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On March 26 2011 12:46 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:42 HolyArrow wrote:On March 26 2011 12:37 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Socke missed that forcefield.
5secs delay from europe. Lmao. The thing is that there's already been plenty of posts here stating that EU->NA is pretty much fine, while many people are obviously stating that KR-> NA is pretty bad. Don't get all bitter and sarcastic because you don't like the facts. By plenty do you mean one? Here's a snippet from Socke's interview after winning the J.tv invitational last week (on NA server): Show nested quote +
He’s got a good 4 gate build, I don’t know if he’s a strong player or not but he seemed to all-in a lot throughout the tournament so lets just play safe even though you’re not really able to do good 4 gate wars with the lag currently. That is what went through my mind.
If the EU-->NA lag is such that he can't even 4 gate properly, I would hardly call that "pretty much fine." It's evident from your posts that you are hugely protective of the Korean players, but stop being an idiot.
Ouch. If the EU->NA lag is that bad and the KR->NA lag is even worse, then that's pretty terrible for the KR players. Oh, and it's not more than 1 player. There have been multiple people stating that KR lag is far worse than EU lag. Sure, I'll admit that EU latency is worse than "fine". But relative to KR latency, it's definitely alright.
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wow really great play by Zenio, defending and recovering perfectly.
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So sad that Socke lost this. TT Great games though.
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MC 4 gated first game against Check... I could see why lagging would be a problem. Much harder to abuse forcefields and micro against Zerglings who are fasttttt =/.
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The replay link on newest tweet is Strelok v. IdrA.
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On March 26 2011 12:44 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:42 HolyArrow wrote:On March 26 2011 12:37 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Socke missed that forcefield.
5secs delay from europe. Lmao. The thing is that there's already been plenty of posts here stating that EU->NA is pretty much fine, while many people are obviously stating that KR-> NA is pretty bad. Don't get all bitter and sarcastic because you don't like the facts. i like facs. but when i say EU 80 ms KR 300 ms i might be right - ppl saying 1.5 seconds are simply stupid. €: im rly good at getting hated within minutes in each forum! im so good xd
There is not such thing as 80ms latency in sc2, it has a minimum forced latency of 250ms. Going from 250 to 300 isn't much of a deal.
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hm but socke just showed what hes able to and that hes one of the best
gg
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wow, i thought socke had this won
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Spoiler for idra vs f91. Hasn't been casted yet afaik so don't look if you don't want to be spoiled
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On March 26 2011 12:49 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:44 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:42 HolyArrow wrote:On March 26 2011 12:37 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Socke missed that forcefield.
5secs delay from europe. Lmao. The thing is that there's already been plenty of posts here stating that EU->NA is pretty much fine, while many people are obviously stating that KR-> NA is pretty bad. Don't get all bitter and sarcastic because you don't like the facts. i like facs. but when i say EU 80 ms KR 300 ms i might be right - ppl saying 1.5 seconds are simply stupid. €: im rly good at getting hated within minutes in each forum! im so good xd There is not such thing as 80ms latency in sc2, it has a minimum forced latency of 250ms. Going from 250 to 300 isn't much of a deal.
I might add that back in my Counterstrike days, 80 ms felt pretty normal to me. 300 ms, however, felt really terrible - very, very noticeable delays there.
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On March 26 2011 12:11 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:08 DdoRo wrote:
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.
two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down
Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag. I guess that settles it. Good to know. 1.5 seconds is HUGE, and I didn't see that MC mentioned that - that's hilarious.
haha he didn't care, he can beat him anyway
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On March 26 2011 12:50 FliedLice wrote:
wow, i thought socke had this won
He was behind the whole game. The infinite FF ramp was the only chance he had to maybe get back into this. But he missed one and lost his whole army. He never got a third and was low on upgrades.
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On March 26 2011 12:50 SiguR wrote:Spoiler for idra vs f91. Hasn't been casted yet afaik so don't look if you don't want to be spoiled + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +hm? In the bracket, F91 advanced 2-0
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On March 26 2011 12:51 TazzDingo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hm? In the bracket, F91 advanced 2-0
I think brackets got wrongly updated. 
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On March 26 2011 12:47 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:44 Chicane wrote:On March 26 2011 12:39 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:38 Chicane wrote:On March 26 2011 12:29 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:27 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:24 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:19 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:17 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:12 DiaBoLuS wrote:
its 4 am in europe - if europeans lose games, this will be the reason!
Kor > EU > NA should be a clear fact now, with small skillgaps, no huge deal.
you guys rly believe in 1.5 secs?
how can the koreans even put a single forcefield or micro lings around bases?
it is def. not even 0.5 secs - omg i cannot belive you trust in "a friend of mine said that".
when i have lag i also say "3 secs i cannot move" asap When I play on the korean server, the lag is close to 1.5 sec. I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually getting 1+ seconds of latency... and Boxer also mentioned the latency was really really bad for TSL, at least a full second. I don't know about you but I give more credit to boxer than "a friend of mine" it wasnt boxer who said it, it was his gf  but just watching the games tells a different story. stalker attacks a ling on hold position. 0.3 secs later the ling moves. how is that possible with 1 sec latency... do you guys even know how much a second is in a RTS?^^ yeah you must've had a stopwatch out and measured that 0.3 seconds huh? point is, 1 second lag is possible. this is from personal experience 4~ days ago. you have no idea what you're talking about... tell me how to moving shot like zenio did with 1 sec, or move lings when attacked asap. when you have the answer, i might get conviced it is a second. did i ever say it was a second? i said i wouldn't be suprised if it was a full second. and mind you, latency is not a consistent thing. it'll fluctuate through the game, it may be 300 ms one moment, then spike up to 700 ms, etc... Dude... you said when you play on the KR server you have 1.5 and that you wouldn't be surprised if they had over a second of delay/lag... but then when he starts talking about 1 second delay/lag you're like "Whoa I never said a second... I said I wouldn't be surprised" but the fact is that if you say you experience that much and you basically say that it is very possible/likely that there is 1+ second delay... you are saying that there is a second. Of course you aren't sure, but to respond like "whoa 1 second delay? Where is this coming from I never said that was the case" after what you said is stupid. ????? how is "i wouldn't be surprised if they had 1 sec delay" the same as "they have 1 sec delay"? You said that when you played you had 1.5 seconds therefore implying that 1+ seconds is more than likely. You don't have to play dumb and say "what? 1 second? Where is this coming from?" Of course the sentences aren't exactly the same... but if you really can't put the pieces together then forget it. My only point was that after you mentioned that you had over a second of delay you then started pretending like you never mentioned them having 1+ second of delay. I did have more than a second of delay. And I did say I wouldn't be surprised if they did too. But that's entirely different from putting words in my mouth and saying they do have one second of delay. Diabolus asked me to explain how they have 1 second, and I simply stated that I never said they do have 1 second of lag, I said I wouldn't be surprised if they did based on my personal experience. I never said "where is this 1 second stuff coming from." You're just assuming shit and saying I'm playing dumb...
I understand what you are saying... but the person you responded to basically said "It doesn't appear there is 1 second delay.. it seems more like .3 second delay" and you said "1 second lag is possible." Either that was just a completely random statement that you made as a reply to his comment about .3 second delay... or you were implying that it is more likely that the delay is up to a second.
The point is... if someone comments on delay being lower and you say "it's possible that its 1+ second" (over 3 times what he said) that you are implying that it is in fact larger than what he says. I don't know why you would make that statement otherwise if you weren't implying anything such as the likeliness that it is a second... which is what I am referring to.
Either way, it's not worth arguing over this. Say what you'd like to say as a response and I'm done.
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Strelok with some bad micro. He had some good micro against checkprime, but against britney, not so much.
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On March 26 2011 12:51 TazzDingo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hm? In the bracket, F91 advanced 2-0
Probably a mistake? I can't see Idra losing 2-0 in ZvZ especially with latency on F91's part.
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On March 26 2011 12:51 TazzDingo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hm? In the bracket, F91 advanced 2-0
idra f91 spoilers
+ Show Spoiler +I am going off of Idra's match history. I could somehow be wrong if I've gone cross-eyed, which is entirely possible. I think the brackets are wrong.
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EPT
CheckPrime.WE defeats 
oGsMC - replays will be uploaded momentarily.
