• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:27
CET 23:27
KST 07:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage8Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?1Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement!
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11265 users

[GCPL Semi Final] Dignitas vs EG - Page 35

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 40 Next All
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
March 13 2011 20:34 GMT
#681
On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.


Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD.

You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.



Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...


Do you feel the same way about Ret?
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
OTL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
313 Posts
March 13 2011 20:35 GMT
#682
On March 14 2011 05:14 HeroHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:14 OTL wrote:
Is there a link to the VODs? I don't see it anywhere in the OP.

http://www.justin.tv/gosucoachingtv/b/281494650 <-VOD

Thank you, kindly, sir or ma'am.
TazzDingo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany502 Posts
March 13 2011 20:36 GMT
#683
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what?

btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated.
Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 13 2011 20:36 GMT
#684
On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.


Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD.

You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.



Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...


Do you feel the same way about Ret?


When does Ret disrespect his opponents, refuse to gg, etc.?
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 20:38:18
March 13 2011 20:37 GMT
#685
On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.


Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD.

You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG.



Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...


Do you feel the same way about Ret?


Ret doesn't make excuses when he loses and doesn't bad mouth his opponents like Idra does. Ret is frustrated with the balance but he doesn't use it as a crutch to lean on when he loses.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
March 13 2011 20:38 GMT
#686
every zerg in the world complains

only idra gets called out for it.

haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 13 2011 20:41 GMT
#687
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
March 13 2011 20:42 GMT
#688
On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains

only idra gets called out for it.

haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.


I think IdrA gets called out for it because he brings it into the public eye on streams and such and on SotG. He was called out for it in BW too for the same reasons however I don't think it was this bad because his fame has quadrupled because of SC2.

However IdrA should be reviewing that replay I think it's definitely a game he could have won.
Cake or Death?
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
March 13 2011 20:43 GMT
#689
On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.


He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
Goobus
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong587 Posts
March 13 2011 20:44 GMT
#690
On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.


He saw the rocks being broken down (overlord spotted it just in time), but he didn't have enough of an army to contest naniwa at that point. So his next best option was to position his army around the lowground choke to try and hold off nani's army.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
March 13 2011 20:48 GMT
#691
the problem is, people like idra complain about zerg to absolutely no end which has a detrimental impact on the community because people start tossing around his opinions as justification in their argument like "oh see even this top level zerg said so, therefore you're wrong" when 90% of the time when it's really their own lack of skill/understanding of the game that they should be reflecting over.
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 13 2011 20:49 GMT
#692
On March 14 2011 05:36 TazzDingo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what?

btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated.
Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me

That's exactly what happened, some sweetpies though said that Idra started sucking and now that he "just whines" he doesnt scout, so.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
March 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#693
On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.


This is not a value judgment regarding IdrA's behavior; but, when has he ever "respected" anyone who isn't considered some sort of a RTS demigod (i.e. Flash, JD, etc)? I remember Artosis saying that IdrA thinks Fantasy is a "noob" - and Fantasy is probably one of the top 10-15 BW players of all time. Guy trashed Zergbong before he started to play more "solidly." So for someone with such extreme (and perhaps haughty) opinions, wouldn't it be natural for him to think even less of the foreign scene, at least at the moment?

In my opinion, "respect" is something that's earned through years of competition, not just a few months of good results. Nor should "respect" be lost just because some guy has a bad losing streak for a while. It seems like our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter nowadays, where a couple of tournaments would have people deciding on who's "better." If BW taught us anything, it's that this kind of shit just doesn't work that way. All I'm saying is that it goes both ways: complaining about imbalance this early in the game might not be very productive, but asking for IdrA to change his general opinion about the game and certain players this early probably isn't feasible either.
Denizen[9]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States649 Posts
March 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#694

On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about

And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you


Ironic isnt it
Jaedong, Baby | Idra, Marineking, Tester, Nada
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 20:54:04
March 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#695
On March 14 2011 05:43 shaunnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.


He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top

Yep you're right, I thought the overlord sitting near the minerals up top was moved directly there, but you do catch a glance of it checking the rocks then moving over, my bad.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#696
On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.

If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.

He had two overlords there, he even moved one away to avoid him getting killed.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
March 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#697
On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains

only idra gets called out for it.

haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.

European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
March 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#698
On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next


Haha Tyler,
Your making the gracken angry. You won't like him when he is angry!
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
March 13 2011 20:55 GMT
#699
On March 14 2011 05:50 GobIin wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about

And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you


Ironic isnt it

u should look up TT1XD
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
March 13 2011 21:06 GMT
#700
On March 14 2011 05:53 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains

only idra gets called out for it.

haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.

European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.

Exactly. It does a disservice to the game as well as himself when he voices such complaints in the semi-finals of a high profile tournament. It's incredibly disrespectful to the organizers and the sponsors and it honestly surprises me EG doesn't have some sort of rule to disqualify him from the next match if he isn't on good behavior or apologizes.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 40 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 415
PiGStarcraft291
Nathanias 57
EnDerr 32
CosmosSc2 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 5728
ProTech99
League of Legends
Doublelift2656
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox207
C9.Mang0139
PPMD28
Other Games
summit1g4580
Grubby2415
shahzam494
Liquid`Hasu261
ToD228
syndereN156
NeuroSwarm66
Railgan28
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV136
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 56
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV407
Other Games
• imaqtpie1062
• Shiphtur342
Upcoming Events
OSC
33m
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
2h 33m
INu's Battles
13h 33m
ByuN vs Classic
3D!Clan Event
18h 3m
The PondCast
1d 11h
KCM Race Survival
1d 11h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 13h
OSC
2 days
Ultimate Battle
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
3 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
4 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.