imba, the strat Nani used was imba.
Imba imba imba imba because thats the only way to beat the SC2 legend Idra who never ever makes a singel misstake and if zerg only was not under powered he would rule sC2.
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That last game was really hard to watch. Complete bullshit how nani could just attack idras 3rd from above the ramp and just constantly forcefield the ramp. Zerg has nothing to counter that shit.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
Hydras -do- beat the crap out of stalkers, but not three groups of 15 hydras at a time against one group of 35 stalkers. All you achieve then is hurting their shields and not actually doing any lasting damage. Zerg always seems to need a number above that critical mass to deal with the army presented to them, or lose hard without having actually done much damage. As evidence to support this, look at banelings VS marines, or mutalisks zerglings or hydras vs anything. If you've got three less banelings, it changes from you eradicating his entire squad of marines to you killing six marines and getting rolled by the remainder.
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On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.
Its not that they're good, its just that hydras are the best option. It really is a shame. Nani (who played well, don't get me wrong) just made a shit load of collusus, then when they died (cause Idra was forced to use his vastly economy on corrupters), he just made stalkers and idra's economic lead was essentially wasted cause it was in corrupters. It feels like an impossible situation for zerg.
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Wow guys you can't just look at the supply differential in a PvZ and then draw silly conclusions solely from that.. I mean, really, you do understand that right?
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To everyone saying that Idra should have base traded when naniwa's army was out of position, what the fuck does he do after he wipes out naniwas base? Naniwas army will win in a head to head fight, base trading is hardly viably against protoss deathball.
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reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about
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Idra plays the same way every game. He must take action and become July and all in... he would dominate!
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![[image loading]](http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6509/jokie.jpg)
in case you wonder
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On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe...
Very recently actually. On SotG he mentioned how he should have won at IEM against Squirtle but played badly.
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On March 14 2011 05:00 CheeseGrater wrote:
That last game was really hard to watch. Complete bullshit how nani could just attack idras 3rd from above the ramp and just constantly forcefield the ramp. Zerg has nothing to counter that shit.
Bust the front, lings will wreck nanis economy before he can do anything,
Drop like moon does achieving the same thing
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On March 14 2011 04:58 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period. Yeah i forgot; The game is totally about who can macro to 200 quickly.
to catch on to your sarcasm:
Rightieright. This game would be so much better if there would be some sort of possibility to turtle like a madman until you are actually strong enough to move out. And really narrow choke points to defend and sometimes poke out until you reach that point in the game!
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On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting
Agreed 100%
He should have been watching the rocks on both sides once he saw the full wall and been ready to contest the 1 oclock rock ramp instead of letting Nani get position
I question his level of practice / what kind of shape he is in these days. I also kinda wonder if it's only going to get worse now that he's leaving Korea and won't even have ladder
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IdrA had bad army control at points, he threw away a couple of units every engagement and he also didn't use his corruptors enough. There kept being colossi rallied to the ramp of IdrA's third, yet he didn't go on any sniping missions with his units. He could also have spared a couple of hydralisks to attack the protoss' natural earlier. He also didn't saturate his bases/geysers enough, and if he wouldn't have had enough larva to spend on units, he should have prepared and built an extra hatch.
Just in general, and this is more baseless speculation than anything, but it feels like IdrA is playing half with the intent of showing something is imbalanced. He would keep throwing units at a protoss ball and then declare: this game is a joke, protoss death ball can't be killed - when he should have just stayed clear of the colossi. :/
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On March 14 2011 04:54 Anomandaris wrote:Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame.
Exactly. Naniwa punished a greedy zerg who reaches 200 first without harrassing or dropping or trying aggressive play.. and then ppl say Idra played better? Very strange.
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am I the only one who thinks expanding towards the top as third and not the "pocket natural" is...not just a little mistake... to be not that harash?
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On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about
agreed
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I play with my cousin and he uses nydus worm hella scary to harass and evac. Just wonder when zerg will ever use it to harass protoss instead of sitting on bunches of money
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idra didn't outplay nani.
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On March 14 2011 05:00 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad. Hydras -do- beat the crap out of stalkers, but not three groups of 15 hydras at a time against one group of 35 stalkers. All you achieve then is hurting their shields and not actually doing any lasting damage. Zerg always seems to need a number above that critical mass to deal with the army presented to them, or lose hard without having actually done much damage. As evidence to support this, look at banelings VS marines, or mutalisks zerglings or hydras vs anything. If you've got three less banelings, it changes from you eradicating his entire squad of marines to you killing six marines and getting rolled by the remainder.
This is a myth honestly. Stalkers vs Hydras is very even in terms of cost and supply. People for some reason think that Hydras roflown gateway units when they honestly don't. They need to be on creep to face zealots as well. What owns gateway units, is Hydra DPS, protected by ling/roach tanking.
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On March 14 2011 05:03 TooN wrote:
idra didn't outplay nani.
I would say he outplayed him macro wise, but he always does some really weird decisions costing him the game.
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On March 14 2011 04:59 TheBrofessor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:58 sermokala wrote:On March 14 2011 04:51 imareaver3 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow. and what would go wrong? idra the macro god has enough larva to support a mass ling stream while the broods support and drive naniwa back and back until hes contained. you could tell that naniwa was scared the whole match to go a macro game against idra thats why he confined himself in that 3 base pocket there. Idra smashed the colli play and then just kept getting played with. I think if idra wasn't such an emo prick he would have won seeing how naniwa was gona be dry in all his bases in a matter of minutes. Naniwa was working on storm at the end there, i dont really think broods and lings could have done much.
yeah storms would have been the death nail but when naniwa stopped useing colissi and was pure stalker/immo would have bought idra the time to stablize and use his macro advantage.
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On March 14 2011 04:54 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:52 flodeskum wrote:On March 14 2011 04:49 blade55555 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra..... Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose. wp'd by nani grats dignitas. It's really hard to hit that "correct" corrupter number. But sadly Idra went way to far there. That was probably around 20 hydras worth of useless corruptors. He cannot blindly predict how many colossi will be present when the engagement happens. If you go too light on the corrupters you will lose more often than when you go too heavy on the corrupters.
I know, hence the "it's really hard" part. I know I can never get the number right in my zvp
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On March 14 2011 05:02 charlieso wrote:in case you wonder
He did say jokie, so that wasn't so bad. 
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I have to admit, It's pretty lame that zerg isn't rewarded for being 2 bases ahead of their opponent. I know zerg units are supposed to be "disposable", but that game just seemed a little too silly.
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well, he just sat on the bases. he let naniwa dictate all the battles.
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Idra might of outplayed nani in aspects of the game but not the whole game.
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If Idra had an overlord on that top passage and had time to get his army above the ramp before Naniwa got his up there, he'd have won.
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On March 14 2011 05:02 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting Agreed 100% He should have been watching the rocks on both sides once he saw the full wall and been ready to contest the 1 oclock rock ramp instead of letting Nani get position I question his level of practice / what kind of shape he is in these days. I also kinda wonder if it's only going to get worse now that he's leaving Korea and won't even have ladder
plz dont make any excuses for him, he played pretty solid as usual but mistakes like that have nothing to do with gameplay, it was just an amateur scouting mistake
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On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting
I agree with this. I was thinking all the time that he should've positioned himself with a good arch in the 1oclock main when he was still ahead in food.
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On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about
And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
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On March 14 2011 05:07 APurpleCow wrote:
If Idra had an overlord on that top passage and had time to get his army above the ramp before Naniwa got his up there, he'd have won.
I think he saw the protoss army taking down the rocks. He sent an overlord when the rocks were at 50% health, prolly saw it going down and backed it up. Problem was that he decided to stay on his expo isntead of going up the ramp.
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On March 14 2011 05:07 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:02 floor exercise wrote:On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting Agreed 100% He should have been watching the rocks on both sides once he saw the full wall and been ready to contest the 1 oclock rock ramp instead of letting Nani get position I question his level of practice / what kind of shape he is in these days. I also kinda wonder if it's only going to get worse now that he's leaving Korea and won't even have ladder plz dont make any excuses for him, he played pretty solid as usual but mistakes like that have nothing to do with gameplay, it was just an amateur scouting mistake
Are we supposed to just accept your opinion on it instead? You haven't exactly established yourself as some impartial, respected observer in the past. Indeed, given your past there's very little reason for any such respect
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On March 14 2011 05:05 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:54 SiguR wrote:On March 14 2011 04:52 flodeskum wrote:On March 14 2011 04:49 blade55555 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why do zergs make soooo many useless corrupters is they see a few colossi? I'm getting worried for Idra..... Because if you don't then you get fucked up by colossi. You either make too much just so you have a chance, or make too few and you instant lose. wp'd by nani grats dignitas. It's really hard to hit that "correct" corrupter number. But sadly Idra went way to far there. That was probably around 20 hydras worth of useless corruptors. He cannot blindly predict how many colossi will be present when the engagement happens. If you go too light on the corrupters you will lose more often than when you go too heavy on the corrupters. I know, hence the "it's really hard" part. I know I can never get the number right in my zvp
Sorry, I was responding to the original quote from N3rV, I shouldnt have included the other quotes. I agree with what you were saying
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On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
must be trollin :p
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From what I saw IdrA didn't have Ovies or Zerglings positioned at the tunnels and taking Meta-game vs Zerg into consideration it should be essential for Zerg to have a permanent scout at those rocks/tunnels at all times after taking a 3rd.
He also didn't take the gases at the two bottom bases he took from what I saw causing him to not be able to crank out enough Hydra or change his Corruptors into Broodlords.
He also made WAY too many Corruptors for how many Collossi there were IMO.
Those are just my criticisms as an amateur as to why he lost so.
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On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
This is a pretty poor troll attempt, that or you live under a rock.
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On March 14 2011 05:02 dizzy101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:54 Anomandaris wrote:Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame. Exactly. Naniwa punished a greedy zerg who reaches 200 first without harrassing or dropping or trying aggressive play.. and then ppl say Idra played better? Very strange.
oh so now zerg turns into the aggressive race instead of the macro race, great.
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He tried to get his units to the top right base when he saw nani's units coming, but was not fast enough.
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
I didn't realize that SC2 declared a better player by a race to 200/200. You know you actually have to eliminate the other persons army right? Naniwa clearly took a slow and steady approach and poked and prodded when he needed to and beat Idra.
There is no doubt Idra is a good player but he either needs to quit the game or stop bitching and moaning and play the game you're given. Every win of his is "SUPERIOR PLAY" while all of his losses are "IMBA IMBA IMBA I HATE THIS GAME" Get's so old...
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At first glance, I sympathized with idra, but yeah... a 200/200 zerg army isn't anything next to a 200/200 protoss army. If you ever look at the army tab, protoss will almost always have twice the minerals of gas into their army. Idra's style would work if he were a protoss, but he most certainly didn't utilize newer strategies to deal with the collosus immobility.
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On March 14 2011 05:09 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:02 dizzy101 wrote:On March 14 2011 04:54 Anomandaris wrote:Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame. Exactly. Naniwa punished a greedy zerg who reaches 200 first without harrassing or dropping or trying aggressive play.. and then ppl say Idra played better? Very strange. oh so now zerg turns into the aggressive race instead of the macro race, great.
Do you always look at things this black and white? There is an in-between...
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On March 14 2011 05:09 Raiznhell wrote:
From what I saw IdrA didn't have Ovies or Zerglings positioned at the tunnels and taking Meta-game vs Zerg into consideration it should be essential for Zerg to have a permanent scout at those rocks/tunnels at all times after taking a 3rd.
He also didn't take the gases at the two bottom bases he took from what I saw causing him to not be able to crank out enough Hydra or change his Corruptors into Broodlords.
He also made WAY too many Corruptors for how many Collossi there were IMO.
Those are just my criticisms as an amateur as to why he lost so.
idra smashed those colossi thats why naniwa had to transition to immo's to survive until he could get storm
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On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
i dont want to argue with anyone about whats wrong and right etc, but Ofcourse its easier to max out on roaches when i invest in only gas heavy units... -_-
probably stupid of me to even post this.. but whatever .
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On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense
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Hrrrrrrm, what is more old, is that no zergs are winning without all-ining every game. It's either banelings, base trade, or drops (which is base trade anyway).
The sad part is people are ACCEPTING this. They say it's the new "metagame". It's not how this game was designed to be played...
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Is there a link to the VODs? I don't see it anywhere in the OP.
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On March 14 2011 05:12 Naniwa wrote:On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote: At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period. i dont want to argue with anyone about whats wrong and right etc, but Ofcourse its easier to max out on roaches when i invest in only gas heavy units... -_- probably stupid of me to even post this.. but whatever .
happy birthday !!
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I'm pretty sure IdrA saw naniwa coming into the 1 o'clock main through the rocks, he definitely saw the expansion and certainly expected him to attack through that path.
I don't think he had (enough or any) corruptors to defend at the 1 oclock main.. The 9-range of the collossi with nothing for IdrA to take them down would have pretty much lost him the game right there.
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On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting
It was definately a huge hit but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all.
Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have.
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congratulations naniwa You did play amazingly well how you managed to survive there with nothing but stalkers and 3-4 immos at a time is inspirational.
EDIT: Oh yeah thats why naniwa won it was his birthday :p
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On March 14 2011 05:10 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period. I didn't realize that SC2 declared a better player by a race to 200/200. You know you actually have to eliminate the other persons army right? Naniwa clearly took a slow and steady approach and poked and prodded when he needed to and beat Idra. There is no doubt Idra is a good player but he either needs to quit the game or stop bitching and moaning and play the game you're given. Every win of his is "SUPERIOR PLAY" while all of his losses are "IMBA IMBA IMBA I HATE THIS GAME" Get's so old...
Agreed if Idra was up that much and Naniwa managed to somehow pull out on top, Naniwa definitely was doing something right.
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On March 14 2011 05:04 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:00 Staboteur wrote:On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe... He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss. 60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves. i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad. Hydras -do- beat the crap out of stalkers, but not three groups of 15 hydras at a time against one group of 35 stalkers. All you achieve then is hurting their shields and not actually doing any lasting damage. Zerg always seems to need a number above that critical mass to deal with the army presented to them, or lose hard without having actually done much damage. As evidence to support this, look at banelings VS marines, or mutalisks zerglings or hydras vs anything. If you've got three less banelings, it changes from you eradicating his entire squad of marines to you killing six marines and getting rolled by the remainder. This is a myth honestly. Stalkers vs Hydras is very even in terms of cost and supply. People for some reason think that Hydras roflown gateway units when they honestly don't. They need to be on creep to face zealots as well. What owns gateway units, is Hydra DPS, protected by ling/roach tanking.
They're the go-to Zerg response to mass gateway. Sure, you can't make just Hydras, but that's true of any "Counter". Colossus beat the shit out of most zerg ground, but they too need things in front that make them much harder to kill.
My point was that IdrA didn't struggle there because Hydras aren't to gateway balls as colossus are to Zerg ground, but because his engagements with them were poorly orchestrated and inefficiently used. Whether or not he had any other options is a whole different story, but the dude I quoted saying "WELL HYDRAS DONT COUNTER GATEWAYS GG" seemed about as fair a statement as Colossus not countering Zerg ground if you attempt to use them alone, scattered from each other, and at melee range.
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On March 14 2011 05:14 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting It was definately a huge it but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all. Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have.
u cant have a high hydra count when u have 15 idol corruptors sitting around because u dont have the eco to brood tech, after z whipes out the collo count p is obv gonna switch to ground and idra didnt have enought eco to defend the switch
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On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense
Well that might be true, but it's still a open forum.
If you dont like the obvious noob post. Then why watch at the thread?
no disrespect but even tho your a good player. Doesnt mean you get to say crap to ppl trying to learn from the COMMUNITY site Teamliquid
. its pretty easy just to ignore the posts which make no sense, and read those which you would want to read. But nvm your a good player. I havent said anything else.
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I'm just wonder why Zergs don't just race for Broodlords after getting up a lot of bases as having both Broodlords and a few Corruptors along with your Roach/Hydra seems a lot stronger than 50 Corruptors and a handful of roaches.
I'm just picturing it but wouldn't the Broodlings distract his units and Collossi enough to allow your units to get close which is the main problem, also the FFs but the Broodlords superior range would still allow you to damage his ground army from beyond the FFs and stalkers wouldn't be able to get close because of your ground forces?
I don't exactly know the investment required to mix in some Broodlords but seems like most Zerg have 4 bases incredibly fast anyways.
Regardless I still think him not taking the gases at his other expansions was the reason for losing.
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i can kind of see where idrA was coming from. even with that many corruptors nearly all of his ground army were killed by collosus too fast, rendering those corruptors useless, but the corruptors were needed or the collosus would not have died. it's hard and it sucks.
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On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense
Sorry I'm just plat bro! Sorry for at least trying to make sense of the game! Better that everyone sub-3800 masters just stfu and not even think, and just wait for dem proz to tell us how the game goes, right?
Right.
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On March 14 2011 05:16 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:14 ratMortar wrote:On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting It was definately a huge it but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all. Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have. u cant have a high hydra count when u have 15 idol corruptors sitting around because u dont have the eco to brood tech, after z whipes out the collo count p is obv gonna switch to ground and idra didnt have enought eco to defend the switch
He had the minerals but no gas. That's why I really want to know if those bottom expansions had drones on gysers, if they were, you'd be absolutely right about the 1 o'clock being essential, if they weren't then it was another mistake altogether that cost IdrA the game. It's not very clear in the replay, I just want to be sure.
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On March 14 2011 05:20 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:16 TT1 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:14 ratMortar wrote:On March 14 2011 05:00 TT1 wrote:
if idra positioned his units inside the 1olock main(in the early game when he loss the 1oclock nat) to intercept naniwa's units instead of letting him walk inside the base uncontested then he would have won(even if they would have never engaged) because naniwa would have been sitting on a shitty unit compo and idra would have had a sick eco to tech to broodlords after the big 200 vs 200 engagement while remaxing his ground army
losing that 1oclock cost him the game and it was something he could have easily avoided with better scouting It was definately a huge it but I don't know if that's what cost him the game. Nani's last push with Stalker/Immortal would have been stopped if IdrA's Hydra count was higher. While you can factor in the loss of the 1 o'clock base, I saw someone mention that the exposed expansions on the bottom weren't mining gas at all. Naniwa wasn't producing any Colossus at that point so it should have at least bought IdrA time that Nani didn't have. u cant have a high hydra count when u have 15 idol corruptors sitting around because u dont have the eco to brood tech, after z whipes out the collo count p is obv gonna switch to ground and idra didnt have enought eco to defend the switch He had the minerals but no gas. That's why I really want to knowe if those bottom expansions were mining gas, if they were, you'd be absolutely right about the 1 o'clock beingg essential, if they weren't then it was another mistake altogether that cost IdrA the game. It's not very clear in the replay, I just want to be sure.
They wern't mining Gretorp commented on that. He was only mining minerals from what I saw and heard.
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On March 14 2011 05:17 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you if i didnt have knowledge about something i surely wouldnt make a bullshit post just for the sake of posting something, the reason why this site has become so disgusting is because u have to filter throught 50 retarded posts just to find 1 that makes any sense Well that might be true, but it's still a open forum. If you dont like the obvious noob post. Then why watch at the thread? no disrespect but even tho your a good player. Doesnt mean you get to say crap to ppl trying to learn from the COMMUNITY site Teamliquid . its pretty easy just to ignore the posts which make no sense, and read those which you would want to read. But nvm your a good player. I havent said anything else.
actually apart from that post there was only 1 other time that i brought this point up, ive been trying to hold it in but there comes a time where enought is enought : D, i know that tl needs the traffic but the gamers need an arena where they can talk aswell.. this site wasnt built just for the fans bro ^^
forget about posting on the forums, most of the gamers dont even like browsing tl anymore because of all the negatively.. u might see it as an elitists attitude which i really dont care about and im obviously generalizing but a huge majority of the new sc2 members shat on this site
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There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
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Nani outplayed him in every sense of the word, nothing surprising since he is a very good Toss in EU, bad reputation or not, he is a great player.
Idra is reverting more and more back to his BW days, he seems stuck and makes too many bad decisions despite his great macro.
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hell of way to end that series loved every moment of it
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On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD.
You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
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I'm getting a little worried for idra, hes said that he doesn't practice because he feels the game is so imbalanced, and now every game he loses he seems to blame on imbalance. There may be some balance issues, but nearly to point that idra blames all his games for it. Every time he complains it probably makes him more frustrated, and thus he plays less and gets worse, and more frustrated. Hopefully he keeps it together.
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On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
Don't change his words. IdrA shows lots of respect to players that are good. MVP and MC are players he's constantly spoken highly of. He said Ace was a really underrated player from the GSL when IEM was just starting... But when he bashes player like Choya, Hongun and Rain people assume he just BMs everyone.
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On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.
Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...
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funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
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On March 14 2011 05:03 Influ wrote:
am I the only one who thinks expanding towards the top as third and not the "pocket natural" is...not just a little mistake... to be not that harash?
I think expanding there and not bothering to watch the rocks at all was the mistake. An expansion there is doable, but taking the pocket third or the destro rocks third is always preferable IMO.
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I have to admit that Nanis PvZ is one of the best outside of Korea. He plays so solid and he doesn´t make many mistakes. For instance Nani whopped Morrows ass last week 4-2 in a showmatch.
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If Idra couldn't have engaged in the 1 o'clock main, at the very least he should have just sacced that expo and expanded somewhere else, losing only hatchery+extractors. Instead he threw away tons of units trying to go up the ramp, only to sac it later anyway.
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I don't think it's true that he doesn't practice. While it's clear he pretty much stopped to practice around when the Clash of the Titans showmatch was played, he said he practiced a lot for the IEM finals. I'm sure traveling from Korea and the time difference messed up his practice schedule, but he still managed to play probably 40 NA ladder games in the last 2 days going from 2900 to 3700 masters with a w/l record probably around 35-5.
Regardless, it seems obvious that he isn't in the best mind to play these days, he isn't happy with the game and particularly ZvP.
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On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...
Do you feel the same way about Ret?
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Thank you, kindly, sir or ma'am.
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On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what?
btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated.
Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken... Do you feel the same way about Ret?
When does Ret disrespect his opponents, refuse to gg, etc.?
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken... Do you feel the same way about Ret?
Ret doesn't make excuses when he loses and doesn't bad mouth his opponents like Idra does. Ret is frustrated with the balance but he doesn't use it as a crutch to lean on when he loses.
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every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
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On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
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On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
I think IdrA gets called out for it because he brings it into the public eye on streams and such and on SotG. He was called out for it in BW too for the same reasons however I don't think it was this bad because his fame has quadrupled because of SC2.
However IdrA should be reviewing that replay I think it's definitely a game he could have won.
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He saw the rocks being broken down (overlord spotted it just in time), but he didn't have enough of an army to contest naniwa at that point. So his next best option was to position his army around the lowground choke to try and hold off nani's army.
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the problem is, people like idra complain about zerg to absolutely no end which has a detrimental impact on the community because people start tossing around his opinions as justification in their argument like "oh see even this top level zerg said so, therefore you're wrong" when 90% of the time when it's really their own lack of skill/understanding of the game that they should be reflecting over.
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On March 14 2011 05:36 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what? btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated. Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me
That's exactly what happened, some sweetpies though said that Idra started sucking and now that he "just whines" he doesnt scout, so.
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On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
This is not a value judgment regarding IdrA's behavior; but, when has he ever "respected" anyone who isn't considered some sort of a RTS demigod (i.e. Flash, JD, etc)? I remember Artosis saying that IdrA thinks Fantasy is a "noob" - and Fantasy is probably one of the top 10-15 BW players of all time. Guy trashed Zergbong before he started to play more "solidly." So for someone with such extreme (and perhaps haughty) opinions, wouldn't it be natural for him to think even less of the foreign scene, at least at the moment?
In my opinion, "respect" is something that's earned through years of competition, not just a few months of good results. Nor should "respect" be lost just because some guy has a bad losing streak for a while. It seems like our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter nowadays, where a couple of tournaments would have people deciding on who's "better." If BW taught us anything, it's that this kind of shit just doesn't work that way. All I'm saying is that it goes both ways: complaining about imbalance this early in the game might not be very productive, but asking for IdrA to change his general opinion about the game and certain players this early probably isn't feasible either.
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On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
Ironic isnt it
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On March 14 2011 05:43 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late. He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top
Yep you're right, I thought the overlord sitting near the minerals up top was moved directly there, but you do catch a glance of it checking the rocks then moving over, my bad.
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He had two overlords there, he even moved one away to avoid him getting killed.
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On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next
Haha Tyler,
Your making the gracken angry. You won't like him when he is angry!
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On March 14 2011 05:50 GobIin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you Ironic isnt it
u should look up TT1XD
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On March 14 2011 05:53 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above. European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.
Exactly. It does a disservice to the game as well as himself when he voices such complaints in the semi-finals of a high profile tournament. It's incredibly disrespectful to the organizers and the sponsors and it honestly surprises me EG doesn't have some sort of rule to disqualify him from the next match if he isn't on good behavior or apologizes.
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On March 14 2011 05:49 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:36 TazzDingo wrote:On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what? btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated. Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me That's exactly what happened, some sweetpies though said that Idra started sucking and now that he "just whines" he doesnt scout, so.
well I'm no zerg expert at all.... but in IdrA's position I would never think about going up that 1 o'clock base unless I'm 100% sure I'd win an open fight there without risking to lose the majority of my army to good force fields and then losing my 3rd afterwards anyway. Just wanted to hear what other/better players think about that.
As we now know, Idra was well aware of that push and he decided not to wait at the 1 o'clock base.
A possibility imo would've been not cancelling the counter-roach attack but that one colossus that popped out at the right moment could've killed all of them before they could get into the base anyway I guess.
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next
Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
User was banned for this post.
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On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
Did you make an account just to troll this thread?
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On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
Its funny how 3 words can make you so mad
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On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
10 posts whining for a VLC link and now a bash on Tyler and Protoss.
Good start friend.
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Hopefully idra changes and allins or cheeses to win TSL.
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On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread?
Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done?
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Idra played SOO bad lol kid just sits back and lets Nani get 200/200 then complains when he loses??
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
He needs to pay July or Moon for some zerg lessons. Seriously, how can ANYONE listen to Idra's balance "concerns" after theres zergs who are playing how the race is meant to be played, and putting up great results?? Idra is playing beta still, hasnt adapted at all.
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On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Idra played SOO bad lol kid just sits back and lets Nani get 200/200 then complains when he loses??
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
He needs to pay July or Moon for some zerg lessons. Seriously, how can ANYONE listen to Idra's balance "concerns" after theres zergs who are playing how the race is meant to be played, and putting up great results?? Idra is playing beta still, hasnt adapted at all.
So why dont you show the world how its done instead of talkin about how july plays zerg? Which is one person.
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On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out.
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I didn't get to see the first two games due to my alarm not going off but from what I did see of the 3rd, it did look like Idra got simply outplayed. I'm sorry Idra fans but today wasn't his best.
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On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
wtf? 
a common case of how the hell did you get that out of that.
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On March 14 2011 06:10 BigBoy22 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread? Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done?
see wat i mean
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On March 14 2011 06:15 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:10 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread? Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done? see wat i mean
:D just thought "oh boy, TT1 was totally right..."
now respond to my post before this one! I want to see it how you see it
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On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go?
LOL he was joking!! Tyler and IdrA are budds. Chill out dude WOW.
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On March 14 2011 06:17 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:15 TT1 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:10 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread? Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done? see wat i mean :D just thought "oh boy, TT1 was totally right..." now respond to my post before this one! I want to see it how you see it
IdrA is better than everyone commenting, yet people talk about how he did not do this and that. and theory this and theory that. Bottom line is protoss is too strong vs zerg and terran right now.
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On March 14 2011 06:10 BigBoy22 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread? Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done?
seriously do you put any thought into your comments?
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On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out.
He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel.
The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game..
and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win?
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On March 14 2011 06:20 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:12 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Idra played SOO bad lol kid just sits back and lets Nani get 200/200 then complains when he loses??
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
He needs to pay July or Moon for some zerg lessons. Seriously, how can ANYONE listen to Idra's balance "concerns" after theres zergs who are playing how the race is meant to be played, and putting up great results?? Idra is playing beta still, hasnt adapted at all. So why dont you show the world how its done instead of talkin about how july plays zerg? Which is one person. Dude, why don't you play the game and get decent before you whine about zerg. Idra's rage is barely tolerated because he is a pro and longtime member. You on the other hand, are not. Idra has gotten two day bans for raging, and he's idra. You have 16 posts. This is a friendly warning. Tread carefully with balance discussions. You have yet to say anything constructive, presented no evidence, and come up with no ideas. I'm not going to argue it, because things like this go nowhere, but seriously, TL mods don't like this kind of thing.
ID- stormtemplar. enough said.
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When Naniwa began to snipe Idra's third the supplies were 110 against 170.
Everyone who understands the game should /facepalm seeing how easily protoss can be ukillable. The natural is safe thanks to the wall, the army is shooting and is invincible thanks to forcefields. The only way zerg could have cleaned this attack is by having randomly built a nydus network then made a way out at the top right corner (or is it ?)
And didn't we sene him moving an overlord to check the rocks hp? I think he was aware of that,
It's not about Idra "making excuses" or just bitching around, it is about a player who has more game knowledge than any of us calling for justice after a game he should have won.
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On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win?
Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right.
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I think it is really funny that the majority of people claiming he had the ability to do something about that don't even play Zerg. Yes, he can be BM at times----but it is due to shear frustration, and that is easy to see.
He is correct though, and pointing to one or two Zergs who have found a small measure of success against it(and by either an all in or two base push) means absolutely nothing. Hilariously the people saying this always believe the onus should be on the Zerg, when if the roles were reversed they'd have an aneurysm.
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On March 14 2011 06:15 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:10 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On March 14 2011 06:06 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next Dont know why tyler is talking, IdrA is way better than you and you play protoss which is obviously currently the most powerful race in the game. Why dont you try playing zerg and see how far you go? Did you make an account just to troll this thread? Well it's true, all you experts why dont you go show IdrA how its done instead of all this theory craft bs ? As a zerg its very very hard to beat a toss high level, so why dont you guys show us? Tyler keeps talking thinking hes amazing, so why doesnt he play zerg and show us how its done? see wat i mean
Yes I do...very clearly. TT1 you're right. -_-' Some people, just need to chill (lol chill and Tyler). Outside of professional players there are few who have any ground to stand on as far as criticizing players like IdrA, Naniwa or Tyler. They're all gosu compared to us forum dwellers (the truth hurts), and they know what they're doing. Can we please as people act like adults and be mature please, this is not highschool.
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On March 14 2011 06:23 Gowa wrote:
When Naniwa began to snipe Idra's third the supplies were 110 against 170.
Everyone who understands the game should /facepalm seeing how easily protoss can be ukillable. The natural is safe thanks to the wall, the army is shooting and is invincible thanks to forcefields. The only way zerg could have cleaned this attack is by having randomly built a nydus network then made a way out at the top right corner (or is it ?)
And didn't we sene him moving an overlord to check the rocks hp? I think he was aware of that,
It's not about Idra "making excuses" or just bitching around, it is about a player who has more game knowledge than any of us calling for justice after a game he should have won.
Thank you. Completely agree
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On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel.
I don't think he had lair actually.
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Idra didn't play that well, plain and simple. He made a lot of unit control mistakes, he threw away how many at the ramp? His idea to defend that expo from the low ground was terrible, especially since Nani had Colossus with the extended thermal lance. Either attack him on the high ground when you noticed he was breaking down the rocks and hope your superior macro pumps another wave out during the battle to help win it, or sac the expo and don't lose your units while doing no damage.
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On March 14 2011 06:24 FighterHayabusa wrote:
I think it is really funny that the majority of people claiming he had the ability to do something about that don't even play Zerg. Yes, he can be BM at times----but it is due to shear frustration, and that is easy to see.
He is correct though, and pointing to one or two Zergs who have found a small measure of success against it(and by either an all in or two base push) means absolutely nothing. Hilariously the people saying this always believe the onus should be on the Zerg, when if the roles were reversed they'd have an aneurysm.
Exactly what i'm saying.
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On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win?
Idra didn't even have his lair started & Nani had 1k more minerals mined when the game ended. Gretorp shows the game stats in the vod after the game is over, and you can see that Nani had a higher resource collection rate than Idra over the majority of the game since he cut drones for his pressure. I'm not sure why you think Idra had map control when he clearly could not keep any units out on the map with the voidray around.
Idra was behind in economy and, to me, had no map control. Idra would need to get his economy up, and then get hydras before he could have any presence on the map, and Nani was free to do whatever he wanted. Idra definitely looked behind to me.
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Idra made plenty of mistakes, he simply did not see that rock being dpsed down fast enough, had he seen that in good time, he would have stragically placed his army on the ramp and done to Nani what Nani ended up doing to him
His other major mistake was simply throwing units at that ramp, when no single pro Zerg in the world would have done that, they would sac their hatch there and backed off.
The idea that he played "better" is wrong, Nani barely made any mistakes and made sure not to go down that ramp where Idra would get the concave and kill him. He was smart, he was good.
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Idra expanded next to naniwa's main, so naniwa had access to his expansion through the rocks.
he could have expanded in the main base at 1 o'clock instead of the natural, so he could have his army positioned next to the rocks, much better position, denying any pressure from naniwa and at the same time pressuring him on both sides(front and backdoor).
another option would be to expand in a safe place with no rock access to his base, like 6 and 7 o'clock.
after killing the Colossi, he threw away so much units, when he could retreat, get more ground units and stay "healthy".
he didn't need to throw away his 1 clock expansion too, like he did... could have delayed naniwa's attack to expo all over the map.
Idra just had a bad day...
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IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
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On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2
Lol wut?
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On March 14 2011 06:23 Gowa wrote:
When Naniwa began to snipe Idra's third the supplies were 110 against 170.
Everyone who understands the game should /facepalm seeing how easily protoss can be ukillable. The natural is safe thanks to the wall, the army is shooting and is invincible thanks to forcefields. The only way zerg could have cleaned this attack is by having randomly built a nydus network then made a way out at the top right corner (or is it ?)
And didn't we sene him moving an overlord to check the rocks hp? I think he was aware of that,
It's not about Idra "making excuses" or just bitching around, it is about a player who has more game knowledge than any of us calling for justice after a game he should have won.
everyone who understands the game knows that zerg is supposed to have more supply, if they build roaches.
150/50 in Roaches -> 4 supply
125/50 in Stalker -> 2 supply
Stop pointing at supply in ZvP, that doesn't show anything.
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Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7.
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I agree the decisive moment was toss got up in the 1 o clock main. Idra scouted it, but even if he had reacted in time i dont think he could have held it without a good creep spread up there. So he should have either spread creep there, which also gives vision, or just gone for his 2nd nat instead. Nani walled completely and the chances for him pushing out his nat were small. But he didnt do either and lost.
Looking at how the game paned out i think Idra still would have had a valid chance if he had given up his third cleanly (he lost a lot of units in that process) and gone for decisive battle when Nani moved down from the 1 o clock nat. Its a wide area which he had all creeped up. It could have gone very well i think, And if he had both the 2nd nat's of the lower part of the map he could have gone one for one on expos and nani would have been mined out.
I think the mistakes lost him the game but the map architecture isnt really rewarding for z. Both the main expos and the "middle" expos have big cons to them. Playing a straight up fight can be hard.
I would love to see a z go for 1 macro hatch more often, and also get adrenal for lings. I havent been faced with mass ling or mass ling hyd lategame with a stalker immo army but i imagine it would do very well. Its just that it doesnt seem like the top z's play a style of which they have enough larvae to support it. But it could be an alternation/improvement to the 300/300 push - having enough larvae to do exactly what you want/need.
Also, when the professors of starcraft dispense knowledge, dont bitch and complain. Making 2 line post which are totally wrong isnt a basic human right or anything. Put some effort into your posts instead of saying "i have my rights man".
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On March 14 2011 06:48 backtoback wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 15:32 backtoback wrote:
i say 3-1 Dignatas with IdrA only winning OR axslave taking one series and if idrA plays, he wins it. If he doesn't, Dignatas takes it 3-2 Lol wut?
Quoting what you said earlier in a thread then saying "lol wut?" doesn't qualify as a post. Garbage like that shouldn't be seen in TL.
Anyway I don't see why people care so much if Idra GGs or not. His final comment was quite funny though. In a clan war this close anyone can win a series. Losing or winning doesn't magically mean one player is the best. Just enjoy the games and have fun.
Man finals and 3rd/4th place look to be super sick. So ampt.
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On March 14 2011 06:23 Gowa wrote:
When Naniwa began to snipe Idra's third the supplies were 110 against 170.
Everyone who understands the game should /facepalm seeing how easily protoss can be ukillable. The natural is safe thanks to the wall, the army is shooting and is invincible thanks to forcefields. The only way zerg could have cleaned this attack is by having randomly built a nydus network then made a way out at the top right corner (or is it ?)
And didn't we sene him moving an overlord to check the rocks hp? I think he was aware of that,
It's not about Idra "making excuses" or just bitching around, it is about a player who has more game knowledge than any of us calling for justice after a game he should have won.
100% agree with everything you said
and it makes me soo sad not just to see idra lose that way
but that so many of you guys don't understand anything of what happened but talk about how bad idra is..
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right.
Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss.
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On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss.
so is IdrA and the shitstorm on balance still began with a 1-2 ZVP series of him... people don't actually care about player's actual win ratings or strong/weak matchups... they/you lose and the game is BROKEN, period ... mad world.
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I hope the progamers who posted in this thread and who are reading it don't get frustrated because of the idiots. A lot of us enjoy reading your thoughts, but we just don't bother to engage in meaningless arguments with some of the people in threads like these. It would be a shame if y'all stopped sharing your thoughts about games with us just because of the vocal minority.
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Australia8532 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss.
Haha oh Jinro :p perfect response needed in this thread
I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. Stop looking for an opportunity to trash the game and turn this forum in the b.net forums.. It's really sad to read page upon page of balance crap.. Whenever IdrA wins is zerg OP? I doubt it.. but i guess some things will never change..
Well played dignitas GCPL has produced some incredible series.. and now fnatic vs dignitas in the finals? Slightly insane
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On March 14 2011 07:11 Slow Motion wrote:
I hope the progamers who posted in this thread and who are reading it don't get frustrated because of the idiots. A lot of us enjoy reading your thoughts, but we just don't bother to engage in meaningless arguments with some of the people in threads like these. It would be a shame if y'all stopped sharing your thoughts about games with us just because of the vocal minority.
I think the minority has become the majority really. At least from what I've seen. The number of progamers that post now compared to BW has gone down so drastically
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On March 14 2011 07:12 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 07:11 Slow Motion wrote:
I hope the progamers who posted in this thread and who are reading it don't get frustrated because of the idiots. A lot of us enjoy reading your thoughts, but we just don't bother to engage in meaningless arguments with some of the people in threads like these. It would be a shame if y'all stopped sharing your thoughts about games with us just because of the vocal minority. I think the minority has begun the majority really. At least from what I've seen. The number of progamers that post now compared to BW has gone down so drastically
There was reference to this on SotG .. probably not the correct thread to be discussing it in but iNcontrol i think it basically came down to the size of the community exploding which has resulted in a serious reduction in quality control - whether the admins have to relax their standards due to the size of the community, or they simply don't have enough time (considering how much shit they actually catch it's insane the people that still post here) the general quality of the TL forums have decreased.. It's basically our responsibility though.. If we want the forums to be better, we have to be determined to post better simple
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IdrA: you outplayed me and I deserve to lose
IdrA: also, zerg isn't weak and the game is balanced
IdrA: gg wp
IdrA has left the game!
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On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
You really, really do not know what you are talking about.
He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved.
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On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
Not taking anything away from July, but as far as SC2 standards go he is basically the "Rain" of Zerg, it's just that it's more entertaining watching him cheese cause...it's freakin' July. So even though IdrA didn't play up to par perhaps, using July as a comparison of Zerg isn't great.
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On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved.
Idra had 15 corruptors vs 4 colossus. When the battle ended, he still had 12-13 left. It was a little bit overkill.
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On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved.
He had way more than 10 Corruptors kid so I think it's you who doesn't know what they are talking about.
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Idra made a huge mistake that last game, and it cost him the match. He started his Hive at the perfect time, even finished researching it and then.......DID NOTHING WITH IT.
The thread is too long for me to go through and find out if anyone else has mentioned this but;
If Idra had started a greater spire as soon as his Hive had finished, he would have won the game. That is all.
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On March 14 2011 07:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote:On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved. Idra had 15 corruptors vs 4 colossus. When the battle ended, he still had 12-13 left. It was a little bit overkill.
15 corruptors doesn't sound too much. If only a couple was killed it had to be because Nani was focusing on Idras ground army.
If Idra had gotten less corruptors giving the collosi free reign to kill his ground army, guess what people would have been saying then?
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Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help.
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On March 14 2011 07:12 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss. I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ ..
the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea.
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On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help.
idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time.
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Well he is playing in the SGL Playoffs soon against ROOT and they have 2 Protoss in their line up .. so i hope he can figure something out and get an All Kill hehe
On March 14 2011 09:16 imbs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 07:12 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss. I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea.
I am unsure but did you just reference Naniwa as a "mid-tier foreign Protoss" .. that is a pretty silly statement to make.. Naniwa is a solid contender and if not for some immature controversy on his part; he would be a household name (if he isn't already..) IdrA is one of the best zergs in the game without a doubt; but believe it or not he is capable of making mistakes.. Hive Tech units? I'm not saying ZvP is or isn't broken or any comment on balance; but because IdrA is so vocal - everytime he loses a game, the zerg army unites in a massive "Zerg so UP" posting bananza..
IdrA is capable of being one of the best macro zergs; but he is also one of the worst at adapting and can be incredibly predictable.. It's just frustrating to see the amount of crap posts that one Bo3 loss for a zerg can accrue..
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I agree with tyler (except i have zeerax knocking out idra actually:3), simply because while idra is a mechanics monster, he often times sits on advantages he doesn't use.
tt1 made a good point about loosing position top at 1 of his expansions, but in reality idra could have easily wiped out alot of nani's production facilities and then came home and turtled to win. And personally, I also think nani played very smart in certain engagements, ie when i saw him blink on a group of hydras with pure stalkers i was very happy; most players would think auto loose but nani didn't get punked out and kept that ball from getting any bigger than it needed to.
It's not to say who the better player is, but the player who played better definatley won today.
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On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time.
It's not only an all-in/macro issue, Idra always sticks to roach/hydra/corrupter until he wins or loses the game. Other players are also doing baneling bombs, teching to broodlords, etc.
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I can't understand some comments regarding idra's and july's playstyles. Isn't it even riskier to let the protoss army hit 200/200? You can't beat it as a zerg, so there can always be trouble.
In my opinion the only way to play the matchup at the moment for zerg is to either drop a lot or do a roach allin or baneling bust.
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On March 14 2011 09:31 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. It's not only an all-in/macro issue, Idra always sticks to roach/hydra/corrupter until he wins or loses the game. Other players are also doing baneling bombs, teching to broodlords, etc.
actually idra makes stuff depending on what he thinks is coming i believe, which just happens to mean roach hydra corruptor alot of the time. like at the end of the game against nani he switched to only hydra - they are zergs best unit vs immortal/gateway unit so yea. i agree that he perhaps doesnt utilize banelings and baneling drops enough tho.
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On March 14 2011 09:17 bkrow wrote:Well he is playing in the SGL Playoffs soon against ROOT and they have 2 Protoss in their line up .. so i hope he can figure something out and get an All Kill hehe Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:16 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 07:12 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss. I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea. I am unsure but did you just reference Naniwa as a "mid-tier foreign Protoss" .. that is a pretty silly statement to make.. Naniwa is a solid contender and if not for some immature controversy on his part; he would be a household name (if he isn't already..) IdrA is one of the best zergs in the game without a doubt; but believe it or not he is capable of making mistakes.. Hive Tech units? I'm not saying ZvP is or isn't broken or any comment on balance; but because IdrA is so vocal - everytime he loses a game, the zerg army unites in a massive "Zerg so UP" posting bananza.. IdrA is capable of being one of the best macro zergs; but he is also one of the worst at adapting and can be incredibly predictable.. It's just frustrating to see the amount of crap posts that one Bo3 loss for a zerg can accrue..
i agree mostly, i didnt mean that naniwa is just another foreigner or anything like that, i just meant that hes seen as "lesser" than idra so yea people will unquestioningly put it down to imba.
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Protoss is the most powerful race ATM. Zerg was in the beta before the Roach nerf. Terran was pre GSL 5. The "OPness" fluctuates.
Just like Terran in BW, Zerg is no doubt the hardest race to play, but it is also the most rewarding, as indicated by 2 Zerg Champions and Losira, and the Terran dominance in BW (especially earlier on). Terran was the weakest race in the beginning of BW, but once people figured out how to play it well (Boxer) There was the three most dominant BW players in history (Nada, Boxer, Oov) and now Flash. That's why there are so little Zergs in the GSL right now, but I think a couple years from now, Zergs will be the most populous race, but for now, they suffer.
That said, I'm a Protoss player and the third game made me sad to watch : | IdrA totally had that
tl;dr- BW Terran=SC2 Zerg
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On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT.
IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that.
lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset.
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved.
So, he doesn't know what he is talking about but you do... interesting, what qualifies you to be right and him to be wrong? And the fact that you are saying July is over-hyped and plays really gimmicky just shows that you know less than the person you were saying the same about.
This game is a jokie
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On March 14 2011 09:43 imbs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:17 bkrow wrote:Well he is playing in the SGL Playoffs soon against ROOT and they have 2 Protoss in their line up .. so i hope he can figure something out and get an All Kill hehe On March 14 2011 09:16 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 07:12 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss. I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea. I am unsure but did you just reference Naniwa as a "mid-tier foreign Protoss" .. that is a pretty silly statement to make.. Naniwa is a solid contender and if not for some immature controversy on his part; he would be a household name (if he isn't already..) IdrA is one of the best zergs in the game without a doubt; but believe it or not he is capable of making mistakes.. Hive Tech units? I'm not saying ZvP is or isn't broken or any comment on balance; but because IdrA is so vocal - everytime he loses a game, the zerg army unites in a massive "Zerg so UP" posting bananza.. IdrA is capable of being one of the best macro zergs; but he is also one of the worst at adapting and can be incredibly predictable.. It's just frustrating to see the amount of crap posts that one Bo3 loss for a zerg can accrue.. i agree mostly, i didnt mean that naniwa is just another foreigner or anything like that, i just meant that hes seen as "lesser" than idra so yea people will unquestioningly put it down to imba.
Anyone who pays attention to the eu scene would consider naniwas pvz one of the best outside of korea tbh
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Wouldn't a logical response to the cross positions/Protoss completely walling off simply be to expand away from the top and the corridor/plateau of death? Or is that too much of a gamble?
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On March 14 2011 06:52 Skyze wrote:
Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7.
that is not how you measure balance... omg... isn't it obvious?
first of all, small sample size. secondly, you are talking about GSL, the tournament with the best players where talent overcome small balance issues.
it is sad that I have to come here to explain something so obvious to someone...
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On March 14 2011 11:37 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:52 Skyze wrote:
Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7. that is not how you measure balance... omg... isn't it obvious? first of all, small sample size. secondly, you are talking about GSL, the tournament with the best players where talent overcome small balance issues. it is sad that I have to come here to explain something so obvious to someone...
It's more sad that you think you you're the only one with this knowledge...
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On March 14 2011 06:51 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:23 Gowa wrote:
When Naniwa began to snipe Idra's third the supplies were 110 against 170.
Everyone who understands the game should /facepalm seeing how easily protoss can be ukillable. The natural is safe thanks to the wall, the army is shooting and is invincible thanks to forcefields. The only way zerg could have cleaned this attack is by having randomly built a nydus network then made a way out at the top right corner (or is it ?)
And didn't we sene him moving an overlord to check the rocks hp? I think he was aware of that,
It's not about Idra "making excuses" or just bitching around, it is about a player who has more game knowledge than any of us calling for justice after a game he should have won.
everyone who understands the game knows that zerg is supposed to have more supply, if they build roaches. 150/50 in Roaches -> 4 supply 125/50 in Stalker -> 2 supply Stop pointing at supply in ZvP, that doesn't show anything.
Sooo what you're saying is that Zerg's maxed army is SUPPOSED to be equal to a 140/200 protoss army? What the fuck, then, is Zerg supposed to do against a 200/200 protoss army, especially considering the Zerg has almost definitely had to invest 20-30 supply in corruptors to stop either phoenix or colossus? Roaches feel like they're a rather necessary component of a Zerg's army merely for their ability to soak damage. The alternative to fill their role is Ultralisks, which get comically annihalated by immortals, as well as take forever to build and are extremely gas-heavy.
Because there is a maximum supply in SC2, pointing to supply counts is fully relevant. If a 150 supply zerg army/economy is not supposed to be able to take on and beat a protoss supply and economy that is a full 40 food shorter, what is the advantage to Zerg? Why play Zerg when your "advantage" is a lower effective food cap?
-that said- I don't think Zerg is underpowered, and I believe there are things Zerg can do to beat protoss consistently... but I do acknowledge that there's something funky going on with the viability of Zerg's T3 units, and the total uselessness of corruptors after they've done their task. If there was an advantage to give in ZvP, I'd find it hard to claim it was Zerg at the advantage. It's not insurmountable, but it does come across as entering a boxing ring with one arm three inches shorter than the other.
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On March 14 2011 11:37 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:52 Skyze wrote:
Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7. that is not how you measure balance... omg... isn't it obvious? first of all, small sample size. secondly, you are talking about GSL, the tournament with the best players where talent overcome small balance issues. it is sad that I have to come here to explain something so obvious to someone...
but isnt that what a lot of the zergs use to complain about their race? they too bring up similar small sample sizes too "prove" imbalance, and often call tournaments where zerg players win just a fluke. leave balance to the designers, they know what they are doing.
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On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time.
IdrA's style is not the way zerg is meant to be played. He lacks the multi-tasking and the APM to play it at its full potential (and dare I say, his decision-making is questionable). If Jaedong was playing SC2, he would be macroing better than IdrA, attacking better than July and make decisions better than NesTea. He would make zerg ridiculously imbalanced.
If you want to call July's style "all-in", then I just pity your self-righteous limitation on strategy. July senses an opportunity and responds accordingly like any good RTS player. July proactively scouts for these opportunities whilst IdrA only looks for moments to drone up, take an extra expo, or end the game right there. He lacks the brutal decisiveness to seize every single advantage he can get, which is the trademark of every single great zerg player in the history of BW.
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On March 14 2011 11:50 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 11:37 ilbh wrote:On March 14 2011 06:52 Skyze wrote:
Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7. that is not how you measure balance... omg... isn't it obvious? first of all, small sample size. secondly, you are talking about GSL, the tournament with the best players where talent overcome small balance issues. it is sad that I have to come here to explain something so obvious to someone... but isnt that what a lot of the zergs use to complain about their race? they too bring up similar small sample sizes too "prove" imbalance, and often call tournaments where zerg players win just a fluke. leave balance to the designers, they know what they are doing.
Some were invoking several THOUSANDS of games in the TL Opens.
Just saying...
I think there IS imbalance in the game. But that is not meant for this topic.
I'm sad Idra lost, I really like he guy and really think he is good. And EG is one of my favorite clans.
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On March 14 2011 12:32 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following IdrA as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the Way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. If you WanT to call July's style "all-in", then I just pity your self-righteous limitation on strategy. July senses an opportunity and responds accordingly like any good RTS player. July proactively scouts for these opportunities whilst IdrA Only looks for moments to drone up, take an extra expo, or End the game right there. He lacks the brutal decisiveness to seize every single advantage he can get, Which is the trademark of every single great zerg player in the HistOry of BW.
Yeh, July is Way better imo, he'd be much harder to prepare against because you just don't know what he will do. It's Not like he only allins.
Anyway, congrats to Dignitas, was Really hoping they won. Happy Birthday to NaNiwa, this was Nice birthday present for you Love it how every time IdrA loses the thread spirals out of control with Lots of tears flowing.
This game is a jokie!
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Damn Naniwa is good. Thanks for posting this.
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On March 14 2011 12:32 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. IdrA's style is not the way zerg is meant to be played. He lacks the multi-tasking and the APM to play it at its full potential (and dare I say, his decision-making is questionable). If Jaedong was playing SC2, he would be macroing better than IdrA, attacking better than July and make decisions better than NesTea. He would make zerg ridiculously imbalanced. If you want to call July's style "all-in", then I just pity your self-righteous limitation on strategy. July senses an opportunity and responds accordingly like any good RTS player. July proactively scouts for these opportunities whilst IdrA only looks for moments to drone up, take an extra expo, or end the game right there. He lacks the brutal decisiveness to seize every single advantage he can get, which is the trademark of every single great zerg player in the history of BW.
So what you are saying is that IdrA is a macro player, and Zerg is, surprisingly, not really a macro race. There is some sense in this, especially as we recall that IdrA's original reason for picking Zerg was because everyone thought Zerg was the macro race. It turns out, however, that other races are actually more macro-friendly while Zerg is left with the task of stopping Protoss and Terran before they reach "critical mass." Ironically Protoss and Terran are the two races that would favor IdrA's defensive macro-oriented play more in the current meta-game.
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On March 14 2011 11:37 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:52 Skyze wrote:
Not only did zerg win 3 of the 6 GSL tournies so far (Code A included).. they also won the GSL All-Stars in November, 16 invited best in the world, a zerg won. (Kyrix)..
So, out of 7 GSL hosted events so far in Korea, Zerg has won 4 of them. AND in the next one right now, there is a zerg in the finals.
Yeah.. I think zerg is fine. Protoss is 1/7. that is not how you measure balance... omg... isn't it obvious? first of all, small sample size. secondly, you are talking about GSL, the tournament with the best players where talent overcome small balance issues. it is sad that I have to come here to explain something so obvious to someone...
small sample size? LOL
Yea lets add in some bronze leaguers map statistics!
The reason why the top 30~ players in the world are a good sample size is b/c you can say they are playing their race to their maximum potential. You cant balance a game based off shitty players, blizzard already does that, its called WoW.
Hopefully they wont do it for SC2. If someone is bad at their race, then you should help them by buffing their race? That doesnt make sense... Idra made some bad decisions in Game3 and deserved to lose.
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On March 14 2011 11:45 GreEny K wrote:
It's more sad that you think you you're the only one with this knowledge...
never said I'm the only one LOL
On March 14 2011 14:11 LumberJack wrote:
small sample size? LOL
Yea lets add in some bronze leaguers map statistics!
The reason why the top 30~ players in the world are a good sample size is b/c you can say they are playing their race to their maximum potential. You cant balance a game based off shitty players, blizzard already does that, its called WoW.
Hopefully they wont do it for SC2. If someone is bad at their race, then you should help them by buffing their race? That doesnt make sense... Idra made some bad decisions in Game3 and deserved to lose.
I didn't say that you should balance around bronze level. I just said that the number of GSL wins of each race isn't the way to measure balance.
you got to remember that we had a lot of patches since the first GSL too, it is not only the small sample size... maps have changed, etc.
I have also said that idra made a lot of mistakes, I'm not saying the game is or is not balanced.
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IdrA just doesn't have any strategy except droning up. Sad to say his decision making is terrible.
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After all, good job Dignitas, good job Naniwa. And you guys,,, don't be such an Idra funboy.... he is one of the best, that doesn't, mean he needs to win all of his matches...
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i think if your comparing these two players and who played better by comparing supply numbers you have an even lower understanding of the game then me -.-
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Good games
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On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:23 BigBoy22 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:21 Skyze wrote:On March 14 2011 06:13 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 06:11 Skyze wrote:
Not to mention ragequitting at first sight of a voidray in game 1 when he was still ahead???
I would really love to hear the thought that went into this comment. Please please show me how he was ahead when he gg'd out. He had map control, enough roaches to hold off any kind of warp counter attack.. had lair and even tho he didnt have a hydra den started, 3 queens EASILY takes out one voidray, esp one that still has half the map to travel. The game was very even at that point, and as I said I think idra was ahead even, he had better drone saturation and more units on the map, along with a solid tech tree up. Of course game could of went either way, but NO WAY should he of ragequit the game at that point, it was at least 50/50 at that point in the game.. and to the kid saying why dont I "prove it"... uh, go watch July in GSL. Hes not playing european protoss players, hes playing Top level GSL Protoss in AnyPro and just 3-1'd him. If Protoss was so much better than zerg, how did July win? Youre talking about 1 zerg in the world getting into the final, let me ask you- where are the other zergs? Why are the better players right now all protosses? Why can Jinro not figure out a way to beat toss effectively? Why cant a zerg do the same? .. right. Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss.
Every terran (and zerg) are bad vs protoss I fear :o
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damn, was not expecting naniwa to 2-0 incontrol and 2-1 idra, props to him i guess
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what you were expecting Incontrol to beat Naniwa? LOL, they guy is an average pro level player at best
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On March 14 2011 13:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:32 tyCe wrote:On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote:On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. IdrA's style is not the way zerg is meant to be played. He lacks the multi-tasking and the APM to play it at its full potential (and dare I say, his decision-making is questionable). If Jaedong was playing SC2, he would be macroing better than IdrA, attacking better than July and make decisions better than NesTea. He would make zerg ridiculously imbalanced. If you want to call July's style "all-in", then I just pity your self-righteous limitation on strategy. July senses an opportunity and responds accordingly like any good RTS player. July proactively scouts for these opportunities whilst IdrA only looks for moments to drone up, take an extra expo, or end the game right there. He lacks the brutal decisiveness to seize every single advantage he can get, which is the trademark of every single great zerg player in the history of BW. So what you are saying is that IdrA is a macro player, and Zerg is, surprisingly, not really a macro race. There is some sense in this, especially as we recall that IdrA's original reason for picking Zerg was because everyone thought Zerg was the macro race. It turns out, however, that other races are actually more macro-friendly while Zerg is left with the task of stopping Protoss and Terran before they reach "critical mass." Ironically Protoss and Terran are the two races that would favor IdrA's defensive macro-oriented play more in the current meta-game.
Yet in BW he played the race that could sit back until 200/200 and move out, yet still complained about it being imbalanced or people beating him 'played badly'. Maybe people should stop overrating him and encouraging his whining. Even if there is imbalance, he's playing a race that doesn't fit the style hes trying to play and hes not playing perfectly when macroing.
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Naniwa has come a really really long way. Remember seeing his games in the beta and, having just come from bw, I was in shock that he was considered a good player. His game now is totally different. GG
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On March 14 2011 20:36 Space Invader wrote:
damn, was not expecting naniwa to 2-0 incontrol and 2-1 idra, props to him i guess
well you coudnt expect naniwa to beat idra, yes, but incontrol? come on lol..
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On March 14 2011 07:37 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote:
Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing.
Not taking anything away from July, but as far as SC2 standards go he is basically the "Rain" of Zerg, it's just that it's more entertaining watching him cheese cause...it's freakin' July. So even though IdrA didn't play up to par perhaps, using July as a comparison of Zerg isn't great.
I get what you're trying to say but you should be shot for comparing July to Rain.
One huge difference : July plays that way because he tries to find solutions during a state of the metagame where zerg struggles, not because he knows his mechanics aren't up to par for a macro game.
edit : seriously guys, this is getting retarded. It's like any kind of build which aims to try to kill your opponent before he is maxed out is labelled "cheese".
If other GSL players fail to adapt to July's style, it's their fucking problem, and that doesn't mean July doesn't deserve his spot in the finals.
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Great games. Idra BM was great at the end lol.
Looking forward to finals!
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Why doesn't IdrA try another approach, I agree on the fact that Shakuras is bad for Z, it's was clearly shown by the last game they played. However, knowing that, and scouting the route nAni was taking, isn't there a better response? There must be.
I think IdrA was a bit too indecisive, he didn't manage to apply any pressure, he didn't manage to attack, and he lost alot alot of stuff by his third even though it's a really bad engagement.
No broodlords, no infestors, no drops, no banelings, no mutas. Nothing. Weren't there moments when could have changed out of Hydra/Roach? There must be! Why didn't he instantly exp away from the P when he was that he was going to wall himself off. Yeah.. I don't know
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where are the replays / vods?
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