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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Only the very best foreigners would come close to beating Koreans. The majority of their games would be fairly one sided, if it were to be the top Koreans. Good, then it will force more NA players to step up there game, thus leading to a progressively stronger NA player base. I know this is going in circles now but I don't see what's so bad about that. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:27 Qaatar wrote: With that mindset, then yeah, I guess none of this shit really even matters. Amateur college sports are more entertaining sometimes than the pro leagues I suppose. Of course we'll have the egos and aspirations of some of these top foreign players to contend with, but hey, the scene will be interesting...right? Of course! That's what makes it interesting. I never watch GSL, but I'll watch MLG or top foreign tournaments just because I feel interested in the players. | ||
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Cartographer
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:19 Pokebunny wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2011 12:16 CatalysT. wrote: I dont think that the scene outside of korea can grow at all if they dont have a reason to go balls deep in starcraft to win. You saw in like half the interviews that most of the applicants are college students that play starcraft in there free time. It seems to be working for them now but what is there motivation to further there skill more radically if things are working out for them right now. In NASL, they compete with many NA players who do play full time. They would motivate eachother and imo provide a more interesting product then watching some korean roflstomp one of the lower half players in the NASL skillwise.. With this much money involved, I think many players may reorganize their priorities and provide great competition. If Koreans come and dominate, they may just give up hope eventually... The players should have incentive to reorganize their priorities with the prizemoney involved already. With koreans involved, everyone in NA knows they gotta step it up to compete. Theres fulltime foreigners who are able to compete with them, thats proof enough that its possible. Theres plenty of people out there willing to dedicate their time to the game and eventually foreigners will be able to compete, having koreans in the NASL will only speed up the process. Its about time we put the PROFESSIONAL in esports. | ||
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CatalysT.
59 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:22 Pokebunny wrote: Shrug. all I know is I'm much less interested than watching Koreans vs mid tier foreigners than up and coming foreigners battling with the better foreigners. I honestly don't care if the west doesn't catch up, as long as we have an interesting scene. So youd rather watch some crazy good highschool player play other top highschool players than to see that crazy good highschool player play with college atheletes? You cant expect our scene to "grow" ( and when we use that term I hope we are refering to the skill level raising) if we slap a handicap on ourselves. Its like saying that wed rather see the koreans represent 10^x and the foreign scene to represent 2^x... | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Oh, and it's interesting to note that those ST video applications are late. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:26 Pokebunny wrote: Only the very best foreigners would come close to beating Koreans. The majority of their games would be fairly one sided, if it were to be the top Koreans. ed: Exactly! These players would likely get smashed by Koreans 99% of the time. I'd rather see up and coming foreigners try to prove themselves against players like these than Koreans smashing half their opponents and having maybe semi-close games against the other half. i think he was talking about their videos lol | ||
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CatalysT.
59 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:25 Pokebunny wrote: What? So if you have a Japanese baseball league without inviting Americans, it's racist? It's established that the American baseball players are simply more powerful in hitting and pitching, and if the top tier baseball players went to Japan, the games wouldn't be that interesting for either of them. Starcraft 2 is still an infant we need to react while its still young...the gap is increasing | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:30 FrankWalls wrote: i think he was talking about their videos lol It doesn't matter, these are the type of players I'm talking about. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
I'm just afraid that if 5-6 Koreans are invited, and they all make the semis, that will be a rather boring semi for me. Because they will have eliminated you?  | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:25 Pokebunny wrote: What? So if you have a Japanese baseball league without inviting Americans, it's racist? It's established that the American baseball players are simply more powerful in hitting and pitching, and if the top tier baseball players went to Japan, the games wouldn't be that interesting for either of them. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing stopping Americans from applying to the Japanese baseball leagues -- just as there are no barriers to Japanese players applying to American ones. If this was not allowed -- it would be racist. I am not an advocate of the idea that we need to "shield" our foreigners from Korean e-sport competition as some form of protectionism. If North Americans cannot handle being competitive at e-sports, then they don't deserve a competitive e-sports scene. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:30 Pokebunny wrote: I don't want an outright ban on Koreans, I just want them to make a reasonable effort to participate in the scene if they want to play our tournaments. Liquid players are LIVING AND PLAYING CONSTANTLY with a Korean team during their time in Korea. If Koreans were to become part of the scene, that would be fantastic. People like SeleCT are totally cool. I'm just afraid that if 5-6 Koreans are invited, and they all make the semis, that will be a rather boring semi for me. They are becoming part of the scene. They just participated in IEM. They are participating in TSL3. They have participated in two FXOpen tournaments. They have participated in Dreamhack. What are you talking about? | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:27 Qaatar wrote: With that mindset, then yeah, I guess none of this shit really even matters. Amateur college sports are more entertaining sometimes than the pro leagues I suppose. Of course we'll have the egos and aspirations of some of these top foreign players to contend with, but hey, the scene will be interesting...right? I agree with pretty much everything Qaatar has said thus far. It seems nonsensical and counter-intuitive to restrict the better players from competing so relatively weak NA gamers have a chance at winning. Many EG, liquid, and root players are for the most part pretty close to reaching the level of the top koreans, if they aren't there already. Why not go forward hoping that the upper echelon of north american gamers will improve instead of intentionally dumbing down the competition so they look better? | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:34 ptbl wrote: They are becoming part of the scene. They just participated in IEM. They are participating in TSL3. They have participated in two FXOpen tournaments. They have participated in Dreamhack. What are you talking about? He's just feeling threatened and throwing out as many different arguments as possible and seeing if any stick methinks. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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Kirb
Germany900 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:13 Pokebunny wrote: meh, I agree with NeverExpo/Ostojiy.. Sure it's fun to watch them play, but in reality they'll stomp 90% of their opponents without saying a single word other than "glhf" and not really provide anything that the NASL is really looking for. Sure they're high quality gamers, but they've got a good scene in Korea. We have to stop elevating Koreans so high above us - I think it will be more successful in the long run to try and bring the NA scene up to Korean level before having them compete. I for one would HATE to see a bunch of Koreans in the final 8/4... not nearly as interesting imo. Wrote some long reply explaining why this thought process is wrong but I decided to go a shorter route. If the NASL wants the 50 best players to compete in a big tournament in the foreign scene. They will fill the tournament with nothing but Koreans, with 5 or so foreigners who have gone to Korea. It would turn into the GSL. Sadly they don't have a choice. Either be the American version of the GSL or run a tournament with sub-par players. Simple fact  | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
If NASL wants to have an amateur league connotation to it due a roster comprised mostly of amateur NA/EU gamers, then so be it, but a true progaming league is going to have several people from the best SC2 country in the world. | ||
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reDicE
United States1020 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:30 Pokebunny wrote: I don't want an outright ban on Koreans, I just want them to make a reasonable effort to participate in the scene if they want to play our tournaments. Liquid players are LIVING AND PLAYING CONSTANTLY with a Korean team during their time in Korea. If Koreans were to become part of the scene, that would be fantastic. People like SeleCT are totally cool. I'm just afraid that if 5-6 Koreans are invited, and they all make the semis, that will be a rather boring semi for me. Wait, so then by your logic, European players should be LIVING AND PLAYING CONSTANTLY with an American team during their time in America, right? By the way, I'm pretty sure most people consider SeleCT and not a Korean player. | ||
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