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On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken...
Do you feel the same way about Ret?
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Thank you, kindly, sir or ma'am.
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On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what?
btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated.
Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me 
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken... Do you feel the same way about Ret?
When does Ret disrespect his opponents, refuse to gg, etc.?
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 bennyaus wrote:On March 14 2011 05:26 Raiznhell wrote:On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not. Well IdrA doesn't really respect most of his opponents and he's pretty open about that xD. You're only good if your Zerg or you've lost to him in a good game from what I've heard listening to SotG. Exactly. It is pathetic, and the proof will be in the pudding when other zergs start showing better results than him if he doesn't try to keep up with practice and the current state of the game. I hope for the sake of the foreigner community someone kicks some sense into his attitude, but I doubt that will happen. Too many Yes-men who just praise the guy for being outspoken... Do you feel the same way about Ret?
Ret doesn't make excuses when he loses and doesn't bad mouth his opponents like Idra does. Ret is frustrated with the balance but he doesn't use it as a crutch to lean on when he loses.
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every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
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On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit.
If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
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On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
I think IdrA gets called out for it because he brings it into the public eye on streams and such and on SotG. He was called out for it in BW too for the same reasons however I don't think it was this bad because his fame has quadrupled because of SC2.
However IdrA should be reviewing that replay I think it's definitely a game he could have won.
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He saw the rocks being broken down (overlord spotted it just in time), but he didn't have enough of an army to contest naniwa at that point. So his next best option was to position his army around the lowground choke to try and hold off nani's army.
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the problem is, people like idra complain about zerg to absolutely no end which has a detrimental impact on the community because people start tossing around his opinions as justification in their argument like "oh see even this top level zerg said so, therefore you're wrong" when 90% of the time when it's really their own lack of skill/understanding of the game that they should be reflecting over.
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On March 14 2011 05:36 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. yea what a tard for stating his opinion... wait what? btw I'm not rly sure if walking up to 1 o'clock base would be the right move at that position. When IdrA scouted the 2nd set of back rocks going down, he was still a bit low on ground forces. Now going up the choke to wait for the opponent there would/could actually mean fighting without ground reinforcement plus the fact that a lost fight would've been horrible for idra at that moment. So as the save-playing Zerg IdrA is, I doubt that he would (at that point of the game) move up there to defend without any chance of reinforcement. I mean, when IdrA pulled his probes, his 4th(or then new-3rd) was already up, waiting to be saturated. Just my opinion tho'. If I'm totally wrong I'm sure some elitist will correct me
That's exactly what happened, some sweetpies though said that Idra started sucking and now that he "just whines" he doesnt scout, so.
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On March 14 2011 05:23 bennyaus wrote:
There comes a point where blaming imbalance is just disrespectful to your opponents. IdrA has been and gone from that point, and to me it is irrelevant whether imbalance plays a part in him losing games, because frankly it seems like he enters the game with a negative mindset and therefore hinders his chance at improving and beating these players. His statements about not even practicing seriously just grind my gears. This is his job, imbalance should be irrelevant to his practice schedule if he has any respect for his opponents, and given that he loses with increasing regularity amongst the foreigner scene... maybe it is time to develop that respect; Imbalance or not.
This is not a value judgment regarding IdrA's behavior; but, when has he ever "respected" anyone who isn't considered some sort of a RTS demigod (i.e. Flash, JD, etc)? I remember Artosis saying that IdrA thinks Fantasy is a "noob" - and Fantasy is probably one of the top 10-15 BW players of all time. Guy trashed Zergbong before he started to play more "solidly." So for someone with such extreme (and perhaps haughty) opinions, wouldn't it be natural for him to think even less of the foreign scene, at least at the moment?
In my opinion, "respect" is something that's earned through years of competition, not just a few months of good results. Nor should "respect" be lost just because some guy has a bad losing streak for a while. It seems like our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter nowadays, where a couple of tournaments would have people deciding on who's "better." If BW taught us anything, it's that this kind of shit just doesn't work that way. All I'm saying is that it goes both ways: complaining about imbalance this early in the game might not be very productive, but asking for IdrA to change his general opinion about the game and certain players this early probably isn't feasible either.
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On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you
Ironic isnt it
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On March 14 2011 05:43 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late. He moved in an overlord and saw the rocks being destroyed, then moved it over to the top
Yep you're right, I thought the overlord sitting near the minerals up top was moved directly there, but you do catch a glance of it checking the rocks then moving over, my bad.
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On March 14 2011 05:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:30 ftd.rain wrote:
funny how the pro player here is saying idra didn't scout when any retard could see he had an overlord watching the back rocks, talk about being full of bullshit. If you watch the VOD you'll see that Idra did not have vision of the back rocks leading into the top right expansion. he had no idea that Nani's army was moving in to attack his third until it was too late.
He had two overlords there, he even moved one away to avoid him getting killed.
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On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above.
European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.
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On March 14 2011 05:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
cruncher is next
Haha Tyler,
Your making the gracken angry. You won't like him when he is angry!
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On March 14 2011 05:50 GobIin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:08 asha wrote:On March 14 2011 05:01 TT1 wrote:
reading ur newb posts hurts my eyes when 50% of u have no idea wat ur talking about And you do? not like your the top player in NA, Me neither, But atleast im closer then you Ironic isnt it
u should look up TT1XD
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On March 14 2011 05:53 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 05:38 Let it Raine wrote:
every zerg in the world complains
only idra gets called out for it.
haven't seen these games though, about to watch the vod that was posted above. European top zergs like Dimaga, Morrow and Darkforce end their games with "gg" instead of "This game is a joke". I think that's the reason.
Exactly. It does a disservice to the game as well as himself when he voices such complaints in the semi-finals of a high profile tournament. It's incredibly disrespectful to the organizers and the sponsors and it honestly surprises me EG doesn't have some sort of rule to disqualify him from the next match if he isn't on good behavior or apologizes.
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